"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Jims2321]

Gentlemen, thank you for all the insight. It helped me having my first SB experience the other day, however rather subpar, still something. Semi-pro vibes as she asked for $.50 to cover STD tests for CIM. That kind of killed the mood for me as this is not what I'm seeking in SBs. She requested me not to post online. If some of you come across to her and post a question here, I'll DM you with info. She is a bigger girl and still 20's but a bit older than usual SB age.

Moving to reports.

Kinley - https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-c3e5e8f5c154.

Asking for online until meeting up. I don't do online at all. I made a rule to myself before returning not to do online ever even it is the Afrodit herself LOL. I did not reply for 2 days. She blocked me then. Looks great otherwise.

Collegegirl appeared back in my radar. I talked with her before but did not pursue. Is she solid? I feel a bit reserved against girls who come and go as if they are losing or cycling SDs fast.

Apparently Kinley dumped her profile it no longer available. As of Collegegirl, a link would be helpful and a lot of these ladies change screen names on a regular basis and the only real way to I'd them is their pictures.

[CrazyRocket]

Gentlemen, thank you for all the insight. It helped me having my first SB experience the other day, however rather subpar, still something. Semi-pro vibes as she asked for $.50 to cover STD tests for CIM. That kind of killed the mood for me as this is not what I'm seeking in SBs. She requested me not to post online. If some of you come across to her and post a question here, I'll DM you with info. She is a bigger girl and still 20's but a bit older than usual SB age.

Moving to reports.

Kinley - https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-c3e5e8f5c154.

Asking for online until meeting up. I don't do online at all. I made a rule to myself before returning not to do online ever even it is the Afrodit herself LOL. I did not reply for 2 days. She blocked me then. Looks great otherwise.

Collegegirl appeared back in my radar. I talked with her before but did not pursue. Is she solid? I feel a bit reserved against girls who come and go as if they are losing or cycling SDs fast.

[SetoMan]

I really can't emphasize this point enough. There are a lot of younger women in their 20's who are completely turned on by the idea of having an older successful man in their life. That doesn't necessarily mean they have daddy issues, they are just naturally drawn to the older, established man who can provide for them financially, mentally and physically (and by financially, I don't necessarily mean an allowance is required, it can be enough that she never pays for anything when she's with you). I'll never forget one of my more memorable first dates, I took this girl to dinner and we connected extremely well. She was 21 at the time (I was 41), and while she had a normal amount of sexual experience it was all with boys her own age and she had never experienced an orgasm during sex. She was very naturally attracted to older men and I was her first "older guy" experience. So our date was a true fantasy fulfillment for her. Back at my hotel we spent some time fooling around and getting worked up and when it came time for the moment of truth, I put her on her back as I stood at the side of the bed. I slid inside her and she instantly had a huge, toe curling orgasm. I do mean HUGE. She looked like she was having convulsions and or a seizure. When she recovered she was embarrassed but of course I loved it and went on to give her about a dozen more over the course of the evening. That was the beginning of an extremely beneficial relationship for us both.

So again, all of this is just to emphasize the points made below; there are a ton of hot younger women who are looking for things other than financial support on SA. If you're patient, search carefully and take the time to talk AND LISTEN to these girls, the rewards can be substantial.

BOOOM! This is exactly what I was talking about fellas!

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I'm always intrigued how these free setups end. In my 7 years of doing this, I have never known them to last more than 6-12 months (unless it turns into a serious relationship) before fizzling out due to either, new bf, new friend group, busy schedule (work / school), move to different state, etc.

Mines usually end because I'm not consistent in setting up the meets, mainly because they always happen when I'm in a relationship / seriously dating and I struggle with being faithful and slipping back. So the periods when I'm like I'm going to be faithful. Puff enough time passes of no contact and I lose the seeking girl. When I'm out of a relationship (like right now I never get this).

[JoyDrop]

The reason is what's considered "good sex" to women is not just physical. Its a lot of mental stuff too. The whole reason they are there is to meet older men (sometimes double their age) because they already have that kink / fetish for older men. So they are turned on by older men with dad bod who are confident and who she can open up to. You don't have to be great at sex (which is an over-rated saying), you just have to be okay because At that point there's already fireworks going on in her mental as you are fulfilling her fetish and she is completely turned on just by connecting with you.

