Non Pro's

[PriceIsRight39]

Hi yes, I do live in Seattle area, and I am pretty financially stable, not super rich or anything. I know Seeking is a bad place to look for LTR (as most women on there are not girlfriend / wife materials based on my experience), but I wonder if there are any alternative sites that works well for men for LTR? So far, nothing I typically do that I can efficiently meet attractive women in their 20's-30's in real life though. Do you guys have any ideas?

Don't know one personally but I'd invest in professional matchmaker if you're looking for a serious women. It's an investment but may save you time and perhaps all.

Of what you've worked for! Maybe. I'm sure there's a good one in Bellevue area.

[PriceIsRight39]

https://cuddlecompanions.org/cuddler/snugglebuggy23/

Was curious what she looked like and clicked the link. Everyone has their thing but. Come on boys! Really? Haha.

Had to break why'all's balls.

[BillAbc]

I assume you live in Seattle area? Do you go out or engage in social events (not the clubs)? Country club, cigars, something? Are you in the best shape you could possibly be in? Do you know how to dress like a man (many of us got out like our sons) Top of your career? IMO (worth a fart in the wind) dating apps are the WORSE places to look for a LTR. For sugar puss sure, but tinder is going to get you mugged these days! Women that are more serious (and you can still get burned) about finding a guy will go where the successful men gather. Lazy azz women are on SM sites! Men too. Now if you go where the Seahawks chill after a game then them ho's lookin for a Bently haha. Maybe not there. It's hard now because women live in a world of delusion and fairy tales. Get out and see if where you mingle attracts what you want. A network of fellas will know women that know women. You could always make more money (the more you make the better they look!) if you're rounding up mud ducks! There is a trad wife thing trending so maybe. I saw some Amish beauties not long ago on you tube! LOL Get yourself up first man! Seeking to me is for playdates and scammers! If you have the option, get out of Seattle if this is where you have been a long time. There some find ass women in other places. Bigger pool of women waters down the delusion. A tad. Haha.

Hi yes, I do live in Seattle area, and I am pretty financially stable, not super rich or anything. I know Seeking is a bad place to look for LTR (as most women on there are not girlfriend / wife materials based on my experience), but I wonder if there are any alternative sites that works well for men for LTR? So far, nothing I typically do that I can efficiently meet attractive women in their 20's-30's in real life though. Do you guys have any ideas?

[SocratesRvng]

She was also mentioned in the cuddle section on 11-17.

https://cuddlecompanions.org/cuddler/snugglebuggy23/

Talked to her 3 months ago from SA and texting off the site and everything was good to go with BBFS. We didn't see eye to eye on the donation so I passed. Well, in the midst of you guys bringing her up again, I hit the link and it must have notified her I viewed her profile and she messaged me again and wanted to text offline. We chat a bit and after seeing multiple reviews on here about her and not REALLY being attracted to her, I was pretty straight forward and not beating around the Bush. I asked what she was open to and she said all three holes. I said I have a creampie kink. Her response was I'm not comfortable with unprotected. I said, "okay. I understand. " She responded, "Is that a dealbreaker?" I said, "It is. But thanks for reaching out again. " Of course she was pussy and responded "Well, I think that's really BIZARRE. But okay ✌65039;.

I just finalized by saying "why even say anything? Just move on. " Blocked her and that was it. What's really bizarre is raw dogging or agreeing to it in one moment and then acting holier than thou in another. Anyway, no one's missing anything with her. She is definitely the village bicycle on SA. Going back to MPnD's guidance, this is a perfect example of one you do NOT want to connect with if you're looking for quality SB. She is one you call when you're dry and want a sure thing.

So-Crates.

[SocratesRvng]

Thanks! How is sugaring in vancouver? I've thought about checking it out but never really made an effort. To me the resturants seem much better in vancouver which makes weekend trips fun. Is the price point similar to Seattle but in CAD? When I skimmed the site it seemed like a lot of asians (not that I'm complaining).

Ill have to let you know; this is the first time I'm connecting with someone across the border.

She doesn't have a passport so I'll have to head up there but she's pretty adventurous. She wants to try a meet at Peace Arch Park and bring a tent to play in order to save me from driving the whole distance. And neither of us technically have to cross the border, apparently? Anyone heard of the arch being a neutral point between the two?

This particular chick quoted me 100-300 for meet (no sex) and 400-800 with all holes open. I almost blocked her but something told me to ask if CAD or USD. She said CAD and I rushed to Google to do the conversion and I've never been so happy about the strength of the USD to CAD. LOL I talked her to 350 CAD all in (BBFS and Greek) and she was more than happy. Talks have been great so far. I'm busy until after the holidays so I'll have to wait to connect with her.

