Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[Caribe]

How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.

Hit 'them up early! Some of my regulars will come in and let me in early. I'll contact them the night before. They'll know to rooter out that snatch and rush and floss got some DFK an 69. I'll also be freshly showered They'll require the same from me, inspecting the balls, shaft and under the head for lint or smegma.

[Big Zhang Mang]

How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.

I frequent a handful of AMP providers. Wherever they get rotated to, I'll go there if it ain't too far. I have them shower and brush their teeth beforehand.

[RubMePls]

How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.

[BSouthgate]

Up to about 45 years of age, I preferred younger beautiful women to older women who had lost their sparkle. Thia pertained to pros and what I think you call civvies (non pros). I married my first wife when I was in my twenties. She was knockout beautiful. She had the body of a model and the innocent cute face of an actress.

Then as age progressed, I started preferring older more mature women for sex but still liked girlfriends and wives to be at least ten years younger than myself. When I mongered in Gardena and Inglewood in my 60's, I had both young and old masseuses. Gradually, I learned to like the older girls (at least 40) more as lovers. They knew more and were less inhibited.

Now I am ancient. I am near life's end. I don't fight with my pot belly anymore because I know it is useless to fight. I have an ugly pacemaker box sticking through the skin of my chest. My hair is grey and it is no longer easy to get it up. I had taken a vacation from mongering for about five years and only recently have returned to this great hobby. In the past few months, I have tried to young spinners at Right and the grannies in Westminster. I prefer the latter by far.

I would love to read others' views on this topic.

[BSouthgate]

I strongly believe that this is a subject that you can't paint with a wide brush. Girls get into prostitution for a wide variety of reasons. Some do it because they're young runaways and drug addicts and need a source of income. Some do it strictly to earn a buck. Some do it at least partially because they immensely enjoy sex, and even more so enjoy getting paid for it. I've seen escorts who claimed to not need the money. They had good jobs during the week but saw 3 or 4 clients on weekends because a) the extra cash was nice. Gave them a little extra discretionary spending money; and b) they enjoyed the sex. I've been with SWs who had unmistakable huge orgasms. You know the orgasms were real because there are just certain things that can't be faked. I've been with others who claimed to orgasm but I saw no discernable evidence of it during the session. I've had others who had "orgasms" that seemed very fake. You can usually pick out the over the top porn flick style moaning and tell that it's fake. Uncontrollable body spasms, sweating, and hip bucking accompanied by moaning and a gush of fluids probably isn't fake. So it very much runs the gamut between spreading their legs just for the money and doing it because they're incredibly horny and like getting laid as much as we do.

As for the high end Nevada brothels, I'm not an expert because I've never visited one, but the 70% figure is probably pretty close to spot on. Some of the girls may very well have high sex drive and cum multiple times a day with multiple clients..

Your review is right on the mark. My experiences have been similar to yours.

Chinese women in China and those who have recently immigrated are more sexually responsive and enjoy more.

The thing that I learned from this book was not that hookers often enjoy sex. Their enjoyment is repressed by cultural pressures not to enjoy. Very few if any of the Nevada brothel women were recent immigrants from Asia. Their groupthink was to mock and make fun of women who had the courage to admit frequent orgasms with their tricks. Imagine if, on this site, guys were afraid to admit that they enjoyed orgasms with their massage girls. That is the way it still is for many prostitutes.

Liberate.

[Grimmy23]

Thank you for referring this book, Brothel by Alexa Albert, to us.

Albert sees the Mustang Ranch women through the cultural lens that includes the strangeness of prostitutes enjoying sex with clients. Her cultural belief is that it is still novel for women to enjoy sex at all and certainly they cannot enjoy sex with so many guys with whom they have only a casual acquaintance. Despite this flaw in the author's psychology, she does admit that at least 70% of the Mustang hookers orgasm "sometimes" and one orgasms as many as 7 times a day with clients. She notes that the brothel girls do not want to admit sexual enjoyment with clients and mock women who do admit such enjoyment.

Before the 1960's and the American sexual revolution, women rarely admitted enjoying sex and men did not know what a clit was. It was not important for women to enjoy sex though it was clear to me as a child from the sounds emanating from my parents bedroom that Mama was having more fun than Papa. I lived through that era. I remember.

