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[BrainLara]

The point is AMPs have not raised prices in the same inexplicable way as the orgs. Sure, there is some inflation but it is mostly just greed.

For some trivia, SDAG and FEC were both 260 hr in 2014. I think MSOG was 20. In 2021, SDAG was STILL 260 hr! But many things changed in recent years. There are a lot of different reasons for this, but the reasons don't matter.

[DRaj123]

For some trivia, SDAG and FEC were both 260 hr in 2014. I think MSOG was 20. In 2021, SDAG was STILL 260 hr! But many things changed in recent years. There are a lot of different reasons for this, but the reasons don't matter.

The only thing that improves things are reviews. Basically, I identify the above average girls (let's say the top 25%) and only see them repeatedly. To me, that more than compensates the price increase. I feel like I'm getting better value than ever thanks to all the review bros.

In some cities, the hotter girls are charging 400 hr and 500 hr in some cities. The exact same girl when she comes to SD becomes a 300 hr girl! She was shocked at the price drop and even considered quitting. The only redeeming thing was SD wasn't full of assholes like the cities where she could charge more. So she was cool with it in hindsight.

Thank you for the write up.

Really much appreciated 👏.

I spoke with my wallet and stopped seeing Korg girls.

I am not into bb and don't want to pay these fees.

I am established in hx and member of many clubs.

There are much better independent girls out there.

[Download X]

-SDAG went from 280 w / msog to 300 w / msog to 350 w / msog.

-FEC now considers 300 hr a special donation.

They all feel the need to raise prices to attract ladies, but if they are all slow, who really wins? Also, things are slow everywhere (even at AMPs), as people cut back on discretionary spending. Lastly, SD has a super strong AMP scene. 200 OTD for 30 m CFS is hard to beat esp. without the hassle of screening. I think the orgs are refusing to adapt.

For some trivia, SDAG and FEC were both 260 hr in 2014. I think MSOG was 20. In 2021, SDAG was STILL 260 hr! But many things changed in recent years. There are a lot of different reasons for this, but the reasons don't matter.

The only thing that improves things are reviews. Basically, I identify the above average girls (let's say the top 25%) and only see them repeatedly. To me, that more than compensates the price increase. I feel like I'm getting better value than ever thanks to all the review bros.

In some cities, the hotter girls are charging 400 hr and 500 hr in some cities. The exact same girl when she comes to SD becomes a 300 hr girl! She was shocked at the price drop and even considered quitting. The only redeeming thing was SD wasn't full of assholes like the cities where she could charge more. So she was cool with it in hindsight.

001 Condoms
About saving money, I have two final tips. Attached are Sagami 001 and Okamoto 001 box photos. If you buy off of Ebay, the Sagamis cost me $2.30 each and the Okamotos cost me $3.50 each. Both are excellent. They are .01 mm thick, durable, good heat and texture transfer. But if you are a big guy, make sure to get the L size. True magnums will be too big for the L. They take practice to roll on because they are so thin, so I would unroll 1-3 inches manually then slide it on then roll the rest down. 002s and 003s are also available in case you nut too fast with 001s.

001s feel about 75% close to bb compared to default US condoms, which are 5x to 7x as thick. 001 means it's 10 microns thick. The drawback is they are hard to put on, and you have to buy them online costing $2-$3 each. But with $100 bb it is $98 saved.

Thinner is not always better though. Younger guys want to use normal condoms because the 001 will make them nut too fast. Some people will even see bb special girls and start with a condom but finish without. I did this several times with consent to judge each condom objectively. Sometimes I could not tell I had a condom on, so the difference was psychological - just seeing the condom visually or knowing you can't CIP. Since one top kgirl is no CIP, that was not a disadvantage. It took slightly longer to nut with the 001 than bb, so some might consider it a plus.

I decided to make a guide because NYC friends are paying 100-200 for bb on top of 100-200 cip. Some jgirls are 400-500 hr. We can complain all we want about prices, but with these extreme examples now you know why prices have to rise or we won't even have any good girls.

I also use 001s on GFE only girls, and they loved it. It may be the greatest gift I ever gave some of them, the taste of the Dark Side.

