The Morality of Prostitution

[Hargow20]

Is prostitution a greater sin than adultery....?

Personally I have always believed that paying for sex and adultery are the same. The difference is that we get type of girl we want regardless of our age.

[RediMax42]

The Chinese seem to have taken over in many cities, and their operation is decidedly different that what the Koreans do/did. The Chinese providers are illegal, uneducated, and for the most part debt indentured. They are constantly moved from city to city. Drugs, alcohol and other bad habits are not tolerated. They live in an apartment with the rest of the providers, and there is no outside life…or hope of one.

But oh yes, they are quite happy w/ the money they make during their “tour.”

This issue has been covered before in various places here. Most AMPs are manned by Koreans although there are some other countries that have some. Some of us have been involved with these ladies, including managers and owners and we can tell you with no hesitation that at least insofar as the majority of AMPs owned and operated by Koreans there are no forced workers. The workers come and go as they please once they no longer want to work, and others leave because of conflicts with management/owner/other workers. They are there for one reason only - quick, fast, easy money. Most, unfortunately, have habits to feed. I've never met one in my many years with a drug problem but almost all are addicted to nicotine. A great many others are addicted to alcohol, gambling, or both. Some just have expensive tastes and like to buy top shelf merchandise from clothes to accessories to autos. The sad part of this is that most will go back to this quick easy money over and over again to feed their material desires until they are too old to do it anymore. Then, if they have been unsuccessful in finding a man to support them you will see them as managers, kitchen mamas, or custodians in the AMPs.

This is not to say there are no forced workers anywhere. Recently in Florida, a house with workers was busted with hispanic women and one man. The man ran it. The women were pretty much in servitude and it was located in a minority community with a large number of migrant workers. It does happen, and it should not happen.

The AMP business is difficult for newbies to understand because it is so different from the work ethic here but is accepted by the K girls. The house fee goes in almost every instance 100% to the house. The girls work only for tips. They must pay the owner a weekly amount for food. I know of one amp where the girls have to pay $350 per every week for food. Most single persons could survive on that amount for the greater part of the month, let alone a week. If there is a manager/kitchen mama, they girls must also pony up a certain amount every week for that person. It's usually in excess of $100 per girl per week. So the first 4 to 5 customers each week earn nothing for the girls.

This is the way it works and this is the way they all accept it. In the right locations, the girls can still knock down a thousand and more a week.

Most of us would agree that this is a business that is safe, discreet, and as clean as it can be with a few exceptions, and would benefit those working in the business as well as the participants to have some regulation. It would even benefit the state and local governments because they would get their cut too. However, there is an element that thinks that sex anyplace other than in the bedroom or in any other way than missionary, and in a not so frequent time period is the only acceptable way to have sex. Those who believe this are vocal and active so it's doubtful that any regulated AMPS will exist anywhere now or in the future.

An added plus for everyone is that in the places I've been, and there've been many, I've never seen a bad element in the neighborhood, I've never seen a drug problem related to or around the AMPs, and they do not interfere with the surrounding businesses or neighborhoods.

[Sexmoron]

I just finished watching a show on CNBC called "Dirty Money - High End Prostitution". It made a big distinction between women who market theirselves for thousands of dollars instead of the $200 or $300 requested by callgirls say on Eros.

The very last segment of the show discussed legalization. It talked about the young educated girls who are kidnapped or recruited/exploited on the street level, arguing that legalizing prostitution would make these people more at risk. But then they focused on the wealthier, educated women who feel that a distinction should be made so that high-end prostitution could be made legal.

This was a woah!! moment for me. I can imagine if they had their way this would be just fine for all illustrious Congressman. This way they wouldn't have to fear exposure while they went ahead and created laws that enforced a double standard within the entire society. The basic lesson: If you have money anything at all is just fine. But if you don't have money then you are essentially a second class citizen.

Did anyone else see this and feel the same way?

Just had to say...