Actually, women can enjoy sex and orgasm much more frequently than men can. They can enjoy with more partners than we can enjoy with. Prostitutes are no different. In fact, they choose their career because their libido and frequency of enjoyment is on the high side.

Thanks again for referring this book. Please enjoy again this video showing hookers having fun.

https://pornzog.com/video/13191912/h...y-party-manny/

I strongly believe that this is a subject that you can't paint with a wide brush. Girls get into prostitution for a wide variety of reasons. Some do it because they're young runaways and drug addicts and need a source of income. Some do it strictly to earn a buck. Some do it at least partially because they immensely enjoy sex, and even more so enjoy getting paid for it. I've seen escorts who claimed to not need the money. They had good jobs during the week but saw 3 or 4 clients on weekends because a) the extra cash was nice. Gave them a little extra discretionary spending money; and b) they enjoyed the sex. I've been with SWs who had unmistakable huge orgasms. You know the orgasms were real because there are just certain things that can't be faked. I've been with others who claimed to orgasm but I saw no discernable evidence of it during the session. I've had others who had "orgasms" that seemed very fake. You can usually pick out the over the top porn flick style moaning and tell that it's fake. Uncontrollable body spasms, sweating, and hip bucking accompanied by moaning and a gush of fluids probably isn't fake. So it very much runs the gamut between spreading their legs just for the money and doing it because they're incredibly horny and like getting laid as much as we do.

As for the high end Nevada brothels, I'm not an expert because I've never visited one, but the 70% figure is probably pretty close to spot on. Some of the girls may very well have high sex drive and cum multiple times a day with multiple clients. Others may be put off by the sex part (but obviously not put off by the money) and never cum at all with clients. And I think those numbers probably fairly readily transfer to AMP girls. There's a couple Chinese I've been with in OC who had very intense orgasms after I spent 15-20 minutes with my head clamped between their thighs. I've had just as many who I've practiced my oral skills on who didn't seem to get turned on by it at all. They stayed dry and pretty much just went through the motions. In fairness, it's hard to expect them to get turned on and have orgasms with every client when their job is to spread their legs for a dozen strangers a day in a dark, cramped, dingy room. It's not so hard seeing a girl orgasm when she sees at most 1 or 2 per day, and those 1 or 2 are ones she hand selects and verifies out of dozens of requests she gets every day.

[BSouthgate]

Ugh, Shenzhen. I used to call it Shitzhen. To be fair, most of my experiences there were in the early to mid-90's when that town was just a shithole. I literally couldn't walk more than 10 feet down a sidewalk without hookers not just propositioning me, but literally grabbing me and trying to pull me into a building. Most of them looked like low class street hookers. Nobody I'd want a toss in the hay with. I don't recall if saunas were a thing there at that time or not. I was still pretty naive about that sort of thing and you didn't just hop on the internet in those days to research stuff. I haven't been back to Shenzhen for many years but I do understand that the city has cleaned up a lot. Quangzhou was a similarly crappy city in those years, and that city has certainly cleaned up significantly.

I remember the Shanghai saunas having red rope service which is something I haven't seen anywhere else. That is where there were a set of red ropes above the bed. The girl would suspend herself from them upside down, then twist the ropes up and start giving you a BJ. As she was blowing you the ropes would untwist, so she's spinning around in a circle while bobbing her head up and down on your dick. It was interesting to say the least. I'm not sure I can say it felt better than a regular BJ but it was an interesting visual.

Experienced red rope in Shanghai and Beijing. Nowhere else.

Found this video showing how it works:

https://xhamster.com/videos/aerial-r...s-head-5237053

[BSouthgate]

Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.

Thank you for referring this book, Brothel by Alexa Albert, to us.

Albert sees the Mustang Ranch women through the cultural lens that includes the strangeness of prostitutes enjoying sex with clients. Her cultural belief is that it is still novel for women to enjoy sex at all and certainly they cannot enjoy sex with so many guys with whom they have only a casual acquaintance. Despite this flaw in the author's psychology, she does admit that at least 70% of the Mustang hookers orgasm "sometimes" and one orgasms as many as 7 times a day with clients. She notes that the brothel girls do not want to admit sexual enjoyment with clients and mock women who do admit such enjoyment.