Anyways it's $98 saved on a 100 bb girl, Katie K = $148 saved, Angel = $298 saved. Of course, with true ATFs I just pay the upcharge. Hope this helps someone.

FC2
The other way to save money is porn. For those who prefer it, I highly recommend FC2 and a tenga. You can even use 001 in combo with a tenga, and frankly that combo is better than 75% of kgirl pussy just without the compliments and vibe:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7095387 FC2 guide 1
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7096622 FC2 guide 2

Always use lubricant with a tenga, and then wash with mild soap and hang dry after.

Of course, if hot girls show up I always put these things away. If.

[BrainLara]

It would be a pity if any of these orgs fold, but here are some sobering facts:

-Lollygirls used to be 320+20. The off-shoot XOXO bumped that to 340+40.

-SKP et. al. 30 m rate used to be 280. Now it is 300.

-SDAG went from 280 w / msog to 300 w / msog to 350 w / msog.

-FEC now considers 300 hr a special donation.

They all feel the need to raise prices to attract ladies, but if they are all slow, who really wins? Also, things are slow everywhere (even at AMPs), as people cut back on discretionary spending. Lastly, SD has a super strong AMP scene. 200 OTD for 30 m CFS is hard to beat esp. without the hassle of screening. I think the orgs are refusing to adapt.

What is wrong with us K-Org mongers in San Diego!

We run the risk of losing two awesome K-Orgs here if we're not careful. XOXO and SKP (and affiliates) have struggled to keep awesome talent here, due to lack of interest. Dolly and Rosie were both incredible talents at SKP, but have left for greener pastures up north. Dolly was an absolutely incredible HYA, and bailed after only a week. Rosie wanted to stay here long term, but left because it was so slow here.
As it's been pointed out in the past, we speak with our wallets. And if we're not careful, we're going to lose two incredible K-Orgs and be back to the two original (SDAG & FEC).
Come on San Diego mongers, let's show some support. Otherwise we run the risk of losing our discounted k-org agencies

[Smllbybgcck]

Ohh Nelly. She is built to fuck. Really good dicksucker. She kept blowing me nice and sloppy. She can speak English pretty good too. Fun time. I needed to try this latina Nelly. I knew I seen her advertised at another agency. She is petite and has a good ass. Lots of tattoos so I knew she is horny. Much better than going all the way to TJ. Way better than most of the over rated latinas at the spas that only do CBJ.

[Smllbybgcck]

Xoxo Valentina is prettier in person. Saw some good reviews. Supposedly a super star from Bay Area. She was nice to me. She is about 5'5 and seemed young. Glad I saw her. Real sexy and did not rush me. There is also a small latina that was at another agency. Lots of talent.

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XOXO and SKP (and affiliates) have struggled to keep awesome talent here, due to lack of interest. Dolly and Rosie were both incredible talents at SKP, but have left for greener pastures up north. Dolly was an absolutely incredible HYA, and bailed after only a week. Rosie wanted to stay here long term, but left because it was so slow here.

People are seeing girls, but there is a lot of competition. I have no idea who Dolly and Rosie are, probably because they have so many names. Multiple names are a very bad idea. It prevents people from resarching a girl, it prevents people from reviewing a girl. Blue and CAKD occasionally do this too with the same result - I don't know who the girl is so I don't see her because I have ATFs lining up for me.

Unfortunately, the two girls were also here during a huge surge in top tier girls. Last week there were 5 S-Tier girls in Socal when there are normally just 0-2, a ton of A-Tier girls too. What I do is I see the S-Tier girls, then the A-Tier girls, then the B-Tier girls, then try a new girl. Katie K takes priority, so does Isabella.

There are availability problems. When I tried to book a new girl, 75% of the time the girl was not available. So I went back to my ATFs. Blue and CAKD have more consistent schedules, and they tell you start/stop dates on HX. If you look at the SKP website, it is incredibly hard to read. Right now, it lists an SD girl, an OC girl, an OC girl, an SD girl, an LA girl, an OC girl, and OC girl, and an OC girl. You have to read the entire list of 3 cities to determine there are 2 SD girls, and it is in a cursive font. SKP's website is unusable. Every single other korg splits girls by city.