So-Crates.

[Berol Loz]

Also just to provide more advice / info, there some sugar babies that are ideal for what I am looking for. My ideal sugar baby is someone who enjoys spending time with me and I enjoy spending time with. My ideal sugar baby is not someone I can do the craziest sex acts with for the lowest price.

Some key things I look for / do are.
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Thanks, this is solid advice. A few things, there are defaintley a lot more strippers / escorts than there used to be pre-covid. I think a lot of them found their way there during that thing and didn't leave.

Like the part about not making them ask for money, bareback seems to just happen most of the time, at least in my experience. The problem is some guys start using hooker language and the girls assume you see a bunch of escorts and must be carrying something. Watch your language and you're in.

[MrPumpNDump]

Is everyone writing this down?

I would tweak a thing or two but not much. Especially that start, treat it like gospel; new accounts with imperfect pics are always a great target. It's how I got the two I'm playing with now and the third I'm about to play with at the Canada border (she's in Vancouver). You don't have to follow it but there's a very basic start for you.

Good notes, MPnP.

So-Crates.

Thanks! How is sugaring in vancouver? I've thought about checking it out but never really made an effort. To me the resturants seem much better in vancouver which makes weekend trips fun. Is the price point similar to Seattle but in CAD? When I skimmed the site it seemed like a lot of asians (not that I'm complaining).

[JSnake921]

She was also mentioned in the cuddle section on 11-17.

https://cuddlecompanions.org/cuddler/snugglebuggy23/

Is this cuddle companion stuff strickly cuddling? Even when traveling?

[PriceIsRight39]

Hi guys, I have a question not sure if anyone has good answer for me:

I have used seeking, but now I also want something more meaningful and maybe start a family one day. Is there any sites like Seeking I can join, but mainly for dating and LTR?

It is just mainstream apps haven't worked for me and I am looking for a site that is easier for men to get dates in general. I don't mind paying membership or spend some money etc. If it actually works.

Any input would help. Thanks!

I assume you live in Seattle area? Do you go out or engage in social events (not the clubs)? Country club, cigars, something? Are you in the best shape you could possibly be in? Do you know how to dress like a man (many of us got out like our sons) Top of your career? IMO (worth a fart in the wind) dating apps are the WORSE places to look for a LTR. For sugar puss sure, but tinder is going to get you mugged these days! Women that are more serious (and you can still get burned) about finding a guy will go where the successful men gather. Lazy azz women are on SM sites! Men too. Now if you go where the Seahawks chill after a game then them ho's lookin for a Bently haha. Maybe not there. It's hard now because women live in a world of delusion and fairy tales. Get out and see if where you mingle attracts what you want. A network of fellas will know women that know women. You could always make more money (the more you make the better they look!) if you're rounding up mud ducks! There is a trad wife thing trending so maybe. I saw some Amish beauties not long ago on you tube! LOL Get yourself up first man! Seeking to me is for playdates and scammers! If you have the option, get out of Seattle if this is where you have been a long time. There some find ass women in other places. Bigger pool of women waters down the delusion. A tad. Haha.

[ScotchYoke]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...d-f7dffbe1fdd5

Very sensual woman who is into waterworks. BBFS YMMV. 300.

PM if you have other contacts to exchange. Looking to retire a couple more from rotation.

She was also mentioned in the cuddle section on 11-17.

https://cuddlecompanions.org/cuddler/snugglebuggy23/

[DelToro]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...d-f7dffbe1fdd5

Very sensual woman who is into waterworks. BBFS YMMV. 300.

PM if you have other contacts to exchange. Looking to retire a couple more from rotation.

YMMV indeed. It was all covered with me.

[GameMaker007]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...d-f7dffbe1fdd5

Very sensual woman who is into waterworks. BBFS YMMV. 300.

PM if you have other contacts to exchange. Looking to retire a couple more from rotation.

[SocratesRvng]

Is everyone writing this down?

I would tweak a thing or two but not much. Especially that start, treat it like gospel; new accounts with imperfect pics are always a great target. It's how I got the two I'm playing with now and the third I'm about to play with at the Canada border (she's in Vancouver). You don't have to follow it but there's a very basic start for you.

Good notes, MPnP.

So-Crates.

Also just to provide more advice / info, there some sugar babies that are ideal for what I am looking for. My ideal sugar baby is someone who enjoys spending time with me and I enjoy spending time with. My ideal sugar baby is not someone I can do the craziest sex acts with for the lowest price.