Before the 1960's and the American sexual revolution, women rarely admitted enjoying sex and men did not know what a clit was. It was not important for women to enjoy sex though it was clear to me as a child from the sounds emanating from my parents bedroom that Mama was having more fun than Papa. I lived through that era. I remember.

Actually, women can enjoy sex and orgasm much more frequently than men can. They can enjoy with more partners than we can enjoy with. Prostitutes are no different. In fact, they choose their career because their libido and frequency of enjoyment is on the high side.

Thanks again for referring this book. Please enjoy again this video showing hookers having fun.

https://pornzog.com/video/13191912/h...y-party-manny/

[BSouthgate]

I don't appreciate the discourteous response which feels like a personal attack tinged with some unnecessary hostility because I dared to disagree, and provided inconvenient facts that undermined your off topic pro-CCP propoganda narrative. The facts are widely available online.

I am familiar with both China and Chinese for decades. May I ask one question of you? Do you seriously believe what you are saying that mimics the state controlled / censored media and Chinese Communist Party talking points? Or, like the pro-CCP shills on Youtube (who claim there is no genocide or Uighurs, etc.), do you get paid to deliver this kind of message? Its been documented by some YT commentators that Chinese government agents reach out and offer cash payments for people to get online and propagate nonsense.

Yes, many Chinese are unaware of what is happening because they live in a dictatorship. There is no freedom of speech, and no neutral news sources. Several Chinese are in jail now for merely reporting what was happening with the pandemic. Another Chinese lady just got sentenced to 4 years in jail, for claiming she was sexually harassed. Many Chinese believe their media that Americans and Japanese are to blame for their downfall, and are lashing out with stabbing attacks on Americans and Japanese in the past week or two. On the other hand, Chinese are so desperate to get into the US, and they are lining up for miles at the US embassy in Beijing daily, and some sneak across the Mexican boarder now in record numbers.

Consider this possibility. The Western media propaganda told us that Saddam had WMD. They told us that Putin would be overthrown in a few months after he ordered the Ukraine invasion. They told us that the Russian economy would collapse under western sanctions.

They always make these kinds of lies about China. You are thoroughly convinced because you only read and listen to the western media. Your remarks reflect that since they mirror almost the exact words found in the legacy press (NYT, WP, NYP, BBC, CNN, FOX, etc) Perhaps DRD, you are being lied to like in the case of Saddam and Putin. I can only ask that you consider reading the work of Eric Li.

https://www.amazon.com/Party-Life-Ch...&keywords=eric+li+party+life&qid=1719457038&sprefix=eric+li+party+life%2 Caps%2 C135&sr=8-1.

Or, if you don't like to read, try his TED talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YjL9rZyR0.

Or try this book by a Singaporean foreign minister:

https://www.amazon.com/Has-China-Won...ords=mahbubani+has+China+won&qid=1719457169&sprefix=mahbubani+has+China+won%2 Caps%2 C136&sr=8-1.

You like Singapore. In your comments you implied that this autocratically run city state is a liberal democracy. Guess you got that from the NYT or Fox.

Or you can try watching Cyrus Jansen.

https://www.capitaleconomics.com/qua...SAAEgI4SvD_BwE

Or better still, try visiting China for just a month and talking confidentially to some of its people.

No, DRD, I am not paid nor was I ever paid by the CCP. I sacrificed a lot in my life, to help China and I am proud of my contributions.

While the US government degenerates into forever political bickering between politicians controlled by corporations and wealthy donors, China is steadily moving ahead. I helped China a little tiny bit and I am so proud.

You mentioned Li Ke Qiang (correct spelling) in one of your posts. I shook hands with this guy in 2018, October. He probably did say something about 900,000 people still in poverty. Do the math if you are up to it. What percent is 900,000 out of 1.4 billion?

[DarkRoomDaddy]

DRD obviously hates China. But the Chinese people do not. How much time has DRD spent in China? Where are the sources of his bullshit? There are none cited.