We do periodically forward reviews for girls, particularly for Jenny, Allie, and Krissy since SD has many gatesmashers who review. Those girls earned good reviews and SKP would lose that if they don't stay in SD. More recently, Kay has a 3-letter name so I made sure LA was aware:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7347641 Kay

I know some reviewers who got 2 or 3 girls in a row they didn’t like, the girls were C-Tier at best. They were previously spoiled by some A-Tier girls like Purple K with beginner's luck, so when faced with C-Tier girls it was a shock. But the reality is C and D girls are the most commmon. What do people do when this happens? They quiet quit. They told me they went to other agencies after this streak.

I have said many times that Allie (A-A) and Krissy (B-A) were anomalies, and not to expect them. Note: In parenthesis the leteters are (Looks-Service), just my opinion. The moment SKP brings another Allie or Krissy, we're back.

The two Xoxo girls I liked the most were Haven (A-B) and Viki (B-A). Haven for looks, Viki for service and her amazing body. The three best girls SKP had were Allie, Krissy, and Jenny (B-A). But those were all a while ago. Blue’s best girls are right now - Isabella (S-B) having just left, Sammy (B-B) still here, and Kiko (A-A) is basically stuck in SD now by demand. CAKD has had many beautiful winners like Winter (A-A) and Nara (A-A), but those girls rotate by default even if they are popular. Unlike Blue, CAKD dosn't bring back popular girls right away. Blue does whenever they can.

It is hard for girls to compete against Isabella or Kiko, Nara or Winter. Even harder against Katie K. Girls are also always competing against amps. Most customers are milling the amps until a special girl shows up. People are nervous when a girl doesn't get any reviews. They stick to their ATFs.

The SKP trio (Allie, Krissy, Jenny) were success stories, they were rewarded with repeats and reviews. We were rewarded by extending Allie 25x as long as the typical tour. We also kept Krissy way longer than OC and LA combined by a longshot. We’re the winners there. Krissy had 28 reviews, mostly SD.

As for pricing, SKP and XOXO have great prices for bb, but have gradually been raising prices for 2 years. At those prices, I prioritize girls I already like because I no longer consider it cheap. Notice how Purple K and Tiana were 340 bb. HYA at 340 versus non-HYA at 340 is no contest. But HYA are rare, Boner puts them at 10%-15% of girls. I am soft and say 20% of girls. Everyone's opinion is welcome on this.

On a good day, Purple K and Minami were worth two girls. So people repeated them. People are not looking at price, they are looking at value. Katie K is a better value at 420 than 90% of 340 girls, so people repeat her too. I can't emphasize that enough, it is a lot of money and if the girl is great people are happy to hand over the money every time. They don't care which shop she is at btw.

It's all Katie K's fault. Lately people are getting S-Tier withdrawal symptoms and struggle to enjoy sessions with even B-Tier girls anymore, even though they were enjoying B-Tier girls just fine before. Just today I walked past a girl with an S-Tier body and didn't even care. I mean sure I scanned and saved her into my memory banks for a few seconds, but that was it. Civilian women have no power over me anymore, they are not good value.

There are a lot more reasons, it's complicated. But SD will rush to see certain types of girls, whether HYA or TOAS service girls.

In my experience the pictures are heavily P.S. Too and sometimes the descriptions can be inaccurate. Everyone's opinions are different but notice a lot of inflated reviews on sites like TER. I'll partake if reviews are mostly positive. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but yeah hard to justify sometimes.

Yes, I never even look at ad photos when making a decision. Not unless someone I knows tells me they are useful with details. TER is better for researching service, it is useless for determining HYA. Too many people rate MILFs higher than HYA, and most of the time it's because they truly prefer older women.

Allie was often half the hot girls in SD. She was better and cheaper. The percentage of HYA in OC and LA are the same as SD, but since they have 50 girls instead of our 10, you can at least pick and choose:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7348275 OC
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7346174 LA

Of course, some girls in LA are simply girls that passed through SD like Prada (aka Sia), Lily K, Viviana (aka Vivian), Ada, and Viki. Same idea for OC.

