LA J-Girls

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I honestly never thought of it this way. I've admittedly stayed away from c-orgs because they're typically more deceitful than k-orgs, at least imo. Way more B&S, pics are grossly inaccurate, and k-girls in general have superior service / looks combo -- again, at least imo. I'm a fan of j-girls in general and I'll entertain an occasional LA j-girl visit to keep things interesting, but I've always had a strong impression that the value proposition for j-girls in LA was somewhat weak because of the lack of service & poor attitude compared to the k-girl service queens. The premium pricing of LA j-girls was a huge deterring factor for me, knowing that I can have much better experiences in Japan at most brothel types depending on what I'm looking for.

A so-called "high end" soapland in Japan usually gives you a girl with S / A-tier looks and service for 120 minutes at a price of 60,000 yen

Yes, I see the various issues you brought up. My advice to find value is the same between corgs and korgs - if you filter it out to the top 25% of girls the value is there. In my Value Rating guide I show how high tier girls are typically 20 points compared to the average 10 point kgirl. This week I'll even publish a new roster for OC listing more example ratings, but most of them are no surprise like CAKD Mali (28 points) or FA Isabella (29 but GFE) being high value. The two girls are high looks, high service, super cheap. But they're the exceptions, the bottom 75% at korgs average 8 points in Value. It is a Dark Minefield.

The Dark Minefield
I've known many looks first people who did a pilgrimage of recommended girls based on rosters. Since they carefully chose girls that were a good match, they had a lot of fun and it was just one success after another. But when that list ran out and they started seeing girls blind, it was much harder. It is a Dark Minefield. For that reason, please review.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...40#post7423340 Value Rating formula

The same "top 25%" goal applies to corgs. When I door knock and find the better girls, I am getting good value jgirls. The trick is no matter how attractive other guys agree a girl is, if a girl is your type then she's your type. Nothing else matters! That is where door knocking truly shines, and if you are a jgirl Hunter you do it at MH. Even Japan won't let me do this for most shops. The key is to be willing to door knock a lot. I will typically peek 2-4 girls. Some cgirl hunters will peek 4-5 every time. If you are a regular, that is the way. It is also why girl quality gradually improves, from us browsing.

Premium jgirls
With the JAV ad girls, I could tell the girl was my type so it followed the top 25% rule. Since I mainly see jgirls (cgirl pricing is wild), the most I paid was 600/hr. The girl was high S-Tier. I tell myself I got lucky, except that I could have walked if she weren't. Among cgirls both of them were 500/hr. One was high A-Tier with an S face, the other was low B-Tier. It's why I say young cgirls have an added 25% premium compared to jgirls and kgirls. But I've also said premium girls were not busy and always fresh, which I and a few guys are fine paying but we can't recommend it to budget guys. They wouldn't see the value.

Since I prefer jgirls, it makes sense I prefer premium jgirls to premium kgirls. I wouldn't assume a kgirl lover would agree though.

I walked into MH Yan Jia expecting a B-Tier girl with an interesting body based on her JAV. I was going to see her "for variety". She has unique proportions and I wanted to try a taller meaty girl. But she lost a ton of weight since JAV days and looked A-Tier. On top of that, her service and attitude were really good. A Service with an S attitude. But with the intel I used to go see her, I knew she'd be my type anyways worst-case. And because I went to see Yan Jia, I peeked at the other girls and found MH Juliya was a unicorn people should know about. So door knocking causes intel to lead to more intel. It gives me a second chance to walk in to MH with intel or help a friend.

I had the same impression of corgs as you before, due to my experiences with corgs in Japan over 20 years ago. A lot of B+S on ads, and even today most cgirl ads are fake. But they are fake for privacy first. Cgirl MH Malina for example has 1 real ad and the other ads at least gave an accurate idea of a tall skinny beauty. She had no tits which was main inaccuracy, but lucky me I hardly care since her face is so nice. Her ad was more accurate than the average kgirl ad (I would not expect this in general though). Korg ads aren't that accurate but it's improving too. They are usually off by 1-3 tiers, meaning a D-Tier kgirl will usually use an A-Tier ad. The root of the problem is korgs are filled with MILFs and there is no other way to market them even though looks are not the reason most people see them. MILFs are worth seeing for service guys, absolutely.

