Kgirls Rebrands

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Definitely. I will occasionally report things (like a rebrand or a disappointing session), either here or in private messages to trusted brothers. Just recently you can see my comments on Baby Sugar and Anna. But those are exceptions. Both of those girls are popular, so I don't feel like I'm hurting their business by expressing an honest opinion. Generally speaking, though, I don't like saying too many negative things about a k-girl. If I have a bad session, that's my fault. It means I didn't do my homework. I didn't read enough reviews or send enough PMs seeking info from other mongers. I'm not going to blame the girl for that because it's not her fault.

No, it's a good thing. If I think a girl is good, I can't help but say she's good. But I hope others speak up about what they don't like, so guys can make a good decision. Then the average guy who walks in the door is happier, because he picked a girl that matches. She's happier too.

This is why I stick to straightforward descriptions because they tend to line up well, rather than YMMV details that don't even happen to me on a repeat. Like if a girl is short black hair and pale, petite, with large naturals, you are going to get that. Go see that girl by the way, you deserve her. My rosters pass the Furiosa test where you can pick any girl at random and get maybe an 80% match to what's written on average. We aren't going to agree on every detail but she's obviously the girl described more or less. We all know that girl could change her hair one day with extensions or get a tan, or at least we should know that. And it's not like her regulars can't clarify "Yeah she changed that last week" but at the end of the day we are not here to help people who need every detail explained to them. Might as well say nothing to people who are ungrateful. The biggest variable I see is make up, where she will look very different with/without makeup or changing her style, like Jenny used to look just like her photo but changed her make up style and it's less so when I saw her months later.

I try not to write long essays on girls, but for example I wrote my take on Priva but all her ad photos are heavily PS'd or old from years back. The older pics are actually more accurate than the newer pics ironically, even though she's also significantly older. But she got B cup MMs maybe a year ago with a few other changes, so there's no way to win and say one photo matches. She has smaller tits in all her unedited photos. So I just linked to her TER page which has a ton of different ads that are all her in some way. Best I can do, I'm not going to explain it all or my posts would be even longer than they are. But then what someone else like you can do is chime in and note what they think instead. Since you and I have such overlapping taste, it means more to me anyways. It's appreciated.

The HYA motto is simple. Whenever some MILF lover, service hunter, or even like-minded friend frowns at your girl, you say with all sincerity "Don't worry, I'll take good care of her for you."

[Taliesin92]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I can appreciate your caring nature towards someone you've only met once. It's ultimately your choice and money, so as long as are happy with the decision, that's what matters. Although if it hasn't been disclosed already, I would hope you can pass along such rebrand info explicitly or surreptitiously to help others who may not be willing to eat the cost or want to be in that situation.

Definitely. I will occasionally report things (like a rebrand or a disappointing session), either here or in private messages to trusted brothers. Just recently you can see my comments on Baby Sugar and Anna. But those are exceptions. Both of those girls are popular, so I don't feel like I'm hurting their business by expressing an honest opinion. Generally speaking, though, I don't like saying too many negative things about a k-girl. If I have a bad session, that's my fault. It means I didn't do my homework. I didn't read enough reviews or send enough PMs seeking info from other mongers. I'm not going to blame the girl for that because it's not her fault.

[Resilient John]

Somehow I have not unintentionally encountered a rebrand in over a hundred girls. Probably a combo of luck, timing, an intel. Mostly intel, since thanks to you and others I know about the girl I'm seeing 75% of the time. The other 25% I'm in that mood where I don't care who I get. But if I ran into a girl I already saw and didn't want to repeat, I would take your advice. I'd laugh and politely say "Oh I didn't realize" and text the booker explaining it. I need to rehearse this for the day it happens.

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You're spot on on that having good sources of info is key to avoiding rebrands. I think Boner and others like him who choose to share rebrand info feel a bit underappreciated for their efforts. Sure, a mental cursory nod for the info is great and all but sometimes going through the effort to post a thank you can go a long way. Especially when the posting aspect takes what? Two minutes at most? Rebrand info is very important, more so now as it seems to be on the rise. On top of that, I am fairly certain more girls will be flocking in due to the VERY favorable exchange rate, the best in decades. This can be both good and bad. More girls equals more uncertainty in all aspects, we're not going to have a similar or commensurate increase in mongers or reviews for that matter. And within the new flock, rebrands will appear to take advantage of the cover the new crop can provide. The good part is simply more girls, more options.

[Resilient John]

So uh. Do you do this with other goods and services too?

Like the restaurant serves you food that you pay for, and it tastes like athletes foot. But you don't want to hurt their feelings so you finish the meal that tastes like athletes foot and pay for it too. Or is this only applicable to pussy?

