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  1. #783

    Naomi

    Was craving some jgirl so went to see Naomi. I don't think the pics are her. The Naomi I saw had a more SEA-look which I liked better than the pics. The tits on the pics are B-cups while Naomi had A's at the most. Service-wise, she did pretty much what I asked. Have yet to have a jgirl who could DT but her technique (shallow but maintains nice pressure on the frenulum) was eerily similar to one of my ex's which was damn good for me. Her puss was tiiiight and I had to slow down a couple of times to prevent early liftoff. Went through the usual 5-6 positions before finishing CIP. She doesn't do CIM so, as good as the sesh was, I won't repeat.

  2. #782

    Market forecast

    This is another pricing forecast post so just ignore if you aren't interested in the future prices of jgirls.

    Many jgirls are showing up in far away cities offering 100 video. One after the other. Asianbutterfly is one example, I won't link it but veterans know. It's just like how some cities have bb-inclusive even though it is rare outside of CA, each city has its specialty. Some cities even specialize in GILFs. So I wouldn't expect 100 video to be standard any time soon, but down the road it may spread. Most of the jgirls East Coast are young, some of them are hot, a few of them have high tier service. They are more popular than kgirls for complex reasons. It is a public forum so that is all I will say there.

    In Japan, video when offered was most often $67 to $133. Photos were $14 to $28. Every girl had a different policy ranging from anything goes down to fully clothed selfie after only. I'd rather not spell out my success rate because it is so ymmv and I don't want to raise expectations. It was high though often with restrictions. I vibed with every girl and spoke fluently, so it helps. I even vibed with an ex-JAV girl who was notoriously cold service - every review I read on her agreed she did not smile even once. I believe the reviews and in hindsight know why it happened. But she smiled for me halfway and the rest of the session, we got along really well. She gave me great service. So it just goes to show what bringing your service for HYA can do.

    Video or photo is not a big deal if you get along with the girl and get permission first. All the dumb drama comes from guys trying to do stuff without asking. Keep a good thing going by keeping it private, keeping it private is also the law in both countries. An iphone with good room lighting is enough for beginners, a dji osmo pocket 3 is ideal for veterans but lately Amazon is out of stock on the base model so only combo models are left. The dji 3 is a very powerful tool for 4k video, great for vacation video too, but has a steep initial learning curve.

    We all know jgirls tend to be looks over service. But by the same token, many rank high on my "looks only" list.

    About jgirls, I have heard stories about guys giving jgirls and kgirls lots of money "for nothing" and while that is amazingly generous I must warn against it just in case:

    Quote Originally Posted by Download X  [View Original Post]
    Some corgs have a posted warning that they are not responsible if you contact girls outside the shop. That warning is actually mainly for our benefit, so we don't complain to the shop after a girl begs money out of us with some sob story. I have heard some stupid stories of lots of money given for nothing. It should be no surprise the begging tends to happen when they are no longer working at shops - they don't want to get fired for causing trouble. But once they're done with work all bets are off.
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7298721 OTC is risky

    If it makes anyone feel better, the sums I have heard were $8K, $12k, $25k, and $50k. Whereas if you give a jgirl $300 like me as a gift or buy her something nice, that amount is nothing to feel bad about. I did it when a girl took care of me a bunch of times, I didn't expect anything in return. It was just a goodbye forever gift. Just don't get carried away.

    It's good enough to be respectful and have a good shared time, then wave goodbye and move on. Just do not get involved, it's how everyone gets burned.

  3. #781
    Quote Originally Posted by Jbb80  [View Original Post]
    Was in town for a trip and saw her. Very pretty girl. Great face and body.

    Think she is somewhat new to the scene, but great performance in my opinion. Just have to be nice and let her warm up. Hope info helps ya'll.
    Is she shaved or does she have a Bush?

  4. #780
    Quote Originally Posted by Jbb80  [View Original Post]
    Was in town for a trip and saw her. Very pretty girl. Great face and body.

    Think she is somewhat new to the scene, but great performance in my opinion. Just have to be nice and let her warm up. Hope info helps ya'll.
    Awesome is she fully shaved or does she have a Bush?