I really can't emphasize this point enough. There are a lot of younger women in their 20's who are completely turned on by the idea of having an older successful man in their life. That doesn't necessarily mean they have daddy issues, they are just naturally drawn to the older, established man who can provide for them financially, mentally and physically (and by financially, I don't necessarily mean an allowance is required, it can be enough that she never pays for anything when she's with you). I'll never forget one of my more memorable first dates, I took this girl to dinner and we connected extremely well. She was 21 at the time (I was 41), and while she had a normal amount of sexual experience it was all with boys her own age and she had never experienced an orgasm during sex. She was very naturally attracted to older men and I was her first "older guy" experience. So our date was a true fantasy fulfillment for her. Back at my hotel we spent some time fooling around and getting worked up and when it came time for the moment of truth, I put her on her back as I stood at the side of the bed. I slid inside her and she instantly had a huge, toe curling orgasm. I do mean HUGE. She looked like she was having convulsions and or a seizure. When she recovered she was embarrassed but of course I loved it and went on to give her about a dozen more over the course of the evening. That was the beginning of an extremely beneficial relationship for us both.

completely draining you makes her feel accomplished.

I'm in a relationship with a different young woman now that takes this mindset to the extreme. In rough numbers I'm 50, she's almost 30, she's very successful in a corporate career and does very well for herself. She is only attracted to older men and again, I was fortunate to be the first older man she dated. She had also never had an orgasm from sex prior to me and when we see each other she's regularly cumming at least a dozen times. She's insatiable and just about wears me out, but it's a great problem to have. The thing I love most about her though is how appreciative she is. She acts like I'm the greatest gift she's ever received and bends over backwards to accommodate my needs 100% of the time. She loves to tell me she was put on this earth to serve me and please me, and she damn sure acts like it. She always goes the extra mile to ensure I get mine and is quick to tell me how much it makes her feel accomplished and fulfilled when she makes me cum. I know that type of thing isn't for everyone, but for a guy like me, it really doesn't get any better. She's got me so completely spoiled at this point I don't know how anyone else could even begin to compare.

So again, all of this is just to emphasize the points made below; there are a ton of hot younger women who are looking for things other than financial support on SA. If you're patient, search carefully and take the time to talk AND LISTEN to these girls, the rewards can be substantial.

[2me4Looking2]

Has anyone had any luck with Sabrina? We have messaged a little and she seems legit but would love to know if anyone has any actual experience with her.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...1-aeea52d3438a

Thanks.

[SetoMan]

In my early 30's. Women 30+ and 40+ are more responsive. 20's, not so much. There are some hot 40+ women around my area, but most of them suffer from GPS.

Gentlemen, I need some guidance on one of the basics: What age group are the girls most interested in?

I'm way below 50 and having some challenges bagging early 20's. May be partially due to my limited account.

I am beginning to think I'm too young for sugaring in the girls' eyes, and they're fleeing not taking it seriously.

This is actually common. I too suffer from this, there are pros and cons. I get replies like, "you look too good to be on here", or "why are you here", etc.

The pros are, sometimes I get to bang girls straight away, no bs or pillow talking. The cons are, I lose out on a good amount of girls who want the older man kink / fetish.

Lets say I'm 35 but can pass as 25 with a fresh cut so when they see my picture they automatically assume that I'm not a daddy or I won't be able to provide.

Remember while for us guys, all we care about is looks, but for girls on this site, its mental most of the time. Its the same with in person dating (not tinder which is 100% looks). Girls would drive or uber themselves to fuck a drug dealer they are charmed by in a trap house when ever he texts "come over" but will make the nice cute guy she's dating wait weeks to touch her, or go through hoops of doing stuff to make her happy for her just to bang him every now and then. The drug dealer just rails her good and sends her on her way and doesn't even provide the uber.

Why do you think she's going to the drug dealer? Is it just good sex? No she can get that from most other guys. The reason is what's considered "good sex" to women is not just physical. Its a lot of mental stuff too.

Back to the site, 70% of the girls on the site most likely don't care that much about looks, its all mental for them so they might immediately write you off. There's also stereotype of if you look young you are immature, broke, etc. The whole reason they are there is to meet older men (sometimes double their age) because they already have that kink / fetish for older men.

So they are turned on by older men with dad bod who are confident and who she can open up to. You don't have to be great at sex (which is an over-rated saying), you just have to be okay because At that point there's already fireworks going on in her mental as you are fulfilling her fetish and she is completely turned on just by connecting with you. You going balls deep with your dad bod pressing up against her body is just the cherry on top, completely draining you makes her feel accomplished.