I think ResilientJohn is correct here. B&s rebranding shouldn't be tolerated. If everyone is just afraid to hurt the girls feelings it will just get worse. Maybe not for you but for an average Joe who doesn't want read these forums 24/7. It certainly will.

But I guess who cares about fellow average Joe's feelings and money.

Whether someone walk out or not is up to them. I think the more important point is to pass on that info so that it can help others decide.

[Resilient John]

Nope. I'm the opposite. I can't walk out, mostly because I don't want to hurt the girl's feelings. In many years of mongering, I can think of maybe 3 or 4 times that I wanted to walk out, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I just said, F it! She can turn off the lights and give me a HJ. Then I go home disappointed.

Conversely, there also have been a few times when I wanted to walk out INITIALLY, but I wound up having a good time anyway because the girl put in a huge amount of effort. She turned me back in her favor. And even if she wasn't really my type, she got the job done.

So the results have been mixed.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I can appreciate your caring nature towards someone you've only met once. It's ultimately your choice and money, so as long as are happy with the decision, that's what matters. Although if it hasn't been disclosed already, I would hope you can pass along such rebrand info explicitly or surreptitiously to help others who may not be willing to eat the cost or want to be in that situation.

[Resilient John]

They really E Cups?

When I saw her last year, they were MM C's, maybe large C's if you give her the benefit of the doubt and very firm, not rock solid mind you but you can plainly feel them implants. Based on those that saw her as Barbie she has upgraded her tits and I hope they are done well this time. I was planning to see her cause it's quite rare for any kgirl to openly offer video but it looks like she's taken that off the menu and increased her base price. I'll vote with my wallet and just not see her. The Freesia effect is spreading and I don't like it one bit.

[RocketManP]

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[Taliesin92]

So uh. Do you do this with other goods and services too?

Like the restaurant serves you food that you pay for, and it tastes like athletes foot. But you don't want to hurt their feelings so you finish the meal that tastes like athletes foot and pay for it too. Or is this only applicable to pussy?

I think ResilientJohn is correct here. B&s rebranding shouldn't be tolerated. If everyone is just afraid to hurt the girls feelings it will just get worse. Maybe not for you but for an average Joe who doesn't want read these forums 24/7. It certainly will.

But I guess who cares about fellow average Joe's feelings and money.

So uh, there's a big difference between some sloppy food, who no one cares about, and rejecting a hard-working young woman's sexual advances to her face because you don't like her. Especially when it was YOUR decision to see her in the first place.

It's just money, dude. A few pieces of paper that get more & more worthless every day. The girl is a human being. So, yes, I will spare her feelings and stay for the appointment. As I noted in my post, sometimes it works out. Sometimes the girl comes through. And sometimes she doesn't. That's just part of the game.

If the "average Joe" can't afford to handle a bad appointment every once in a while, this probably isn't the best hobby for him.

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The aftermath: I can only speak for myself and one other case where someone did get BL. For me, all bookers involved were understanding. Some even apologized, others said they weren't aware, while others took it in stride as part of the business. With so many cross listing these days, I think the minuscule risk of BL is inconsequential to the power we are have in a walk out, in denying a predatory tactic that essentially cons your customers into a situation they don't want to be in.

Anyone else walked out before? If you don't want to share, that's fine too, but a simple confirmation that you have would be appreciated nonetheless.

Somehow I have not unintentionally encountered a rebrand in over a hundred girls. Probably a combo of luck, timing, an intel. Mostly intel, since thanks to you and others I know about the girl I'm seeing 75% of the time. The other 25% I'm in that mood where I don't care who I get. But if I ran into a girl I already saw and didn't want to repeat, I would take your advice. I'd laugh and politely say "Oh I didn't realize" and text the booker explaining it. I need to rehearse this for the day it happens.

The good news is some bookers understand this and are helpful, here is someone giving the rundown on Get9 in SD:

It is one of those rare times when they have a full house and you can't go wrong with any of them.

Allie: the GOAT. I have no words left to describe her greatness except to say she has shown the right girl can thrive over a long time even in a small market like SD with its dominant AMP scene.

Amy: eat your wheaties. She will fu*k your brains out.

Krissy: doesn't get better for TNA lovers, one of the tightest.

Daniel: classic beach blondie (a rare look that she pulls off well), epic fu*k face.

Also, a shoutout to the get9 booker who I highly recommend:

-professional and courteous.

-honest: told me I had already seen a (unknown to me, rebranded) girl.

-only booker who expends resources on hx ads.

-website has the most info and is always up to date.

https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/Magic.Laid

https://get9irl.com/

P.S.: we may see even more girls at this org in the near future.

Totally agree on the website, girls are removed when they leave. Rates and menu clearly listed with even a label on the bottom left of each portrait saying GFE or special. I'm unusual in that I've had generally good experiences with every booker. The problems are not with them.

