Non Pro's

[LonelyMan718]

Messaged this one and this is the response I got.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...924556b252dacf

She probably should have stayed with that daddy LOL.

[JonLaw]

LOL what a cap.

Messaged this one and this is the response I got.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...924556b252dacf

[Bronco62]

Messaged this one and this is the response I got.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...924556b252dacf

[Marko Ramius]

Called me jaded but most of these women aren't on SA because they got their act together and are organized.

That's pretty correct. The way I see it the Sugar Bowl is where women who are too dysfunctional to be strippers or escorts end up. And a lot of these girls would be gold medalists if being dysfunctional was an Olympic sport.

Some of them can fake it (being a normal adult) for a while bit it inevitably leads to a messy downward spiral.

One of them I saw for a few years in the early 2010s is a Poster Child for how low the bottom can be. She sometimes calls or emails me (inevitably to hit me up for money). Last phone call I got from her she was living in the bushes in Hawaii with some guy and shoplifting for food. She has a fucking masters degree in international business and speaks six languages.

[Twister100]

Thanks for this. One other thing I'm finding is that most these girls are horrible at communicating via text. I would imagine they have 1 K unread texts all the time. Its hard to get them to respond to get details to make sure I'm aligned with them (rate, rules, hosting, etc.). I try to get as much of that info as possible so that the Meet and greet is not a waste of time.

Also, I do not like to pay for Meet and greets. But fiding that harder to find.

Assume they have the attention span of a cat. If you text them, text one subject at a time. If you text three questions in one text they invariably will only respond to one of the questions. Called me jaded but most of these women aren't on SA because they got their act together and are organized.

[RocketMan3]

My advice is don't do this. Most women from the site hate that. Rather, be firm but reasonable on your offer of ppm. If they eventually do offer the ability to host, then you can be open to slightly upping the ppm as you'll still come out ahead.

I had one that wouldn't kiss but she gave great head, took it everywhere, and was always on time and reliable. Normally, no kissing is a totally dealbreaker. Honestly, the meet / greet method gives you a read on the type of woman you're meeting. Many are non pros and act like non pros. They're the best SBs but not always the best sex.

Weirdly, my non-kisser was a total non pro, just irrational about kissing.

Seeking is a time waster. No doubt. The more aggressive you get in trying to set terms immediately, the more many of the women will just ghost.

Thanks for this. One other thing I'm finding is that most these girls are horrible at communicating via text. I would imagine they have 1 K unread texts all the time. Its hard to get them to respond to get details to make sure I'm aligned with them (rate, rules, hosting, etc.). I try to get as much of that info as possible so that the Meet and greet is not a waste of time.

Also, I do not like to pay for Meet and greets. But fiding that harder to find.

[LonelyMan718]

Yeah, kind of the whole reason I go the sugar route is to avoid those LOL But you know if she almost cuts the price immediately, maybe the condom is optional too.

Looks like she just added that opera video to her profile. Something about a women singing in Italian with not much on could get me hard enough to wrap up.

Reporting back on Anna as I saw her last week. She is a tall ex-professional dancer who is now a stripper at Devil's Triangle in SLU. We texted for a bit and she was cold, but still decided to give it a try. Agreed to meet at her place as I am free late mornings. Met her (brought coffee which was a win) and she had a cute little thing on and her apartment is nice. She has average size tits and a small ass, but is very long and gives off great sensual vibes. We chatted for a while, she is pretty easy to chat with and got down to it. It was a good time, she begged for another round even though I had to go so I gave her what she wanted. The condom was a requirement, no negotiating there, but even though she said no kissing we were making out like high school kids pretty quickly. I think she has been burned by clients at the club as well as other SD and is wary. She also might be moving away soon, but I plan on seeing her again.

One huge downside? She has a cat and the place very much smells like she has a cat, which is pretty damn close to a deal breaker for me. But she def is worth the trip again.

[Markro3000]

Any advise on the following:

-if neither can host, working in the cost of the hotel into their rate. So if they want 500 but we need a hotel, then they should take 400.

My advice is don't do this. Most women from the site hate that. Rather, be firm but reasonable on your offer of ppm. If they eventually do offer the ability to host, then you can be open to slightly upping the ppm as you'll still come out ahead.

-getting them off the site and into text is key but found some girls that won't kiss, so it is one of the first things I ask after we agree on a price, what their rules are. Any other tips.

I had one that wouldn't kiss but she gave great head, took it everywhere, and was always on time and reliable. Normally, no kissing is a totally dealbreaker. Honestly, the meet / greet method gives you a read on the type of woman you're meeting. Many are non pros and act like non pros. They're the best SBs but not always the best sex.