Some key things I look for / do are.


Pre Screening.

1. Very new to the site. This means that they are not likely jaded and can buy into the fantasy that they are "spoiled by a rich man" and not a sexworker.

This leads to some issues. A lot of people who are very new to site are fake / scammers. But the best finds are also very new to the site.

2. Does not use escort terminology / professional vibes. For example calling me "babe" or "hun".

3. Is not a stripper / does not have strip club pics.

[MrPumpNDump]

Also just to provide more advice / info, there some sugar babies that are ideal for what I am looking for. My ideal sugar baby is someone who enjoys spending time with me and I enjoy spending time with. My ideal sugar baby is not someone I can do the craziest sex acts with for the lowest price.

Some key things I look for / do are.


Pre Screening.

1. Very new to the site. This means that they are not likely jaded and can buy into the fantasy that they are "spoiled by a rich man" and not a sexworker.

This leads to some issues. A lot of people who are very new to site are fake / scammers. But the best finds are also very new to the site.

2. Does not use escort terminology / professional vibes. For example calling me "babe" or "hun".

3. Is not a stripper / does not have strip club pics.

Strippers are the worst set of sugar babies. They milk you for money and are annoying.

4. Does not necessarily have the best photos. Some of the best finds I've had are girls who are very attractive but don't have "model level" or even "instagram level" photo quality.


Before Meeting.

1. Do not mention sex / expectations unless they bring it up.

2. Do not mention PPM / money unless they bring it up.

3. Just try to get them to agree to dinner and take them to a semi nice restaurant.


Important things to figure out, either via text or at first meeting.

1. Do they view spending more time with you as a plus or minus. For example, do they view you taking them out to dinner as a benefit or additional work. Do they view potential travel with you as a benefit or additional work. Do they view staying overnight as convenient or extra work (don't read too much into overnights though, some girls just don't want to stay over with some dude they just met).

2. Do they rely on sugaring as a primary or secondary income. Secondary is much better than primary because they will view your money as an addition to their life ("wow this bag I can get because my sugar daddy is around is great" Primary income means that they are either seeing a bunch of guys or they look at you as their meal ticket, both are bad.

3. Probably goes without saying but, do they have a pleasant personality and seem like they get along with you.


Important things about first time hooking up.

1. Do not push for crazy sex acts. I push for BBFS and that's about it, but if I think a girl is a good find I may use condoms the first couple of times.

2. Do not push for sex on the first date, sometimes it is very possible but for a lot of girls it is a negative.


First few times seeing them.

1. Do not make them ask for money / ppm.

2. Make sure to do a bit extra to spoil them, maybe get them an expensive drink they want, or a gift in the 100-200 range that they like.

3. Do not try to convince them to date you. If they like you, they will start thinking to themselves "wow this guy is really awesome, I can't believe he is paying me to be with him".

4. If it seems like she doesn't like you that much, just drop here and don't try to convince her.

Some of you may look at me sarcastically and be like "gee guy if you're so great why do you have to pay for it. " As I mentioned, I treat seeking as paying for access, I wouldn't have access to hot women in their 20's without it. You could say I should work on that, but seeking works for me.

Anyways that's about all I feel like writing. Not saying everyone is looking for the same thing as me. However, I've had a lot of success with "girlfriend experience" sugar babies in the reasonable 300-500 PPM range. A decent portion of these also have been open to dating me (they bring it up not me).

[MrPumpNDump]

If she's on any of these sites, they are not worth seriously dating. They are here to trade their time and bodies for money, despite whatever delusional way they justify it. We are looking for something to spend our time on. Don't let yourself be given to delusions either, you are a customer and this isn't Pretty Woman. A woman who relies on this sort of thing for fast money or supplemental income is not a good prospect for anything serious, and very few girls on the "Civvy" apps are for that matter. If you want to meet someone to date seriously, do it the old fashioned way outside of these sites, you can meet far higher quality women though the gym, social clubs, events.

I know it can be tough to do it the old fashioned way, but if you're striking out, you might need some self evaluation to see what you can improve.

I think it depends on what you are looking for. I wouldn't date that vast majority of women I meet on seeking but I also wouldn't date the vast majority of women I meet IRL. I really see seeking as paying for access, as I mentioned before.

To put it in a blunt way, if a woman is not my peer, I don't care if she makes 80 k or 40 k, I'd rather have someone who is hot and fun to be around. Could I change things about myself? Sure, but this is a sex worker review board, I doubt anyone here is Ryan Reynolds.