Nope. I'm the opposite. I can't walk out, mostly because I don't want to hurt the girl's feelings. In many years of mongering, I can think of maybe 3 or 4 times that I wanted to walk out, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I just said, F it! She can turn off the lights and give me a HJ. Then I go home disappointed.

Conversely, there also have been a few times when I wanted to walk out INITIALLY, but I wound up having a good time anyway because the girl put in a huge amount of effort. She turned me back in her favor. And even if she wasn't really my type, she got the job done.

I'm the same way. Unless it's a rebrand (which hasn't happened yet), I don't walk on a girl based on appearances. I usually have a good time with MILFs. Among all my korg visits, I was happy with 80% of girls, 15% were fine (if I knew I would have picked another girl, but I had fun and don't regret it), 5% were bad. I'd say I would repeat with 40% of girls, aiming for the top 20% but taking another 20% as backup.

You and I are similar like that. I was once in a jgirl's arms and she was telling me her roommate opened the door and the guy turned and walked. Her roommate was a MILF, solid service but some guys have a limit on looks. This was my second visit to this jgirl and she said "But you wouldn't have done that I guess". Yep.

If it were a rebrand I didn't want to repeat though, that's different. I already know I don't want to repeat her a 2nd time. But with some new random MILF I haven't seen, 80% chance I'm happy. 0% vs 80% satisfaction rate. I don't mind taking a chance with someone new.

[RocketManP]

Nope. I'm the opposite. I can't walk out, mostly because I don't want to hurt the girl's feelings. In many years of mongering, I can think of maybe 3 or 4 times that I wanted to walk out, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I just said, F it! She can turn off the lights and give me a HJ. Then I go home disappointed.

Conversely, there also have been a few times when I wanted to walk out INITIALLY, but I wound up having a good time anyway because the girl put in a huge amount of effort. She turned me back in her favor. And even if she wasn't really my type, she got the job done.

So the results have been mixed.

So uh. Do you do this with other goods and services too?

Like the restaurant serves you food that you pay for, and it tastes like athletes foot. But you don't want to hurt their feelings so you finish the meal that tastes like athletes foot and pay for it too. Or is this only applicable to pussy?

I think ResilientJohn is correct here. B&s rebranding shouldn't be tolerated. If everyone is just afraid to hurt the girls feelings it will just get worse. Maybe not for you but for an average Joe who doesn't want read these forums 24/7. It certainly will.

But I guess who cares about fellow average Joe's feelings and money.

[Omfgitzjin]

I am 80% certain that's her. It seems like everyone Boner still praises as hot and young want to raise their rate by 50. Should I start gatekeeping if a girl seems busy enough?

Contact: (click here) 5'4" 33 E 100 lbs.

They really E Cups?

[Taliesin92]

Anyone else walked out before? If you don't want to share, that's fine too, but a simple confirmation that you have would be appreciated nonetheless.

Nope. I'm the opposite. I can't walk out, mostly because I don't want to hurt the girl's feelings. In many years of mongering, I can think of maybe 3 or 4 times that I wanted to walk out, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I just said, F it! She can turn off the lights and give me a HJ. Then I go home disappointed.

Conversely, there also have been a few times when I wanted to walk out INITIALLY, but I wound up having a good time anyway because the girl put in a huge amount of effort. She turned me back in her favor. And even if she wasn't really my type, she got the job done.

So the results have been mixed.

[Resilient John]

Seeing as how rebranding has become so common nowadays, I wanted to stem the tide by just putting out there some suggestions and recommendations for those that may find themselves in such a situation in the future. Bear in mind that this is just my own approach and principles in regards to how I conduct myself and how I see myself fit into the kgirl world. First and foremost, is that as a paying customer, I reserve the right to refuse to see anyone for any reason. But, in this case, it's mainly because they are a rebrand and in extreme cases it's because I'm catfished so bad, my libido just shrivels up. Unless it's of my own volition, I do not want to see anyone that I have seen before. Fortunately, it does not happen often. In all my years of mongering with kgirls, I've walked out maybe 5 or 6 times because of the reasons mentioned above.

Next is to set the expectation your booker (s) of choice. Some guys might be averse to such pointed conversations / confrontations so I'll provide another less straight forward interaction. But ideally you want to be upfront and let the booker know that you do not like rebrands and refuse to see them. But do realize that sometimes, the bookers themselves may not know that she rebranded. For those that want to avoid this approach, I would recommend before booking someone new to ask around on the forums if someone knows if a particular girl has reinvented herself. In addition, asking the booker if she's new. Some bookers may divulge the info if they know it, others may say that they are new to them. The goal here is to set an implied expectation that if the girl isn't new and someone you've already seen, you may walk out if you don't want to go through with it.