[Hector54]

This issue has been covered before in various places here. Most AMPs are manned by Koreans although there are some other countries that have some. Some of us have been involved with these ladies, including managers and owners and we can tell you with no hesitation that at least insofar as the majority of AMPs owned and operated by Koreans there are no forced workers. The workers come and go as they please once they no longer want to work, and others leave because of conflicts with management/owner/other workers. They are there for one reason only - quick, fast, easy money. Most, unfortunately, have habits to feed. I've never met one in my many years with a drug problem but almost all are addicted to nicotine. A great many others are addicted to alcohol, gambling, or both. Some just have expensive tastes and like to buy top shelf merchandise from clothes to accessories to autos. The sad part of this is that most will go back to this quick easy money over and over again to feed their material desires until they are too old to do it anymore. Then, if they have been unsuccessful in finding a man to support them you will see them as managers, kitchen mamas, or custodians in the AMPs.

This is not to say there are no forced workers anywhere. Recently in Florida, a house with workers was busted with hispanic women and one man. The man ran it. The women were pretty much in servitude and it was located in a minority community with a large number of migrant workers. It does happen, and it should not happen.

The AMP business is difficult for newbies to understand because it is so different from the work ethic here but is accepted by the K girls. The house fee goes in almost every instance 100% to the house. The girls work only for tips. They must pay the owner a weekly amount for food. I know of one amp where the girls have to pay $350 per every week for food. Most single persons could survive on that amount for the greater part of the month, let alone a week. If there is a manager/kitchen mama, they girls must also pony up a certain amount every week for that person. It's usually in excess of $100 per girl per week. So the first 4 to 5 customers each week earn nothing for the girls.

This is the way it works and this is the way they all accept it. In the right locations, the girls can still knock down a thousand and more a week.

Most of us would agree that this is a business that is safe, discreet, and as clean as it can be with a few exceptions, and would benefit those working in the business as well as the participants to have some regulation. It would even benefit the state and local governments because they would get their cut too. However, there is an element that thinks that sex anyplace other than in the bedroom or in any other way than missionary, and in a not so frequent time period is the only acceptable way to have sex. Those who believe this are vocal and active so it's doubtful that any regulated AMPS will exist anywhere now or in the future.

An added plus for everyone is that in the places I've been, and there've been many, I've never seen a bad element in the neighborhood, I've never seen a drug problem related to or around the AMPs, and they do not interfere with the surrounding businesses or neighborhoods.

Excellent post. I think the reason it will always be illegal along with drugs is that it gives the politicians and law enforcement something to keep them busy on instead of trying to actually fix the real problems that are wrong with the country.

[King Vik]

Wow, thats way out of my league. But, of course, I'm only a "regular" member.

I have a theory. EACH ONE of these preachy, better than thou politicians who go after others for victimless crimes have a little boy locked up in their closet. (BOTH dems AND repugs!)

BTW, I can understand that he may have broken local laws but why are los federales involved in this?

KV

[Bill Bradsky]

Who knew? You go girls!

[Mac Jones]

Thanks for the background Irish. Always at least 2 sides to the story.

[IrishMale]

Station emmm essss ennnn beee seee just did a spiel on the sex trafficking and slavery of many women who work in AMPs, strip clubs, etc.. Pretty bad stuff. Some of the ladies were lured to the US from the Ukraine to go to school and then told they had to pay back some 25k, kept as prostitutes for years under fear of their family at home being harmed or worse. AMPs with fake walls and girls kept in tiny illegal living areas. It was sad to see and I expect increased to see increased outrage about it.

I wonder if legalizing and "regulating" prostitution wouldn't help the situation by adding health checkups, inspections, etc.?

This issue has been covered before in various places here. Most AMPs are manned by Koreans although there are some other countries that have some. Some of us have been involved with these ladies, including managers and owners and we can tell you with no hesitation that at least insofar as the majority of AMPs owned and operated by Koreans there are no forced workers. The workers come and go as they please once they no longer want to work, and others leave because of conflicts with management/owner/other workers. They are there for one reason only - quick, fast, easy money. Most, unfortunately, have habits to feed. I've never met one in my many years with a drug problem but almost all are addicted to nicotine. A great many others are addicted to alcohol, gambling, or both. Some just have expensive tastes and like to buy top shelf merchandise from clothes to accessories to autos. The sad part of this is that most will go back to this quick easy money over and over again to feed their material desires until they are too old to do it anymore. Then, if they have been unsuccessful in finding a man to support them you will see them as managers, kitchen mamas, or custodians in the AMPs.