  5. #779

    Re: alyssa

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyari69  [View Original Post]
    I'm curious too. I can't find any reviews of her.
    Was in town for a trip and saw her. Very pretty girl. Great face and body.

    Think she is somewhat new to the scene, but great performance in my opinion. Just have to be nice and let her warm up. Hope info helps ya'll.

  6. #778

    I'm curious too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BourbonFiend  [View Original Post]
    I'm curious too. I can't find any reviews of her.

  7. #777

  8. #776
    Quote Originally Posted by LaoneBug  [View Original Post]
    I don't think WanEr is 561 MICA-011.

    I think she's SIRO-5271.

    I went to visit her and same birth mark on her thigh.

    She's probably 5 lb less than the movie so even cuter in person.

    Down side is a little below average than normal Japanese service.

    Really weak BBBJ and only lfk.
    My apologies, if she is SIRO-5271 then here are some screencaps. Yes, I have seen an ex-JAV lose weight and actually look better. I just don't get my hopes up, since the other way happens too.

    Having visual confirmation is worth more than anything.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Siro-5271-02.jpg‎   Siro-5271-04.jpg‎   Siro-5271-05.jpg‎  

  9. #775
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaamper  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the pointer to the JAV vid. WanEr seems a little pudgy for my taste, but at least seeing the vid helps to know that.
    I don't think WanEr is 561 MICA-011.

    I think she's SIRO-5271.

    I went to visit her and same birth mark on her thigh.

    She's probably 5 lb less than the movie so even cuter in person.

    Down side is a little below average than normal Japanese service.

    Really weak BBBJ and only lfk.

  10. #774
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggininder  [View Original Post]
    She's quite ATF caliber for me.

    Also named Baby Ayaka in OC.

    Wondering where she is now.
    Best to cherish the memory, no need to wonder. Baby Ayaka is on the A-Tier "looks only" list. Bolded are jgirls, each of them have aliases.

    A-Tier Melody, Lizza, Emily, Nara, Hanni, Elsa, Seven, Bona, Allie, Baby Ayaka, Ericka, Baby Evian, Drea, Baby Blue, Purple K, Baby Arin, Gigi.

    If it pleases you to know, Baby Ayaka changed her style and looks even more like Chaewon. Smaller nose, black hair a few inches longer. 90% the same as Chaewon with those adjustments. It may be hard to believe, but at her age many women grow even more beautiful for a few years. Their face changes, it no longer looks like the same person especially with the new style and make up.

    If we want more girls to come, let them be happy and wish them well.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Leserrar.jpg‎  

  11. #773
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaamper  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the pointer to the JAV vid. WanEr seems a little pudgy for my taste, but at least seeing the vid helps to know that.

    I visit JAV sites so much more now that prices have gotten so high. Recently, as I was wanking my way through a site, I was pleasantly surprised to discover a few vids of Ling'er / MomoK / Baby Yuki. For those that remember, she was here about a year ago, I think. Here are the vids I could find for her:

    Fc2-ppv-3748254.

    Fc2-ppv-3879833.

    Fc2-ppv-3886843.

    Fc2-ppv-4223706.

    That's her for sure. I remember the face, plus I cross-checked the location of several moles on her body with my own keepsake video from her visit to SoCal.
    She's quite ATF caliber for me.

    Also named Baby Ayaka in OC.

    Wondering where she is now.

  12. #772
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaamper  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the pointer to the JAV vid. WanEr seems a little pudgy for my taste, but at least seeing the vid helps to know that.
    This is important. I think she's cute, I'd book her right away if she were in OC. Probably twice. But everyone likes something different. Some guys might see a girl is not their type, while other guys will rush to see her. If that happens, she will find more happy customers, get repeats from regulars, and be happy. Guys save time and money too. Eventually, more girls come because more girls are happy. This is the true goal of reviews.