So you standing in front of the door, a bit nervous, a bit anxious, and a whole lot of excited to see whose behind the door. It opens to reveals someone that you've already seen. Now, for me, I've been in both situations where I'm disappointed and walked out OR I'm happy to see her again and resume the normal course of events. We'll talk about the former. Try not to show too much disappointment, regardless of who pushed for the rebrand, pointing fingers and voicing your (probably angry) frustration and complaint isn't going to do anyone any good in this situation. Also DON'T fall into some misguided obligation that you need to suck it up and see her anyways. You have every right to walk, just as she has every right to refuse to see someone. It goes both ways. Don't feel that you have to walk on egg shells to get on the good side of bookers. I always find the next part awkward and there really isn't anything to do but be honest and say I don't want to see you again. Once you leave, immediately text the booker that you are walking and why. It is critical to not leave them hanging. It also serves another important role: to inform the booker, girl, and owner that rebrands are not appreciated and tolerated. The more walk outs happen, the more their bottom line is affected. Coupled with calling out rebrands and nipping it in the bud before a walk out situation happens, IMO, is effective in curbing the rise of rebrands.

The aftermath: I can only speak for myself and one other case where someone did get BL. For me, all bookers involved were understanding. Some even apologized, others said they weren't aware, while others took it in stride as part of the business. With so many cross listing these days, I think the minuscule risk of BL is inconsequential to the power we are have in a walk out, in denying a predatory tactic that essentially cons your customers into a situation they don't want to be in.

Anyone else walked out before? If you don't want to share, that's fine too, but a simple confirmation that you have would be appreciated nonetheless.

[Resilient John]

I am 80% certain that's her. It seems like everyone Boner still praises as hot and young want to raise their rate by 50. Should I start gatekeeping if a girl seems busy enough?

Contact: (click here) 5'4" 33 E 100 lbs.

Good eye. I was going to sound the alarm too. TopAngels actually has her explicitly listed as Baby Peach so there you go.

[Heizenberg]

There is a recent trend of changing a girl's name and photo and then charging a lot more for her.

Lately there's three times I stop mentioning a girl. One is if the girl herself feels overwhelmed, she's getting worn out and cancelling appointments. Even getting hurt without time to recover. People come first, whether customers or girls. Another situation is when a girl returns to tour, I might only PM her regulars and reviewers so they have first chance. Those guys are guaranteed to be happy and might get in an extra repeat too if they start early. Nice enough too for a girl to start her tour happy. Low risk, easy money, win win.

The last case is if a girl is overpriced. I don't want people to feel ripped off, even if the girl is worth seeing. This is what I said about it:

Premium Rate Girls
I myself wouldnt mind being overcharged 30 or 40, I can spare that. But 90% of people might make one appointment a month or so. It's the highlight of their month, and I cant recommend an overpriced girl to them. If they don't like the girl, the premium rate just rubs the wrong way and makes them want to quit it all.

We've talked about how every SBC girl 400 and under was overpriced. It's unanimous from many customers I've asked. The girls were no different in quality than the 300-350 girls in town. There were actually better girls for lower rates. And to be clear among the 400 and under girls: one is a MILF, one is kind of plain looking, another below average, another thick and heavily tattooed. Perfectly acceptable at 300-350.

I want to do my part and describe what is good about these girls, for a guy who likes her to see her at 300-350. I can't recommend any of the girls for 370-410. Whereas I can actually recommend Daisy at 450/600 in contrast.

The metric everyone is saying is "If a girl is a lot more expensive, she should be much better". 100% right. Freesia and Daisy are much better. I think they're worth their rate, especially when they are fresh and make fantastic effort. SBC seems to pad appointments to give girls extra rest, even an hour padding it seems - that's a legit benefit to the customer and I got it. Daisy was at 100% energy when I saw her. Daisy is still learning, but she really puts in the effort which is what counts. She's going to get even better. Of course with Daisy I know other guys are on a budget, so all I can do is say "she was worth it for me". They have to decide themselves.

Overbranding
The other theme people agree on is SBC is using Freesia and Daisy as a brand to sell many regular girls at a higher rate. Without even having Freesia. Stephanie was the best example. I actually would see her and be happy, but obviously many guys would not. They are disappointed because there are better girls for less from their perspective. That's the problem of "changing a girl's name and photo and then charging more for her". They should just raise her rate and let people complain, but not walk in and get disappointed.

If you keep a girl's name and raise her rate, only happy people will walk in and see her. Who cares about the complaints then. It's worse when you hide it. Then the complainers are actual customers who walked in, get surprised, and feel disappointed.

In the great words of Rick james "pussy is a hell of a drug".