I don't appreciate the discourteous response which feels like a personal attack tinged with some unnecessary hostility because I dared to disagree, and provided inconvenient facts that undermined your off topic pro-CCP propoganda narrative. The facts are widely available online.

I am familiar with both China and Chinese for decades. May I ask one question of you? Do you seriously believe what you are saying that mimics the state controlled / censored media and Chinese Communist Party talking points? Or, like the pro-CCP shills on Youtube (who claim there is no genocide or Uighurs, etc.), do you get paid to deliver this kind of message? Its been documented by some YT commentators that Chinese government agents reach out and offer cash payments for people to get online and propagate nonsense.

Yes, many Chinese are unaware of what is happening because they live in a dictatorship. There is no freedom of speech, and no neutral news sources. Several Chinese are in jail now for merely reporting what was happening with the pandemic. Another Chinese lady just got sentenced to 4 years in jail, for claiming she was sexually harassed. Many Chinese believe their media that Americans and Japanese are to blame for their downfall, and are lashing out with stabbing attacks on Americans and Japanese in the past week or two. On the other hand, Chinese are so desperate to get into the US, and they are lining up for miles at the US embassy in Beijing daily, and some sneak across the Mexican boarder now in record numbers.

[Grimmy23]

You have a great memory Grimmy.

The all male saunas were mostly in Shanghai, Shenzhen, east coast. Most of those that I frequented were in provincial cities like Chengdu and Kunming. All of them were great.

Ugh, Shenzhen. I used to call it Shitzhen. To be fair, most of my experiences there were in the early to mid-90's when that town was just a shithole. I literally couldn't walk more than 10 feet down a sidewalk without hookers not just propositioning me, but literally grabbing me and trying to pull me into a building. Most of them looked like low class street hookers. Nobody I'd want a toss in the hay with. I don't recall if saunas were a thing there at that time or not. I was still pretty naive about that sort of thing and you didn't just hop on the internet in those days to research stuff. I haven't been back to Shenzhen for many years but I do understand that the city has cleaned up a lot. Quangzhou was a similarly crappy city in those years, and that city has certainly cleaned up significantly.

I remember the Shanghai saunas having red rope service which is something I haven't seen anywhere else. That is where there were a set of red ropes above the bed. The girl would suspend herself from them upside down, then twist the ropes up and start giving you a BJ. As she was blowing you the ropes would untwist, so she's spinning around in a circle while bobbing her head up and down on your dick. It was interesting to say the least. I'm not sure I can say it felt better than a regular BJ but it was an interesting visual.

[BSouthgate]

My Chinese sauna experience was slightly different. I had 3 or 4 that I frequented that were all within walking distance of the Shanghai hotel I always stayed in. The routine in all four of them was I was immediately ushered into a locker room. None of these places were family friendly at all. They were strictly men's saunas. Things got a little weird (by Western standards) for the next few minutes. There were always male attendants helping you through the next few steps. In the locker room you'd strip naked and a male attendant would help you get your clothes in the locker and give you the key, which you wore around your wrist. You'd then walk down the hall to the showers and take a shower in full view of a bunch of other people (other naked male customers as well as clothed attendants). In a couple of them, male technicians would literally walk right into your shower stall (while fully clothed) to offer you the body scrub services. I always declined that. I just felt really weird having a clothed male walk up to me while I was showering to try to upsell me a scrub that he would be performing. When you were done showering, a male attendant would summon you over to his area where he would help dry you off and help you get dressed in the PJs. Again, just a little weird by our standards, but I know it wasn't seen as weird there so I just went with it. Somewhere along the way it seemed that there were always at least 1 or 2 Chinese customers doing push-ups naked. Just another slightly weird thing that I never understood. No biggie. Just deal with it.