Weirdly, my non-kisser was a total non pro, just irrational about kissing.

-any other general tips to save time. Lots of time invested then they don't pan out due to taking forever to text back or schedules don't align.

Seeking is a time waster. No doubt. The more aggressive you get in trying to set terms immediately, the more many of the women will just ghost.

[RocketMan3]

3 weeks in and started off well with a few wins at good rates. What I am running into is not being able to host and many of them are not able too. Of course there is the hotel but that runs up the cost because god forbid they chip in. LOL.

Any advise on the following:

-if neither can host, working in the cost of the hotel into their rate. So if they want 500 but we need a hotel, then they should take 400.

-getting them off the site and into text is key but found some girls that won't kiss, so it is one of the first things I ask after we agree on a price, what their rules are. Any other tips.

-any other general tips to save time. Lots of time invested then they don't pan out due to taking forever to text back or schedules don't align.

[SocratesRvng]

Hit this one up because I liked her pics and she was fairly close. Minimum chatting on the board then to text. She initially asked for 700 ppm but immediately accepted my counter offer. Set up a meet for the same day, had a couple drinks and she was down to fuck. She can't host.

She's a decent kisser, decent head, cums multiple times once you get her going. Nice creamy and fairly tight pussy, took it raw without hesitation. Several positions and a couple orgasms later and I filled her up. Decent get together. She doesn't like fingers inside but likes to be rubbed and have her clit licked.

Be aware that even though the pics are her, they are old and about 30 lbs ago, so instead of a tight body your getting a young MILF with a little baby damage, a pouch tummy and a decent looking but jiggly ass, b cup breasts. Might repeat just because it was convenient and a very easy setup.

No, I won't share her number and you didn't hear anything from me.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-acb1e841eea2

Funny you brought her up, she reached me back on there. Now I have to fill her up. Hopefully won't cause any more baby damage. Fingers crossed.

[Bronco62]

Hit this one up because I liked her pics and she was fairly close. Minimum chatting on the board then to text. She initially asked for 700 ppm but immediately accepted my counter offer. Set up a meet for the same day, had a couple drinks and she was down to fuck. She can't host.

She's a decent kisser, decent head, cums multiple times once you get her going. Nice creamy and fairly tight pussy, took it raw without hesitation. Several positions and a couple orgasms later and I filled her up. Decent get together. She doesn't like fingers inside but likes to be rubbed and have her clit licked.

Be aware that even though the pics are her, they are old and about 30 lbs ago, so instead of a tight body your getting a young MILF with a little baby damage, a pouch tummy and a decent looking but jiggly ass, b cup breasts. Might repeat just because it was convenient and a very easy setup.

No, I won't share her number and you didn't hear anything from me.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-acb1e841eea2

[PriceIsRight39]

Look, it only work as PPM. That way neither the SD gets burned by baby taking money and not seeing the SD and SB don't feel obligated to do things the SD wants but she doesn't. Works both ways and you need to have game to negotiate ppm as an allowance. Meaning she u
nderstands is an allowance given in parts.

Your money, she needs it, tell her what you expect and how it works for you, she don't agree, move on. Game is for normy chicks. 10SBs to every 1 of us. (if only we acted this way). They are sitting on their phones at home more that than want us to believe.

You're a man not a s----
y'all get it.

[Bronco62]

I fucked this one last year when she was in town. She's back in town and reached out but I already have too many in my lineup. Pics are accurate, short thick ginger. The sex was fun but nothing exceptional. She was a lot of fun in the bar before going to the room, great conversation and very outgoing. I don't remember exactly what the damage was but it was in the $400 range.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...a-a4bc020b3bcd

[MyNickname]

Look, it only work as PPM. That way neither the SD gets burned by baby taking money and not seeing the SD and SB don't feel obligated to do things the SD wants but she doesn't. Works both ways and you need to have game to negotiate ppm as an allowance. Meaning she understands is an allowance given in parts.

I'm new to the SB world. How do you send the (monthly?) allowance if it's not PPM? Is there a way you can ensure the (verbal / written?) agreement is met? I'd appreciate your insights.

[PriceIsRight39]

Only way is allowance for services rendered. Good luck with that. You could just agree on a monthly allowance and break it up over the visits you plan to see them. Make sure to take federal and Medicaid out first and send them a W2 at the end of the year.

Joking mostly but, like others have said, ppm or allowance into ppm. One and the same really but they might be more eager to meet up if they know they're banking a set amount over the course of a month. Ya know what, just stick to ppm. I'm getting a headache trying to finagle sense out of this! LOL..

Headache for sure. Regular dating is starting to look appealing. Problem is as an older guy I get hit up by women in their 40's. The ones that got too old for Seeking. Yuk!