    Quote Originally Posted by Download X  [View Original Post]
    The goal of reviews
    With reviews, I want to do a few things in order of priority. First, I want service hunters not to see a HYA and be disappointed. I'll name the exception HYA with higher service like Baby Arin. Second, I want true HYA lovers to know about a girl and make a good decision based on clear and verifiable facts. Find out if a HYA is even the guy's type, because there are other HYA to choose from. Last, I hope to do an "exchange" through the first and second principles - so that the girl gets fewer unhappy customers and more happy customers. To be clear, guys completely benefit from this exchange, same as the girl. When this exchange happens, her repeat rate will increase since obviously happy guys are more likely to repeat and be regulars. The benefit of that to both guys and girls is obvious. The final principle is, more HYA will come (since HYA are happy and loved). Notice we have not taken business away from service queens, quite the opposite - we are sending service hunters back to them. We are giving every guy more value for their money with intel. This is the ultimate goal of every review I have made.
    With video, I try to keep a good thing going and keep it private. I've shared my thoughts, of course each guy should do what they think is right. I can't tell others what to do, just point out it's in everyone's interest for having a good time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaamper  [View Original Post]
    I visit JAV sites so much more now that prices have gotten so high. Recently, as I was wanking my way through a site, I was pleasantly surprised to discover a few vids of Ling'er
    Her vocal and facial feedback at the peak is amazing. For those who need to take a break and save a ton of money:

    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7096622 FC2, part 2
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7095387 FC2, part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Download X  [View Original Post]
    If anyone wants to save a ton of money and quit kgirls, you can try a Tenga flip or even the cheaper Tenga egg. If you use lube, you can hold off the Dark side for months or years even. Fucking years. I mention this because you can even get "worn out head" from a Tenga by being too rough too long. Obviously, not an STD. Exact same results, 4-5 days later all good. Oh look, free FC2 guides. Just pay one-time for a Rapidgator account highly recommended. Save tens of thousands. I know not everyone has enough money to blow on kgirls, maybe times are hard. So use these guides maybe. You can resist kgirls for years, I know it because I took a long break from kgirls after one too many MILFs opened the door on me. Everyone has their money to save money too I get it. Don't worry, we'll take good care of the HYA for you while you're gone.

    Tenga, FC2, Rapidgator saved me fifty thousand dollars easily. Doubled it in S&P. Oh and drive a cheap efficient car, that's another hundred thousand over 20 years. Enough savings to see kgirls hundreds of times later when the Dark Side finally calls you.
    About FC2, a lot of people have asked but FC2 is a marketplace for videos. Not unlike what Pornhub has. So you can get free samples and preview videos. You can sign up for an account and use a translator to purchase videos. Only 50% of FC2 amateur videos get leaked, so if you are a true fan of a girl or series you can definitely purchase videos yourself. But the process can be frustrating since FC2 has a file size limit and you may have to follow-up with the seller in Japanese for a full HD video if the size is gigantic. Of course, some of the better faces are on JAV.

    VR porn is also getting more popular, maybe I will write a guide some day. I did comment to some JAV stars that there is a jump in realism from JAV to VR, but in front of them I feel the same jump from VR to reality. Most JAV stars look just as good as they do in JAV, I rubbed my eyes and when I opened them again they were still there. Kururugi in particular has the exact same anime voice she always uses, she even did a bunch of adorable faces for me at the end. I have already posted before how to go about it.

    Some random examples.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Tenga flip.jpg‎   Tenga egg.jpg‎   FC2-PPV-3127778.mp4.jpg‎   FC2-PPV-3272858.mp4-00043.jpg‎   FC2-PPV-1522639.mp4-00001.jpg‎  

    FC2-PPV-1916808.mp4-00002.jpg‎   Kominato Yotsuha.mp4-00009.jpg‎  

  13. #771

    SoCal Alumnus JAV

    Quote Originally Posted by DownloadX  [View Original Post]
    MH has a new jgirl Wan Er (1) for 10 days, and one ad shows she starred in JAV. See 561MICA-011. Wan Er is 260 hh 450 hr with the usual corg upcharge pricing. I have not seen Wan Er, so this post is just on how to research JAV girls or fly over to see them.
    Thanks for the pointer to the JAV vid. WanEr seems a little pudgy for my taste, but at least seeing the vid helps to know that.