After all of that, I would be escorted to a lounge room and directed to kick back in a comfortable recliner. The room had TVs playing some Chinese show. Not sure what it was. An attendant, usually slightly older female, would come up to offer me a drink and tell me to just relax for a little bit. Usually after about 10-15 minutes, a guy would get me and walk me to the fishbowl area where there would usually be between 15-20 girls standing behind glass. Unlike in Thailand, this was 2-way glass where the girls can see you. This was total kid in a candy store time. Some girls would make eye contact, some wouldn't. Some would smile at you or give you kind of a flirty seductive look. Some would give you more of a cold stare or look away or to the ground. I'd obviously avoid the latter. They didn't seem too interested in getting it on with a white guy. I'd go for the ones who smiled and seemed interested, but at the same time were a little bit shy. The one thing I learned was to not let the male rush you, as he usually would. He'd always say things like "you should select number 72. She gives a great massage. " But I just learned over time to tune him out and take my time. Some of the girls were very scantily clad in skimpy bikinis. Some were more modestly dressed. Some were extremely young looking. Some were older. There was a ton of variation and I always put a lot of thought into who to choose.

You have a great memory Grimmy.

The all male saunas were mostly in Shanghai, Shenzhen, east coast. Most of those that I frequented were in provincial cities like Chengdu and Kunming. All of them were great.

[BSouthgate]

This disagrees with all the info I have. And I am on this daily.

As of a year ago, the #2 guy in China after Xi was Li Kechiang who said that 900,000 Chinese make less than $300 a year. Now that was the good times. Now its all hitting the fan. The Chinese economy is about to implode. The housing market is crashing, some of the biggest developers have gone bankrupt, the cities which financed their operations through landsales are now screwed, people are losing their life savings in homes that are paid for but never built. There is growing social unrest. With employees not paid for months, people unable to withdraw their savings, etc. There is a demographic bomb of a huge number of baby boomers about to retire but with a small number of young Chinese to take their place. And those that do, are not willing to work the same as past generations. There is a "lie flat" or "let it rot" attitude among the young people.

According to state controlled media, China is number one in the world in everything. During the early stages of the pandemic almost no one was dying in China. Unlike the rest of the world. And yet independent studies on the number of cremations going 24 hours a day, and the number of phone lines disconnected during that period suggest the death toll was 10-100 times as bad as they said it was.

China is one of the most polluted countries on earth. In most big cities rare to see the sunshine through the smog. There are epidemics of fake dangerous food stuff and tofu dreg buildings, bridges, roads, and subway tunnels collapsing.

Virtually all of their technological achievements have come from forced tech transfers or outright espionage. Christopher Wray, director of FBI, said that China is mounting the largest espionage and tech stealing program in the world. Bigger than the rest of the world put together.

DRD obviously hates China. But the Chinese people do not. How much time has DRD spent in China? Where are the sources of his bullshit? There are none cited.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

Thanks for these clarifications. You are approaching something like accuracy regarding the PRC and prostitution therein. Still some homework to do.

1. Chinese factory workers made on average more than $40 per day in 2023. So your estimate of $16 to $18 is still way off the mark. See attached graph.

2. If you read my prior post, you will understand that there are Chinese women who enter the hotel business for access to relatively wealthy male customers. Some, like your Shanghai date 8 years ago, want casual compensated dates. Some are looking for marriage partners. Perhaps the waitress in the story in my post below was looking for a husband.

3. Yes, the CCP has cracked down on prostitution. Read my prior post for details. P4 P is still available but harder to find and more expensive.

4. On the positive side, besides the enormous increases in workers wages since 1990, there have been many other positive development within the PRC. Among them,

A. Life expectancy at birth continues to increase. The highest LE is in large cities like Shanghai where it approaches that in large US cities. However, the biggest increases are in the rural hinterlands.

This disagrees with all the info I have. And I am on this daily.

As of a year ago, the #2 guy in China after Xi was Li Kechiang who said that 900,000 Chinese make less than $300 a year. Now that was the good times. Now its all hitting the fan. The Chinese economy is about to implode. The housing market is crashing, some of the biggest developers have gone bankrupt, the cities which financed their operations through landsales are now screwed, people are losing their life savings in homes that are paid for but never built. There is growing social unrest. With employees not paid for months, people unable to withdraw their savings, etc. There is a demographic bomb of a huge number of baby boomers about to retire but with a small number of young Chinese to take their place. And those that do, are not willing to work the same as past generations. There is a "lie flat" or "let it rot" attitude among the young people.

According to state controlled media, China is number one in the world in everything. During the early stages of the pandemic almost no one was dying in China. Unlike the rest of the world. And yet independent studies on the number of cremations going 24 hours a day, and the number of phone lines disconnected during that period suggest the death toll was 10-100 times as bad as they said it was.