So if you look young and semi attractive, your miles will vary. Don't over think it. You can do three things.

1) Use hidden photo profile.

2) Your hidden photo should be of body shots with you in a business-like attire that makes you look older / big.

3) Try not to show your face (unless you think the girl cares about looks and will appreciate it) and say you like to be discreet.

4) You can show your face at the endgame when you have already agreed with her and she's about to be on her way but is asking for a picture.

[FarFarAway]

It is exactly right! My approach has always been 1. Have some game and treat them like a individual. Have a actual conversation and "connect". 2. Be firm and not a pushover. (we run the show. Not them). 3. actually Fuck them good and not "use them" like a hooker or sex toy.

Also Faraway. What is a bowl buddy?

A friend and fellow traveler in the arrangement world. 'bowl' as in sugar bowl. Actually that guy is in Georgia, and I may have made his acquaintance through this particular thread. I've got a few such friends I have made on here. It is super helpful to have someone to bounce ideas off of, discreetly, not for all to see. All done electronically, as they are far flung.

[SetoMan]

Has an interesting approach to interpersonal relations. I mean, everyone gets the bowl he's looking for, he seems to be able to get some SBs who fit into his zeitgeist.

I'd say it isn't for most guys though. Even if it would keep sugar lower, it is unlikely to be widely adopted. I personally want to have a more collaborative and positive interaction w / SBs, who I am really trying to keep on an ongoing basis. Because they like me (other than that awesome sex we're having), and we enjoy each other's company. I have a bowl buddy in GA who basically gets his girl (who he commits to long-term, gets tested so there's no problem w / bare, etc.) for free and sticks w / her for a few years. I've had multiple arrangements of 9 months or so. I just FCed today w / my current heartthrob, OMG she is a smoking hot 21 year old ballerina, and pretty much a nymphomaniac. She lives at home w / a very repressed family. Definite daddy issues. We never talked allowance, I give her 240 and she is ecstatic, & she is going out and buying ballet gear, lingerie, and sex toys. LOL. I'd see this girl forever if it works out. These are the girls you need to be looking for.

That's a nice setup, I'm definitely not advocating a singular solution as I have taken part in variety of approaches (relationship, roommates, fuck buddy, full price down to 100, freebees, unasked overnight stay, unasked weekend stay, etc. Heck two days ago I was going to do the dinner approach on a young hottie and it certainly looked like based on conv I was either going to get freebies or very cheap. Unfortunately, she hit me a day before to do it early and I didn't want to cancel on my other date. Which means two things, either another guy hit it as she is no longer responding or she's lost interest in the site. More likely another guy hit it and she won't be back for another week or so.

So I'm all for using multiple approach, but I favor some over others for guaranteed success. I just want all of us to win without over paying and driving up the market. If you win, I win. That's what matters. The live at home with repressive parents is also a good one. Another one is the lives with boyfriend.

-The 100 Softcore Relationship Post Offsite Approach-.

I had a young hottie 2-3 years ago, we went from 250 when I saw her a couple times, after that I got into a relationship then 6-9 months later I hit her up and she's in a relationship and no longer on the site or doing it. So the approach I use is, you just come over and sit on my face, I don't do anything to you at all and I give you 100.

Its tempting to them but of course she will decline at first. My goal is to plant the seed and then water it later.

So I just keep hitting her up discreetly every week or so. Till one day she hit me up at of no where 2 AM (I missed it). That's when you know she's been horny lately and its about to go down.

So I setup something the next day and She drives 1 hour to meet me. Then I go down on her then afterwards go balls deep. Now you have a girl in a relationship driving 1 hour for you to burst in her multiple rounds, mind you all for 100.

I couldn't take advantage for more than 4-5 times cause I too was in a relationship with someone I lived with but I could have hit that 40-50 times if I wasn't.

Unfortunately, nothing ever lasts. I hit her up months later (as soon as I got out of my relationship and lived alone). Now I'm free to bang her everyday.

But she too broke up with her bf and moved out. Now its going to cost me 300! She no longer needed my dick as she's now single with freedom. But it was fun while it lasted.

So there's many approaches, you just have to pick one based on the current girl / situation and get very creative with it, takes a bit of game.

- Hat Trick Method -.