    I visit JAV sites so much more now that prices have gotten so high. Recently, as I was wanking my way through a site, I was pleasantly surprised to discover a few vids of Ling'er / MomoK / Baby Yuki. For those that remember, she was here about a year ago, I think. Here are the vids I could find for her:

    Fc2-ppv-3748254.

    Fc2-ppv-3879833.

    Fc2-ppv-3886843.

    Fc2-ppv-4223706.

    That's her for sure. I remember the face, plus I cross-checked the location of several moles on her body with my own keepsake video from her visit to SoCal.

  14. #770
    MH has a new jgirl Wan Er (1) for 10 days, and one ad shows she starred in JAV. See 561MICA-011. Wan Er is 260 hh 450 hr with the usual corg upcharge pricing. I have not seen Wan Er, so this post is just on how to research JAV girls or fly over to see them.

    JAV research skills
    To research Wan Er and see her JAV yourself, see these two guides if you are serious on learning how to research JAV. As a hint, she is 561MICA-011.

    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7108468 Mizuki Igarashi
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7115643 Nonose Mitsuha

    "JD" basically means college girl, I've attached screencaps. I can only say the JAV ad is the girl in the screencap, I have not met Wan Er to personally confirm but in 95%-99% of cases the girl is the one in the JAV ad. JD Miu from the video is young and cute, B cup tits. Her ad photos have some PS as usual, but it's not bad just 1 tier. It's not like when MILFs are PS'd 3 tiers into HYA. 1 tier is what I call "some" usual PS in my rosters. 3 tiers is god-tier PS. Sweet had about 2 tiers of PS, which is why I pointed it out. I usually use the words "significant PS" or "way too much PS" for 2-tiers in my rosters.

    There is also Lina (4) and Jia Jia (6). I don't know if this is the same Lina as before, I had a friend who saw that Lina and recommended.

    A reminder that B cup in the USA is C cup in Japan. Sometimes it's exaggerated 1 more cup, so you have to subtract 2. It is nice they are bringing over JAV stars even if it's just a few films. JAV star Natsuki Amamiya is in NYC now. Yuka Miyoshi is Norcal last I heard.

    MH sent me to Japan
    I've said before I'm not screened with MH and have no intention of trying again (they never replied since I'm not a local). I know their girls from elsewhere like OC.

    What I did instead was I flew to Japan and played with 30 oppai pub girls, plus 20 other jgirls including 5 JAV stars. It was much cheaper in bulk. 30 oppai pub girls cost me $850 total ($28 each girl), 20% of them were S-Tier meaning well above Daisy level. I am more interested in kissing and flirting with girls anyways, you can gently kiss her breasts too, some girls love to show off their legs. Whereas if you want pussy it suddenly costs 10 times more like in the US. Japan pricing is weird like that. When you find an oppai pub girl you like, you keep and repeat her. Some feel like a real girlfriend, but you are a free man again after. It's why I've gone a hundred times over the decades.

    http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3002870 Oppai pubs in Tokyo

    Quality of Girls
    The exact breakdown of Hosekinobako girl quality was 20% S-Tier, 40% A-Tier, 30% B-Tier, 10% C-Tier, Zero D-Tier over 20 visits. I've gone many years and the quality has gone up over the years if anything. Of course, they are hotter because you can't bang. For comparison, at korgs it is 3% S-Tier, 7% A-Tier, 15% B-Tier, 25% C-Tier, all the way down to F which is rare at korgs (but not corgs). This includes the MILFs. It is still much better than civilians which is 1% S-Tier and 3% A-Tier due to a majority being overweight, out of shape, or low effort despite the raw materials. I've graded women on a consistent scale for decades, and lucky when I go to Japan almost everyone shares my taste. With korgs, I use intel so it's usually A-Tier and B-Tier, with a few C-Tier borderline. Most guys are "service first" so it works very different for them.