Many jgirls had weak service or attitude, and sometimes the problem is korgs will take them in without a good way to check that aspect. THe reason for low service jgirls is the huge influx of the civvie amateurs just starting out, instead of the fewer pros who had built-up experience working Japan or elsewhere. The jgirl pros are very good, a few unicorns at S level service. Now if a jgirl is super hot, sure we don't mind the skills as much. But there were jgirls who did not even make that cut on skills or attitude. But I've seen the same with newer kgirls too, the difference is they get cut or not invited to come back. This is a key distinction - kgirl duds get identified by customer feedback and no other korg wants them because of friendly word of mouth between korgs. Jgirl duds have a special way of hopping shops anyways and bypassing that. But that feedback system too is improving gradually.

Yes, there are high end soaps where you get 120 minutes and bb included. I've met touring jgirls who used to work them, and they marveled that they had to offer bb even though it was "only 80,000 yen" ($518) which would be a super-premium girl in Japan. Only the richest locals and tourists go for 80k and up (there is no limit to luxury pricing), but in her words her take was just under half and it was for 2 hours. So she quit. She was netting less than $120/hr for bb (due to the shop taking the rest), when in the US she'd get 3x to 4x as much with a lower shop cut. It is a complicated comparison since in the US it's an optional upcharge but the point stands even with cfs. Her net on cfs in the US was 270/hr versus 120/hr bb in Japan. With bb, she nets 100% of the tip so it ends up 470/hr or 4x. Most jgirls conider bb risky, so it is hard to convince them to go the korg route of high volume. The same is obviously true of even kgirls, but due to the emphasis on it the girls who show up are those who tend to agree with the volume approach.

About browsing or door knocking, in Japan there were only a few times I could pick a girl by door knocking / browsing. One was Koganecho (now demonlished), which is similar to Tobita and you see girls in glass rooms like Amsterdam. I also did this in Korea before they demolished them all. Another option was at korgs in Japan where they bring out every girl available and you just hang out with them in the living room, chatting or watching TV. 80% of the korg girls in Japan were young, they were HYA. And finally, there was Ichigo Melon where they have three young jgirls blow you one after the other and then you pick her:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...on#post7179951 Ichigo Melon (bottom of post)

At Ichigo Melon, I went with the "kidnapped schoolgirl" scenario* where 2-3 jgirls are locked in a room with me and I can do what I want with them (no penetration) and pick the one I liked. I was brand new so too nervous to actually harass them and tried to directly pick her but she told me no, I had to harass first during that phase.

* All schoolgirls are 20 years and over, no schoolgirl was harmed by Download X

Now that I think about it, the girl I picked strongly resembled Baby Naye in body and type (same idea as Baby Nia).

[Majieroero]

Corgs have the advantage on cheaper hh rates, korgs have cheaper hr rates. I do like being able to knock doors with corgs and that has saved me a ton of money compared to korgs where my only choice is to full cancel and walk. Since I specifically prefer jgirls, that makes MH a good target with 2-4 options typically. Korgs also have a big advantage on bb rates, keeping them at 100. The average bb at corgs I've seen is 200 (75%), sometimes more sometimes less.

I honestly never thought of it this way. I've admittedly stayed away from c-orgs because they're typically more deceitful than k-orgs, at least imo. Way more B&S, pics are grossly inaccurate, and k-girls in general have superior service / looks combo -- again, at least imo. I'm a fan of j-girls in general and I'll entertain an occasional LA j-girl visit to keep things interesting, but I've always had a strong impression that the value proposition for j-girls in LA was somewhat weak because of the lack of service & poor attitude compared to the k-girl service queens. The premium pricing of LA j-girls was a huge deterring factor for me, knowing that I can have much better experiences in Japan at most brothel types depending on what I'm looking for.

