Escort Reports

[BlindDiscovery]

As the subject suggests, do you guys usually do QV, HHR, or HR? I ask because I've been doing HHR but it seems like after I do the deed with these SWs, which takes much less than HHR, they want me to leave. It's like they won't bluntly outright tell me "okay time for you to go," but they'll get up and be like "well, it was nice meeting you" as if to cue me to leave. I'll know that less than HHR has passed, but at the same time, it feels awkward to say something like "wait hold on, only x minutes have passed. " Don't get me wrong, I know time is money for these ladies, and they just want to move on to their next buck, and I respect that it's their body their rules, but when we purchase these times, are we actually just purchasing time until we bust a nut rather than total time spent with them? Please enlighten me. Also, what do you guys usually go for (QV, HHR, or HR) and how do your sessions usually play out (like from the moment you're greeted at the door until you leave)?

Usually just a qv bc like you said, after they're ready for the next one.

HR if it's a lazy day and if they are MSOG friendly.

It's ultimately up to you. Sometimes you'll just want something quick.

Most of the time even clock watchers don't start when they greet you at the door, they wait until you get started.

Best is to read reviews and see if the person is a clock watcher and MSOG, then decide based on what you want at the moment.

[Download X]

I'm definitely curious about what's going to happen. On one hand, it would seem like NC would be the destination that providers would want to operate in. I mean, they can't be charged for solicitation anymore. In theory, their risk just went way, way down and they have all the legal leverage in the transaction. I mean, if you are having a disagreement with them in the room, they can just call the cops now.

I'm going to talk about the practical effects. Anyone can threaten to call the cops, no matter the law of course. But most people will not actually call the cops in such a situation. For example one landlord wanted to evict a korg and threatened to call the cops if they didn't agree to terminate the lease. So they agreed, and slowly moved out over several weeks. The landlord does not want a bad rep, actually calling the cops is unthinkable unless they have no other choice to get rid of them. For various reasons, calling the cops is not a common thing. But the possibility is used to scare people and drive them off.

Note that threatening to call the cops unless you pay an extra fee is extortion, no matter the legality of calling the cops without that threat. For example I'll call the cops that you stole $100 unless you give me $500 is a felony. Way worse than the alleged theft. Same with "I'll post X unless you give me why" This is why when you have a legit situation you use a lawyer who will not use threatening language that breaks the law, but can frame it as a settlement. Which is legal. If someone tries to extort you, you're in luck because they messed up and you can ignore them. They are not going to admit to a felony, it is generally much worse than what they are threatening you over.

Next I want to point out business will probably not be up. This is simply a result of competition. Girls do not go "where the law is easy", they go where the customers are. Always. Because there are a couple spots in the US where it is 100% legal but you don't see girls flocking to rural Nevada. Just not how girls think.

Enforcement is very state-by-state. In California they repealed the loitering law because cops were harassing innocent civilians for dressing a certain way, especially if they were a certain race. Now, there are streetwalkers around. It is still illegal to solicit but the loitering law made the job super easy (and super abusive towards innocents).

In New York, enforcement is down 100-fold:

https://gothamist.com/news/there-use...-now-about-100

People are literally taking the train and flying in to NYC for fun. Enforcement is way down in CA too, and most states. It is not even a drop of water in a bucket. In NYC millions of cocks get turned a year. Everybody goes on with their lives and are happy. Most places are run so as to not cause trouble. Even if not enforced they don't want to be evicted, they want everyone to be happy.

This illustrates it is not the law that matters but whether or not it is even enforced. In certain states it is a misdemeanor but also not even enforced. I post in the COI (City of Industry) strip club forums, gone there for years. It is a non-stop fuck fest. Only the local police are responsible to investigate, but they don't. If anything, it helps the community and the clubs cause no trouble other than bring money in. Everybody is happy. Every few years the police raid for drugs and weapons, completely ignore the sex. They do this when they hear someone got hurt and that's their response. It is not a federal crime so the feds won't touch it. The state leaves it to each police district. So other cities don't have as much fun as COI, it varies from city to city. Just how it is.

For every problem there is a solution. Many locals will stick local but the big money will be elsewhere in the very worst case. And that's where the girls will go to work.

[MmceStep]

My question then becomes does this law apply to sites like SA or CC? What about girls trying to be picked up via IG or SC? The ramifications of this seem far reaching.