    I would remind people that being in JAV doesn't guarantee good performance, and sometimes ex-JAV girls in the US have retied years ago so appearance can change. Whereas when I went to Japan and saw recently active JAV girls, they looked more or less just like they did in JAV. Sometimes better. For example Ichika Nagano used to be "just cute", but now she is beautiful. Satsuki Mei and Hizumi Maika also look even better in person. Whereas Misaki Nanami and Akemi Miu have been retired a while and may turn me into pre-MILF lovers. They are not exactly as good as their prime from a few years ago but they were always quite beautiful and still are. Every girl was different, some what I expect some not. One was top tier wife material, I did not realize until I met her. I personally saw over a dozen JAV girls but only count 5 since those were the ones I went to see and were actually on my top 30 list. I was invited to lunch by a few jgirls but was only interested in one and saw her. She has a lot of fans so I cannot say who.

    If you are on a budget in Japan, I recommend Shibuya Galaxy first (Open 3pm weekday, 1pm weekend). Later, oppai pubs at night especially if you have even one Japanese speaking friend who can bring you into the better ones. If you have such a friend, then 5pm for Hosekinobako (be there 4:59pm if you can). Otherwise about 8pm for clubs like Sweater Moon or Luxe.

    http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3002481 Shibuya Galaxy strip club

    MH sent me to City of Industry strip clubs
    When I get lemons I make lemonade. This was my previous post about being ghosted by MH:

    Quote Originally Posted by Download X  [View Original Post]
    I'm used to being super patient on the order of months and years, it's the best way in this hobby. To see jgirls, I once tried to screen with MiyaHouse. They left me on read forever. I could literally fly to Japan and play with two dozen jgirls in a weeks time, so why bother with MH. I ended up going COI instead. So everyone can thank MiyaHouse for this strip club update:
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...na#post7195918 COI
    If you really really need to bang in Japan
    I've written oppai guides for 21 years on ISG, but most guys keep asking me about fs instead. I spent 20 years trying to tell people that Japan is not for banging due to the language barrier. But lately, a lot of "English okay" shops have appeared and some are great.

    So I toftt and researched it very thoroughly. It was hard on my body but don't worry I'm alright. So now with intel you can pick the very best 3 out of 1000 fs shops, and they are English friendly through LINE (Gingira, Tokyo Amateur Escort, Tokyo Hentai Club). Gingira has some S-Tier girls, a few look better than ads while most are not far off. TAE is cheaper and focuses on young amateur girls, I recommend the hotel delivery option even though it costs a little more. Tokyo Hentai Club is popular and better for normal guys. I was about to book Ericka Ozaki through them but her schedule ended when I had free time. It is way cheaper "for the same quality" in Japan for that btw. Use Yoasobi to research all 133 foreigner friendly shops in Tokyo, the list keeps growing and will probably double in 2 years.
    https://gingira.jp/gal.html Gingira girls
    https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira English explanation
    http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3002312 Tokyo Amateur Escort review
    https://amateurtokyo.com/play-guide/ Tokyo Amateur Escort
    https://hentaitokyo.com/ Tokyo Hentai club
    https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/shop-list/ Yoasobi Tokyo shop list (all are foreigner friendly)

    Gingira and TAE girls were accurate to their specs on height and cup size (subtract one to get US size). Gingira girls are close to photo accurate, TAE are not. I only know an S-Tier and A-Tier Gingira girl so it's a small sample size, but then again their girls are close to photos so I literally picked an A-Tier ad photo and she turned out to be S-Tier better than her ad (she got more beautiful since her ad was taken). Whereas the other Gingira girl has an S-Tier ad but is A-Tier, still beautiful. TAE girls were A-Tier, B-Tier, and C-Tier. I have never once gotten a girl that was not decent, but if you have to with TAE just give her a small tip "taxi fee" (some shops it's literally just $14). Every shop is different on this, Gingira for example asks foreigners to pay upfront. I was toftt and did it, then I saw the girl that stepped out and forgot about all that.

    Some of the TAE girls are a special combo of amateur but enjoy sex. It's possible one of them enjoyed it even more than me, because she told me to book her for 2 hours next time and I could bang her as long as I wanted. Almost for free. To explain, for 1 hour it was 27.5k to deliver to my room, 20k for fs and bb, 20k to film. In US currency that is $190 + $70 + $70 = $330. At a korg it would be $650, at a corg it would be $750-$850. That's one hour. For two hours, it is 40.5k which is $280. Just $90 more for the 2nd hour ($420 total), she did not ask for a higher tip she enjoyed my service that much. Had she just wanted my money she'd have asked for 1 hour. She did deliver, S-Tier pussy. Since her shop wants options to be secret I can't say her name (girls at some other shops don't care).