A so-called "high end" soapland in Japan usually gives you a girl with S / A-tier looks and service for 120 minutes at a price of 60,000 yen (roughly $400 in today's conversion rate). If you know where to go, you can also get BBFS for the same price. MSOG is guaranteed and encouraged. The girls are trained to suck you dry by the end of that 120 minutes. Not to mention the special attractions with nuru, bath and mat plays, and any specialty service that the girl might offer. The value proposition is undeniable when you compare it to MH charging $800 to $1000 for a far lesser of an experience with an inferior girl. The soapland value is definitely a bang for your buck, even when compared to the normal LA k-girl experience because of the cost difference. The big downside to soapland is the foreigner tax that most LA natives will probably have to pay, which I totally understand. I only luck out because Japanese is one of my native tongue, and I can pass as a Japan native.

That all said, I wish LA had a similar valued experience to these soaplands. 120 minutes of high level service from a premium j-girl for $400, even $500, would be a killer experience.

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Just putting the word out there that kgirl agency Gfriends (previously K Town Fans) has an all J-girl roster. Most of these girls also cross with other LA bookers, but Gfriends seems to be exclusively J girls this week, even more than MH for roughly the same prices.

I'm verified with them, I'll probably visit this weekend. With prices being comparable with MH, the biggest con is finding parking at their locations.

For those interested, Gfriends lists Nene J, Baby Hana J, Baby Nia J, Tomomi J, Ria J, Yui J. Other bookers can book these girls too, but it is nice to "go to the source" and support them directly if you are a true fan. Some girls are listed under different names with other bookers, for example Ria J is also Yaya. This may help in looking up reviews too. Example reviews:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7421707 Yaya
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7432132 Nia J
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7432356 Yui J

To a jgirl lover, each jgirl is very different. They are almost all young, so I think of jgirl HYA like kgirl HYA in terms of looks and service. It's all over the place for both. The very highest service girls were both jgirls by chance, but they were unicorns. I've tried several kgirl service queens who are not far behind. I've explained this before, but basically a few jgirls are pros who have done this more than even the kgirls. But many other jgirls are total amateur civilians, and then there are all the girls in-between. So you have two extremes of high service and low service both. When I compare jgirl young girls to kgirl young girls, the service level is about the same. My two worst service experiences were both kgirls. When it comes to average service, thai girls are a level higher - but mainly because they have few true duds.

Corgs have the advantage on cheaper hh rates, korgs have cheaper hr rates. I do like being able to knock doors with corgs and that has saved me a ton of money compared to korgs where my only choice is to full cancel and walk. Since I specifically prefer jgirls, that makes MH a good target with 2-4 options typically. Korgs also have a big advantage on bb rates, keeping them at 100. The average bb at corgs I've seen is 200 (75%), sometimes more sometimes less.

MH will have exclusive jgirls or jgirls that only work corgs, including some premium jgirls I happily repeated. They had some true unicorns. I even consider cgirl MH Malina to be a kind of unicorn for me since she was my type. And the only reason I even chanced upon her was I knocked on her door in case someone else might be interested, after I had finished seeing a jgirl. But when I saw her face, I was stunned and couldn't leave. I just couldn't walk away from such a chance. She was actually priced cheaper at MH than other corgs, since MH is a jgirl house so to speak.

I'm going to pull out the S-Tier looks jgirls and list what type of shop they are from. MH Yua (corg), MH Nina (corg), Gingira Nanase (Japan DH), BB Asuka (corg), MH Cherry (corg). If the kind of jgirls I like showed up at korgs, I'd see them there a lot more of course. My taste is not someone else's taste, but I know what I like so that's why I don't consider the two sources of jgirls the same. If someone else were lucky to have the opposite experience, then of course they would mainly use korgs.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7426841 Corg tips 1
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7427535 Corg tips 2

[DashingD]

Just putting the word out there that kgirl agency Gfriends (previously K Town Fans) has an all J-girl roster. Most of these girls also cross with other LA bookers, but Gfriends seems to be exclusively J girls this week, even more than MH for roughly the same prices.

I'm verified with them, I'll probably visit this weekend. With prices being comparable with MH, the biggest con is finding parking at their locations.

If you hit up Hanna can you report back? Much appreciated sir.