This is not to say there are no forced workers anywhere. Recently in Florida, a house with workers was busted with hispanic women and one man. The man ran it. The women were pretty much in servitude and it was located in a minority community with a large number of migrant workers. It does happen, and it should not happen.

The AMP business is difficult for newbies to understand because it is so different from the work ethic here but is accepted by the K girls. The house fee goes in almost every instance 100% to the house. The girls work only for tips. They must pay the owner a weekly amount for food. I know of one amp where the girls have to pay $350 per every week for food. Most single persons could survive on that amount for the greater part of the month, let alone a week. If there is a manager/kitchen mama, they girls must also pony up a certain amount every week for that person. It's usually in excess of $100 per girl per week. So the first 4 to 5 customers each week earn nothing for the girls.

This is the way it works and this is the way they all accept it. In the right locations, the girls can still knock down a thousand and more a week.

Most of us would agree that this is a business that is safe, discreet, and as clean as it can be with a few exceptions, and would benefit those working in the business as well as the participants to have some regulation. It would even benefit the state and local governments because they would get their cut too. However, there is an element that thinks that sex anyplace other than in the bedroom or in any other way than missionary, and in a not so frequent time period is the only acceptable way to have sex. Those who believe this are vocal and active so it's doubtful that any regulated AMPS will exist anywhere now or in the future.

An added plus for everyone is that in the places I've been, and there've been many, I've never seen a bad element in the neighborhood, I've never seen a drug problem related to or around the AMPs, and they do not interfere with the surrounding businesses or neighborhoods.

[Mac Jones]

Station emmm essss ennnn beee seee just did a spiel on the sex trafficking and slavery of many women who work in AMPs, strip clubs, etc.. Pretty bad stuff. Some of the ladies were lured to the US from the Ukraine to go to school and then told they had to pay back some 25k, kept as prostitutes for years under fear of their family at home being harmed or worse. AMPs with fake walls and girls kept in tiny illegal living areas. It was sad to see and I expect increased to see increased outrage about it.

Like organized pimping on a huge scale.

I wonder if legalizing and "regulating" prostitution wouldn't help the situation by adding health checkups, inspections, etc.?

[Acaryu]

I think prostitution should be legal. Look at the religious conservatives. There are thousands of cases of church workers molesting kids for years. Have you seen any of them going to jail? I haven't. The church pays people off. If we are so religious, we should have a law that says there is no deal for child molesters. The only deal is life in prison or the death penalty.

We spend so much energy to catch escorts, hookers etc but we are letting religious child molesters go. What a screw up country we are living in.

Let's buy an island some place. Everybody living in it must be tested for STD before any is allowed on the island. Prostitution, gambling, strip bars, streetwalkers etc should be all legal. No violence is allowed. All these should be part of the constitution. Women should be respected. No pimping or sex slaves. No strong drugs. Weeds and cigarettes should be allowed. Alcohol should be allowed. People are allowed to stay together as a couple if they want, but there is no marriage required. People are allowed to come and go in a relationship. Can you imagine how popular this island will be? Tax on gambling and sex will be used to provide universal health care and social security for the whole population. There will be no other taxes.

[Dawna]

Hey, I'm one of those spa workers. I just started. And I loooove it. And it IS making me feel more "hot". I wish that America would legalize these things. I don't see the harm. And it's great money! LOL

Dawna

[When In Vegas]

Interesting that for some their self esteem is enhanced. Amazing what effect legalizing something has.

Good report

What girls want. 92% said "the good money". All along, I thought it was love.

http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/AustraliaStudy.html

[Bill Bradsky]

What girls want. 92% said "the good money". All along, I thought it was love.

http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/AustraliaStudy.html

[Ian Dokkaebi]

There are many aspects of this hobby that I believe, as hobbyists, we should explore. Some often argue that, as hobbyists, we should pay regards only to the provider’s name and location. I would disagree largely because we, as true hobbyists, must attempt to understand the framework and factors that shape this subculture, at least factors that have the potential to affect it. Well, that‘s true in my case, as I strive to analyze factors pertinent to any of my interests. Maybe, I just have a lot of free time.

If we were to view the prostitution issue through historical lenses, we can easily conclude that this "crime" has been largely outlawed by the Christian principles that swept throughout the USA In the early 1900s.