    I will now list the S-Tier pussy and A-Tier pussy girls, I'll bury it here so only the best and smartest notice. These are just girls I like and it's just my opinion. It's affected by foreplay and ymmv factors. I specifically avoid girls when they are overworked, and maybe if someone's size is very different than mine it would be different. S-Tier is about top 3% and A-Tier is top 7%, so only top 10% girls are listed.

    Pussy ranking
    S-Tier: Paris, TAE H***** (Japan), Hanni
    A-Tier: Lizza, Krissy, Hani aka Evelyn, Yua, Seven, Monet, Kiko aka Gigi, Viki, Emily SC, Baby Blue, Luna K, Baby Iu, Bona, Jira, Baby Ayaka, Gingira N***** (Japan), Sammy, Sia, Nammy, Leslie K, Nara, Rosie, Allie

    Quote Originally Posted by Download X  [View Original Post]
    About secret options, close to all DH jgirls in Japan offered the basic secret menu (0k to 30k yen). It is always their right to refuse if you don't vibe, I just never had that happen. More than 50% offered the second secret menu (0k to 30k yen). For the ultimate secret menu, 33% offered it no holds barred (20k to 30k), 50% limited and no face (5k to 10k), 17% no go. But with the refusals I got a generous free consolation gift. It is of course between you and the girl and ymmv. 10k is about $69.
    Los Angeles and San Francisco have direct flights to Japan, depending on the plane it is about 9 hours to Japan and 11 hours back (due to trade winds). If you aren't familiar with entering Japan it is super easy if your passport has an auto-waiver for Japan (pretty much every modern country). They've sped up immigration and it took me 90 seconds (including the wait in line), you hand over your disembarkment form (or QR), you scan your passport, you take a photo and fingerprints. That's it. You go downstairs and grab your luggage (this is the longest part), then you go through customs. Most of the time they wave me through in 30 seconds, but sometimes they throw my suitcase into the x-ray and asks me 2-3 questions like why I'm in Japan (tourism), how long I'll stay, etc.. That was just a few minutes. Then you step outside into the airport lobby, I would turn left/right for the currency exchange and buy a Limousine bus ticket to the closest station of your hotel. The Limousine bus is way better than the train to any major destination within the Tokyo and neighboring areas.

    For booking JAV, you just have to scan THC, Tora no Ana, and a bunch of other shops for your girl. I found most through Yoasobi, but there are high end places that don't list with them. For more casual JAV entertainment:
    https://sakaba.sod.co.jp/sodland/#schedule SOD Land (cheap)
    https://r-dragon.jp/en/cast/ Red Dragon (expensive)

    Attached is "who's available" photo I took at SOD Land, taken with permission. Japan takes privacy seriously, but no problem as long as you have permission. Once you are drinking with a JAV star, no photos are allowed but you can ask for a polaroid with them (about $13). Some JAV girls have super extra options, however I don't think it's realistic unless you speak enough Japanese. It is not a secret, it's literally explained on their website but I don't want to emphasize it. Also attached is a promo shot of a Red Dragon girl. If you don't recognize her, then she's not your girl anyways. My advice is to only focus on your top 10 or top 30 JAV girls. Next is the rule list for Sweater Moon, it is pretty conservative the girls will let you do more just do not touch around their pussy. There is also a photo of the 2nd Manzoku building. The guy there still recognized me from a year ago.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails JD Miu 005.jpg‎   JD Miu 010.jpg‎   IMG_3037rr.jpg‎   RD.jpg‎   IMG_3209r.jpg‎  

    IMG_3267r.jpg‎  

  15. #769
    Quote Originally Posted by SsStuntCock  [View Original Post]
    Welp. Looks like she decided to return to the Bay instead. She's currently advertised at SKG through 5/8.
    Damn to think I drove down from the bay last week just to catch her before she leaves and she's back at the bay right after LOL. Thanks for the heads up though!

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