[Senexiratus]

Just putting the word out there that kgirl agency Gfriends (previously K Town Fans) has an all J-girl roster. Most of these girls also cross with other LA bookers, but Gfriends seems to be exclusively J girls this week, even more than MH for roughly the same prices.

I'm verified with them, I'll probably visit this weekend. With prices being comparable with MH, the biggest con is finding parking at their locations.

[DashingD]

11/01 #1 Momo at MH.

Ads show of jav star Suzukaze Ui, it is not her!

Can clearly tell from nose and lips and not even the same body type.

I was disappointed as MH usually accurate with jgirl ads.

Whatever after first glance I knew it wasnt her but I was there and decided to try her out and boy was that a mistake.

From start she was trying to waste as much time as possible taking clothes off and showering. Then came to the bbj in which she just put it in her mouth with no real movement. She is young but with her demeanor and lack of service I would see other girls. Only thing she had going for her was she had some booty. I don't really care for service, but this was an all time low.

Brother you saved me, I appreciate you toftt here 10 fold. I been lusting after her all weekend and was going to take the plunge thinking it was the jav star Ui Suzukaze.

Disappointed she is not but my wallet will be hsppy.

[Undftd88]

11/01 #1 Momo at MH.

Ads show of jav star Suzukaze Ui, it is not her!

Can clearly tell from nose and lips and not even the same body type.

I was disappointed as MH usually accurate with jgirl ads.

Whatever after first glance I knew it wasnt her but I was there and decided to try her out and boy was that a mistake.

From start she was trying to waste as much time as possible taking clothes off and showering. Then came to the bbj in which she just put it in her mouth with no real movement. She is young but with her demeanor and lack of service I would see other girls. Only thing she had going for her was she had some booty. I don't really care for service, but this was an all time low.

Thanks for reporting and helping us dodge a grenade. Was about to check her out tomorrow.

[Download X]

11/01 #1 Momo at MH.

Ads show of jav star Suzukaze Ui, it is not her!

Can clearly tell from nose and lips and not even the same body type.

I was disappointed as MH usually accurate with jgirl ads.

Yes, MH No1 is not the JAV star. MH No3 from last week is still around on their website. She is attractive but when a girl is past schedule it might be just a placeholder and she is no longer there. A few popular girls were allowed to overstay when we wouldn't stop booking them.

In the past the JAV stars were usually the girl (75%), even if years may have passed. In Yan Jia's case she lost a ton of weight but it was her and she looked much better than JAV days. I really would not have thought it was her except I knew her JAV well enough to notice the clues. For this reason, it would be impossible for the booker to truly verify either. This is exactly the same problem with kgirl ads btw, girls submit ad photos and bookers are not in a position to compare them with the girl. A third person might advise on ad photos, but that's about it. Privacy is a factor in fake ads, a few girls look better than their ads.

With this data example, we can see how it is somewhere like 75% the JAV girl. Even when I know it really is the girl from intel, I still don't assume I'll pick her. At the door, take about 5-10 seconds to evaluate her - if I'm not sure I don't even step in. For example Yan Jia looked better than her JAV days, but if she had looked significantly worse I might have checked another door. I have more than once checked another girl and came straight back to the first girl even (this was not my plan). Note that depending on the time of day and business, I can peek between 1 to 4 girls so there is not always another choice. I would not rely on this unless you communicate beforehand and/or are willing to wait.

Body Types
Suzukaze Ui has the same 'Model TOAS' body type as MH Nina, except Nina had a whiter body with bigger and better tits. Also a better face, but Nina was a pre-MILF beauty whereas Suzukaze is young but plastic. Not bad but really up to taste. You could be an optimist like me and reason that a girl who does significant face surgery "probably needed it", so even if you don't like the after results maybe it's still an improvement!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNUiIe1yf3R 'Model TOAS' aka PWTM Body type
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7400862 MH Nina with body guide
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7402051 MH Nina aka YZ No4

MH Nina had an uncanny resemblance to Sakura, and when I told her that she immediately replied she was often told the same thing. It was wild since I had just seen the real Sakura over a week earlier and somehow on a toftt visit her lookalike opened the door. Only when the clothes came off she was massive D / DD tits and very skinny white body. I'll attach peak Sakura and Kazuha, both are fully supportive of video so film them with pride.