Another approach I have done a couple times is what I call the Hat Trick Method.

You convince a girl to come over three times in a day and stay for 15-20 minutes. Once in the morning, once midday and finally at night. This means you are bursting in her 3 times in a day at full charge. Completely emptying the tank. All for the price of 300. I only pulled this off with one girl but it was fun and satisfying. If you have a high sex drive like me, this is a good approach to keep in the back burner. A lot of times I would fuck a girl for hours, then after they leave, 1 hour later I'm still super horny. This solves that issue. I won't go into details how to pull this off. Requires a bit of reinforcement learning & impression hacking.

[MajMilkDuds]

Has an interesting approach to interpersonal relations. I mean, everyone gets the bowl he's looking for, he seems to be able to get some SBs who fit into his zeitgeist.

I'd say it isn't for most guys though. Even if it would keep sugar lower, it is unlikely to be widely adopted. I personally want to have a more collaborative and positive interaction w / SBs, who I am really trying to keep on an ongoing basis. Because they like me (other than that awesome sex we're having), and we enjoy each other's company. I have a bowl buddy in GA who basically gets his girl (who he commits to long-term, gets tested so there's no problem w / bare, etc.) for free and sticks w / her for a few years. I've had multiple arrangements of 9 months or so. I just FCed today w / my current heartthrob, OMG she is a smoking hot 21 year old ballerina, and pretty much a nymphomaniac. She lives at home w / a very repressed family. Definite daddy issues. We never talked allowance, I give her 240 and she is ecstatic, & she is going out and buying ballet gear, lingerie, and sex toys. LOL. I'd see this girl forever if it works out. These are the girls you need to be looking for.

It is exactly right! My approach has always been 1. Have some game and treat them like a individual. Have a actual conversation and "connect". 2. Be firm and not a pushover. (we run the show. Not them). 3. actually Fuck them good and not "use them" like a hooker or sex toy.

Also Faraway. What is a bowl buddy?

[FarFarAway]

In my early 30's. Women 30+ and 40+ are more responsive. 20's, not so much. There are some hot 40+ women around my area, but most of them suffer from GPS.

Us oldsters will often say that the incompetence of most men in the age-peer group of our target SBs is the reason we are successful. These girls have just had bad experiences w / guys who are broke, who are mama's boys, who want to be coddled, etc. The POTs want someone alpha (and that doesn't mean dominant. They're not looking to get knocked around), they want someone to admire and respect, and they likely want someone who is highly experienced and skilled in the sack. That last one, I'd give essentially every dude here the benefit of the doubt on, but it isn't obvious when a girl is just reading a dude's profile.

These sites (seeking, whatsyourprice, and their clones), they really are for the older guy / younger girl dynamic. Because that existed long before the sites.

[GoneForGood97]

How is this of any benefit to anyone else here?

It reinforces something a lot of guys simply cannot comprehend: you can find hot SBs in their 20's for a reasonable allowance, despite a lot of guys insistence that "all the good ones" (usually they mean 20's, white, petite) are 600 plus. Farfaraway is just confiming what a few of us have been saying for awhile: you can have a lot of success in the Atlanta market for between 200-300 with some effort.

[SugarLifeNow]

Hey everyone, Dave here, new SugarLifeNow chocolate girl in Atlanta. Her name is Janiya, she's 19. Loves being pounded. Hasn't done anal, but is curious about it. Will consider BBFS.

https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/slimniya/

PM me if interested in my new ambassador program.

[Wleakr]

But when a guy comes and says he won't give them anything if they leave before the agreed time, its "kidnapping". No wonder girls are asking for 1 k. I had a girl ask for 3 k the other day. Its unbelievable. Guys will throw money at girls for doing literally nothing. So from their POV why not ask for 1 k.

I'm in total agreement with you on not spending in excess. $300 is my max and I really don't want to pay that.

But just recognize everyone doesn't have a problem with getting a baby to stay a certain amount of time.

For some it's the total opposite. For some, the problem is trying to keep a baby from wanting MORE time and attention and figuring out how to dial them back a notch.

Food for thought!

[CrazyRocket]

When you say way below 50, like are you 40? Or 30? 19 year old and 21 and below are just a hit and miss in general.

In my early 30's. Women 30+ and 40+ are more responsive. 20's, not so much. There are some hot 40+ women around my area, but most of them suffer from GPS.

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