It's certainly possible. The only question is whether or not LEO wants to investigate this area. I could see a situation where you're on an S&A Meet and Greet over coffee or dinner and you mention sex and get busted by a decoy. I only really use SA for relationship arrangements, but I've had some really disgruntled babies after I broke up with them 3-4 months in. They really enjoy the lifestyle of being able to fly out on vacations and not pay for anything. They get pissed when the faucet turns off. I actually had to get a Personal Protection Order out for one of them, who camped on my doorstep, went to my employer etc. She wanted to destroy me. As soon as I broke up with her she threatened to expose my SA messages to my employer, my kids etc. When she did that I deleted my SA account immediately, right while she was still in my place. And man was she pissed about that 20 minutes later when she got home and tried to screenshot everything. Had this law been in place then, I guarantee you she would call LEO and say she had been trafficked, with all the screenshots and messages. Would LEO follow-up on that? I don't know the answer, but I know that as she was stalking me, the detectives involved were actually catching her in the act of stalking me and treating her like the 'poor heartbroken young lady' (she was hot, LOL), and every time she threw bullshit back at me they came to question me about it. There was a huge bias. I said to one of the detectives, "C'Mon. Man, if your people caught me looking through her windows at 2 am I would be in the back of a police car. " He said, "Probably" So, your question is something I wouldn't rule out. But I think the conditions would have to be right.

[Doctor Detroit]

https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...eigh/178781327#.

She's been posting for roughly 3-4 weeks.

[Luker86]

As the subject suggests, do you guys usually do QV, HHR, or HR? I ask because I've been doing HHR but it seems like after I do the deed with these SWs, which takes much less than HHR, they want me to leave. It's like they won't bluntly outright tell me "okay time for you to go," but they'll get up and be like "well, it was nice meeting you" as if to cue me to leave. I'll know that less than HHR has passed, but at the same time, it feels awkward to say something like "wait hold on, only x minutes have passed. " Don't get me wrong, I know time is money for these ladies, and they just want to move on to their next buck, and I respect that it's their body their rules, but when we purchase these times, are we actually just purchasing time until we bust a nut rather than total time spent with them? Please enlighten me. Also, what do you guys usually go for (QV, HHR, or HR) and how do your sessions usually play out (like from the moment you're greeted at the door until you leave)?

[ScottiePimp]

Of course they are targeting the demand. The supply has pretty much nothing to lose. It's why we see these girls on the mugshot websites again and again and again.

Guys, get mentally prepared for a new hobby in Dec. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Still, I know some of you are hardheaded and won't listen; can't wait to see you on WRAL. I wonder if the only viable workaround would be funding sugarbabies

I think the only potential workaround is to secure some providers beforehand that will agree to never discuss money again. You guys have your agreement. You show up, do the deed, and leave her donation after. If she mentions anything regarding money, you tell her that's illegal and bounce. I'm sure there are still holes in that strategy but it's the best I can come up with.

[KillDatAss4479]

It really is COOP. It's clear this law isn't about what's right or wrong to them. They want to dry up the market and put the no-tell motels out of business. They think attacking supply won't dry up the hobby, so they're going after demand.

I have a number of real problems with this: 1. They're saying the 'victim', a likely hard drug user who does this crime 20 times per day is now 'innocent' and the john who perhaps does this crime once every 1-3 months is the criminal. That's hard to justify. What is giving a junkie $12 k going to do? That smells like a lot of funerals to me. 2. These drug using women and their junkie handlers are using this hobby as a way to buy their drugs. They won't be quitting if / when the market dries up, we all know this. So, maybe they instead start robbing people out for a night on the town at knifepoint? Going after a relatively victimless crime and pushing the junkies into perhaps violent crimes or more property crimes instead? Makes little sense. Except that it's what the morality police want.

Of course they are targeting the demand. The supply has pretty much nothing to lose. It's why we see these girls on the mugshot websites again and again and again.

Guys, get mentally prepared for a new hobby in Dec. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Still, I know some of you are hardheaded and won't listen; can't wait to see you on WRAL. I wonder if the only viable workaround would be funding sugarbabies

[ScotRapp]

I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.

My question then becomes does this law apply to sites like SA or CC? What about girls trying to be picked up via IG or SC? The ramifications of this seem far reaching.

[MmceStep]

Here's the hard part for me to understand. It's illegal for someone to pay for it but it's not illegal for someone to offer it for sale. That's just fucked up.

It really is COOP. It's clear this law isn't about what's right or wrong to them. They want to dry up the market and put the no-tell motels out of business. They think attacking supply won't dry up the hobby, so they're going after demand.