If the average guy saw only face, they'd pick Sakura. But Sakura is "just skinny" with A / B tits. Once the clothes drop, even HYA Hunters would probably pick MH Nina. She is the only pre-MILF I list on S-Tier.

First photo attached is Model TOAS body, which is the most superior type of TOAS to me. Model meaning perfectly proportioned everywhere else. The best ones are D or DD cup like MH Nina. I used to think such girls were rare unicorns until I started seeing them one after the other suddenly. MH Cherry had this body type but a bit more exaggerated, while MH Nina had the best so far. So I am hoping new data will answer this question because there are a few jgirls with this body including Suzukaze Ui and Momonagi Kana. In any case, I volunteer to collect more data with my own body but it will take a while.

[ShyBoy73]

11/01 #1 Momo at MH.

Ads show of jav star Suzukaze Ui, it is not her!

Can clearly tell from nose and lips and not even the same body type.

I was disappointed as MH usually accurate with jgirl ads.

Whatever after first glance I knew it wasnt her but I was there and decided to try her out and boy was that a mistake.

From start she was trying to waste as much time as possible taking clothes off and showering. Then came to the bbj in which she just put it in her mouth with no real movement. She is young but with her demeanor and lack of service I would see other girls. Only thing she had going for her was she had some booty. I don't really care for service, but this was an all time low.

[Black Angel 99]

Do you mean the face is similar, or the body? Or both? The girl in the vid has a nice body but kinda banged up face. Wondering if B. Nia is the same.

Yaya is great, maybe the best at the moment, but I've seen her a few times already and looking for something new. The only slight negative about Yaya is that she does tend to be a little mechanical, but I don't blame her, she must be busy!

As I said before, B. Nia's face is okay to me, but many might not find her beautiful. Her face is the least of her qualities. If you prioritize face over body, skip her. If you liked the girl's body in the video and don't care about her face, go watch B. Nia.

[Optional]

Wowwwww, perfect. If you want a girl like the one in the video, it's B. Nia.

Do you mean the face is similar, or the body? Or both? The girl in the vid has a nice body but kinda banged up face. Wondering if B. Nia is the same.

Yaya is great, maybe the best at the moment, but I've seen her a few times already and looking for something new. The only slight negative about Yaya is that she does tend to be a little mechanical, but I don't blame her, she must be busy!

[Black Angel 99]

So would you say that she looked similar to FC2-PPV-4576419?

Wowwwww, perfect. If you want a girl like the one in the video, it's B. Nia.

[BobLove]

Fake pics, which is rare for J girls. More like GND appearance. No tattoos and doesn't appear to be a rebrand. Good service and didn't require lube. Easy CIP.

[Optional]

Ha ha! Yeah, Nali is the only HYA I can think of who falls into that category. Another path some guys use to get longer appointments (as you already know well) is to book the final appointment of the night. For guys who don't know: If the girl likes you, she may keep you longer. 20 to 30 minutes over time is common. If she likes you A LOT, 45 minutes to an hour, or more, is possible.

That's also a very good way to find out if she likes you as more than just a customer. It happens more often with MILFs, of course, but even the HYAs will do it if they are enjoying their time with you and they don't want you to leave immediately.

Conversely, if you book her final appointment of the night and she NEVER keeps you over time, then it's a good bet she doesn't see you as anything more than a random customer.

It is a litmus test of the hobby world!

That's a good idea, but the problem with being the last customer of the night is that you get the girl in her most tired state, especially if it had been a busy day for her. And even though it's obvious, I can't help but think how many BBFS she's had before me that day, LOL. Especially when i'm DATY. One reason why I generally only do GFE for the most part.

I usually try to be the first customer of the day, just to catch them when they are still fresh and energetic. But it's all psychological, and I know it.

[Ayasaki]

After some image searches, I managed to find some information about B. Nia aka Mikie / Hinowa from people in NY and the surrounding area. Based on that information, I expected something quite different from what I found, so it wasn't a good basis for comparison.

So would you say that she looked similar to FC2-PPV-4576419?