[Jash198]

I stopped going because the prices have gone up a lot from my perspective.

Thanks a lot for your write ups here.

Echoing the same sentiment that prices are rising and hard to justify when things like msog aren't included with the hour. Not saying I need msog but it was nice knowing it was available.

In my experience the pictures are heavily P.S. Too and sometimes the descriptions can be inaccurate. Everyone's opinions are different but notice a lot of inflated reviews on sites like TER. I'll partake if reviews are mostly positive. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but yeah hard to justify sometimes.

[DRaj123]

What is wrong with us K-Org mongers in San Diego!

We run the risk of losing two awesome K-Orgs here if we're not careful. XOXO and SKP (and affiliates) have struggled to keep awesome talent here, due to lack of interest. Dolly and Rosie were both incredible talents at SKP, but have left for greener pastures up north. Dolly was an absolutely incredible HYA, and bailed after only a week. Rosie wanted to stay here long term, but left because it was so slow here.
As it's been pointed out in the past, we speak with our wallets. And if we're not careful, we're going to lose two incredible K-Orgs and be back to the two original (SDAG & FEC).

I stopped going because the prices have gone up a lot from my perspective.

Thanks a lot for your write ups here.

[Gbrand]

What is wrong with us K-Org mongers in San Diego!

We run the risk of losing two awesome K-Orgs here if we're not careful. XOXO and SKP (and affiliates) have struggled to keep awesome talent here, due to lack of interest. Dolly and Rosie were both incredible talents at SKP, but have left for greener pastures up north. Dolly was an absolutely incredible HYA, and bailed after only a week. Rosie wanted to stay here long term, but left because it was so slow here.
As it's been pointed out in the past, we speak with our wallets. And if we're not careful, we're going to lose two incredible K-Orgs and be back to the two original (SDAG & FEC).
Come on San Diego mongers, let's show some support. Otherwise we run the risk of losing our discounted k-org agencies

[SsStuntCock]

With Hera K. Satiated off a 3-week tour of SD, no one should be surprised if she switches places with Jenny K. Who'd be great replacement as far spinners go.

[SsStuntCock]

Older spinner touring SD just time for Taco Tuesday. Pretty sure this is the same Becca from SKG in the Bay (TER: 383300), circa Nov 2023. Seen her pics floating around since then. SKG pics attached. You be the judge.

Speaking of staying power, juuust when I was going to comment on how pleasantly surprised I was that Hera K. / Rosy stayed for as long as she did—poof she gone like a canoodling couple on a kiss cam at a Coldplay concert.

[Msog1]

There are 3 pics and to me they look like they are 3 different girls, but the one with red looks most like her. To me, she is a HYA. 20's, beautiful face, flawless complexion, slender build, nice tits and ass, tight and pretty innie puss. She gave me a real nice preview in the shower, insisted on drying me off and then gave me another preview right after. That was a first for me and I have been doing this a while. Back to the room, she was totally DTF, fully engaged for the entire time and definitely fu*ked me back. I absolutely hate it when OTD goes north of 400, but it was a no-brainer to forgo the cover. It is a sin to turn down BB with a girl this hot and eager LOL. She got so wet from dining, she had to place a towel under. She is a rare mix of HYA and service queen. Speaks enough English for some light convo. Also taught me a few Korean words. Here for another 10 days. A most excellent time to be had. Don't miss out.

P.S.: I was suffering from FEC withdrawal due to sitting out the v-girls. What a glorious return to form!!

Yea they were all awesome. I have never paid an upcharge to miname (4 x), Tiana (4 x), Vietnamese Linda (4 x), Kiwi (1 x).

[Stl Danish]

Not sure if I should post here but thinking about taking the plunge with bb for the first time and just doing duos. I don't think there are any agencies providing that at this time but anyone have experience?

Yes, some of the k-org bb girls will provide this from time to time. It's fun if you have the wallet to support this very expensive hour.

[Zehe123]

Has anyone been with her yet? Any info would be appreciated.