I have a number of real problems with this: 1. They're saying the 'victim', a likely hard drug user who does this crime 20 times per day is now 'innocent' and the john who perhaps does this crime once every 1-3 months is the criminal. That's hard to justify. What is giving a junkie $12 k going to do? That smells like a lot of funerals to me. 2. These drug using women and their junkie handlers are using this hobby as a way to buy their drugs. They won't be quitting if / when the market dries up, we all know this. So, maybe they instead start robbing people out for a night on the town at knifepoint? Going after a relatively victimless crime and pushing the junkies into perhaps violent crimes or more property crimes instead? Makes little sense. Except that it's what the morality police want.

[MmceStep]

I foresee many "I can't believe she did that to me" posts on this board. I don't care how well you think you know a provider. They will be enticed to rat you out and not think twice about it. I could even see them proactively reaching out to providers with past records that they know still provide to try and get on board as informants. I thought I had a strategy to beat LEO on this, but I'm considering leaving the hobby all together at this point. The only thing I'm wondering is if judges will be willing to change the charge from solicitation to something else to avoid jail time if you cooperate. Any thoughts there as a lawyer?

So, in NC the Prosecutor would be required to do that, as they've removed Prayer For Judgment. I don't see that happening, unless they have a really weak case. The way these new laws all intersect, they aren't going to have many weak cases. I mean, intent?? That's easy to prove. They'll be able to prove that 3 or 4 different ways once you show up at the incall parking lot. Before you even say anything. The Judge can't alter charges, go outside the sentencing guidelines or consider your spotless record. I would imagine more liberal judges (and I know who several of them are, and a couple are not happy about this law) will probably be more inclined to give you the minimum 4 months, and the conservative judges are probably going to lecture you on how you're destroying the community, your family, tell you to find Jesus in jail and give you more time. Basically the legislature along with the family values PAC (that they felt pressured by) removed Prayer For Judgment as a last ditch amendment to the bill. It's a very dirty tactic. This forces the judges in more liberal counties to have to use the bench to legislate their morality.

After doing a really deep dive on this, this law is waaay worse than the Texas law, and it's no wonder the two FBI Human Trafficking Teams intend to camp here for awhile.

[CoopDawg]

I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.

Here's the hard part for me to understand. It's illegal for someone to pay for it but it's not illegal for someone to offer it for sale. That's just fucked up.

[CasCas]

Another Sunday ruined.

I trusted her because I did an incall with her last October. But this time she did an outcall, and right after I sent the CashApp money, she claimed she had to pay her driver. And surprise, surprise, she never came back. I am not rich folks. I am just an incel trying to have a nice time. I didn't deserve this, and none of you deserve it either. Good luck!

https://skipthegames.com/posts/ralei...l/583271661299

[ScottiePimp]

I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.

I foresee many "I can't believe she did that to me" posts on this board. I don't care how well you think you know a provider. They will be enticed to rat you out and not think twice about it. I could even see them proactively reaching out to providers with past records that they know still provide to try and get on board as informants. I thought I had a strategy to beat LEO on this, but I'm considering leaving the hobby all together at this point. The only thing I'm wondering is if judges will be willing to change the charge from solicitation to something else to avoid jail time if you cooperate. Any thoughts there as a lawyer?

[Unassumed]

I see more of the scam artists being emboldened to set guys up for robbery or scams. They know if you call the cops for them stealing your money or threatening you, you will face a much bigger charge than they would. They can claim PTSD, attempted assault, etc. And you are up shit's creek with a hole in your canoe. Even if they have a bf / pimp / handler that strong arms you, if you report it then the both of you will get arrested. Would you want to be in the same holding area as the guy who just tried to rob you? I have also found that many of them were not aware of the changes, so at first there may be no issue. However, as time passes and they or their associates get arrested they will learn more about these laws.

I mean, the smart ones wouldn't try to rob / extort, since that would add felony charges unrelated to the hobby. The dumb ones definitely would probably try, if desperate enough, though. And I guess they're the ones you'd want to watch out for anyways.

[MmceStep]

I see more of the scam artists being emboldened to set guys up for robbery or scams. They know if you call the cops for them stealing your money or threatening you, you will face a much bigger charge than they would. They can claim PTSD, attempted assault, etc. And you are up shit's creek with a hole in your canoe. Even if they have a bf / pimp / handler that strong arms you, if you report it then the both of you will get arrested. Would you want to be in the same holding area as the guy who just tried to rob you? I have also found that many of them were not aware of the changes, so at first there may be no issue. However, as time passes and they or their associates get arrested they will learn more about these laws.

I too have not encountered providers who knew of the changes. LEO intends to educate them as they investigate, so they can flip them. Believe me, as soon as the first one collects her Victim Impact Funds, they will all know where they stand.