Prostitution was legal for the better part of USA History. According to Wikipedia, prostitution was prevalent during the American Revolution as some of the women in the American Revolution, who followed the Continental Army, served the soldiers and officers as sexual partners. The term "red-light district" was derived from the practice of placing a red light in the window to indicating to customers the available services. (A couple of "fun facts", you are free to use them at your next social gathering.)

On January 25, 1917, the anti-prostitution drive in San Francisco attracts huge crowds, upward 30,000 individuals, to public meetings. In a conference with Rev. Paul Smith, an outspoken foe of prostitution, 300 workers make a plea for toleration citing poor economic conditions as the primary motivation. When Smith asked if they would take other work at $8 to $10 a week, the ladies laughed sarcastically, which lost them public sympathy. The police close about 200 houses of prostitution immediately thereafter.

In general, I welcome the views and accept many positive benefits that developed from organize religion. However, there exist a few selected extremists hell-bent on infecting the remaining population with their rhetoric and idealism. It’s absolutely deplorable for them to use their influence to shape the world through their conservative eyes. Religious leaders must realize that forcing a person to conform to their rhetoric does not mean that they will accept it, as demonstrated by the recent sexual scandals involving many religious figures.

Like many of you, I often question why Government does not regulate this occupational group, instead of wasting our money and their efforts in enforcing this ridiculous law, while allowing other crimes to freely flow throughout our streets and all branches of Government.

Government regulation will change our hobby in many respects. On the positive side, we will have better selection, safety and peace of mind is ensured for the workers, and the potential income generated by taxation, among other things. However, the cost of regulation will be passed to the customers. That means we will need to pay more for services. How much more will require some study based on the 10 out of 17 counties in Nevada that have chosen to legalize prostitution.

In that respect, I often wonder why the workers of this industry do not form a lobbying group to represent their interests and defend themselves against deformation. They should start with the representatives and senators recently unveiled as patrons. For the entrepreneurs out there, this is a new market waiting to be exploited.

Many of you are absolutely correct regarding the often stricter sentences of public opinions. Nonetheless, that is exactly the prosecution’s intent, driven by religious idealization. They think the act of humiliating and destroying some lives will discourage the remaining from participating in this hobby.

This is the modern day version of being tarred and feathered. It did not work then, and I am certain it will not work now. In general, these deterrents have little effects in curtailing our habits, much like capital punishment. In Texas, they instituted an "express lane" for people on death row.

Nonetheless, prosecution may be successful in discouraging patronage to a particular location by destroying many lives in the process. Customers simply move their business elsewhere, as the rampant availability in our region continues to grow.

Much like the war on drugs, the Government and the extremists cannot win this war on prostitution. As long as there is a strong demand and available supply, it will take an act of God to keep the two segments from intersecting. We must make some effort to regulate this industry to protect the interests of both the workers and customers. While I am not a psychologist, I would think sexual gratification contributes greatly to our overall psychological health.

By restricting access to this industry, these religious devotees are depriving a portion of the population from their psychological well being. If one were to be born with or have accidents where our physical appearance limits our ability to meet our sexual needs, at least for an hour or so, we can have such needs satisfied. The confidence, however, often lasts much longer thus improving our ability to live our lives better and perform our job better.

Incidentally, by maintaining the illegal nature of drugs and prostitution, these religious zealots further promote its notoriety. By keeping it in a locked box, it stimulates the sense of curiosity inherent in some of us and one may experience greater pleasure not only from perform the act, but the realization that they are breaking the law. That realization, by itself, is a separate high for some.

Why should we spend our limited resources educating the negative effects of a certain product while keeping it from our grasp? As I recall from Sunday school, God attempted something similar with Adam and Eve, but results were not too overwhelmingly positive. I pray every day that these religious "revolutionaries" apply, or at least learn from, what they preach.

We live in a technological world with countless feats of scientific advancements, while the laws that govern such advancement, rather the people that make the laws, have yet to advanced from the dark ages.

America was founded on many revolutionary ideas, and among them liberty (the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will, as long as it does not intrude on others’ rights). The time has long since passed for us to move beyond the religious fallacies and shape the national policy based on the dynamics of society, rather than conforming our society to the views of a few religious fanatics.

Ian

[Gorilla69]

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?...&article=47208