China is one of the most polluted countries on earth. In most big cities rare to see the sunshine through the smog. There are epidemics of fake dangerous food stuff and tofu dreg buildings, bridges, roads, and subway tunnels collapsing.

Virtually all of their technological achievements have come from forced tech transfers or outright espionage. Christopher Wray, director of FBI, said that China is mounting the largest espionage and tech stealing program in the world. Bigger than the rest of the world put together.

On the flip side, the tiny country of Taiwan and even smaller Singapore and Hong Kong demonstrate the potential of Chinese people. Allowed to prosper without the shackles of the military dictatorship of mainland China.

So that's the context of ladies coming to the US to work. They can make enough to support a huge family back home. In one day of taking their clothes off, they can make more than hubby or dad makes in a year. If you have dated or married any woman. Chinese, other Asian, American, Latina, etc. What percentage love sucking cum, and taking it up the ass? Maybe 0.1%? That's when they love you. Now imagine your a perfect stranger in a dark room. How much do you think they genuinely love all this stuff hour and hour with nameless dudes? Chinese culture is actually conservative. And you almost never see kissing or holding hands on Chinese tv. And for these girls to go total kink? Nah, its all for the benjamins baby.

[Grimmy23]

I also loved these places. Many of those that I frequented catered to families as well as to single guys looking for sex. You registered at a checkin desk like in a hotel. There you had take off your shoes and exchange them for the house flip flops. Men and women went to different shower facilities to shower and bathe in hot tubs. There was a guy in the locker room who gave non sexual massages using a kind of sand paper sponge that rubbed off all of the dead skin on all of your body. For the guys, this was a way of making your skin more sensitive when you got to the top floor (See below). After showering and changing into the house paper pajamas, you went up stairs to a large lounge that had dozens of massage sofas. Next to the lounge, there was a restaurant where you could eat a simple lunch. Young masseurs and masseuses circulated among the sofas offering Chinese foot massage which is very relaxing. For single guys, a floor manager would come by and ask if you wanted to take to the elevator to the top floor for special service massage. There was very little pressure. All very relaxed.

If you wanted to go to the top floor, the floor manager would accompany you to the elevator and send you on your way. When the door opened on the top floor, you would step into heaven. Scantily clad angels were everywhere. One would lead you to a room, exit and return with five or six other women. You had to choose. I usually chose by eye contact. If she was looking directly at me, I pointed at her. Maybe you had a better way of choosing.

After all the girls left the room, it was kind of like in this video:

https://motherless.com/7107D9A

Your masseuse would negotiate a price with you. It was usually $50 to $100 depending on the sauna, masseuse and services. I do not ever remember being rushed and I always was completely satisfied. Rimming and BBBJ were standard. Intercourse always with a condom.

After your blissful session, back downstairs for another foot massage or a plate of fried rice. Then back to the locker room to change clothes. On the way out, you paid a running tab that included everything. Wonderful establishments. Too bad they are gone.

My Chinese sauna experience was slightly different. I had 3 or 4 that I frequented that were all within walking distance of the Shanghai hotel I always stayed in. The routine in all four of them was I was immediately ushered into a locker room. None of these places were family friendly at all. They were strictly men's saunas. Things got a little weird (by Western standards) for the next few minutes. There were always male attendants helping you through the next few steps. In the locker room you'd strip naked and a male attendant would help you get your clothes in the locker and give you the key, which you wore around your wrist. You'd then walk down the hall to the showers and take a shower in full view of a bunch of other people (other naked male customers as well as clothed attendants). In a couple of them, male technicians would literally walk right into your shower stall (while fully clothed) to offer you the body scrub services. I always declined that. I just felt really weird having a clothed male walk up to me while I was showering to try to upsell me a scrub that he would be performing. When you were done showering, a male attendant would summon you over to his area where he would help dry you off and help you get dressed in the PJs. Again, just a little weird by our standards, but I know it wasn't seen as weird there so I just went with it. Somewhere along the way it seemed that there were always at least 1 or 2 Chinese customers doing push-ups naked. Just another slightly weird thing that I never understood. No biggie. Just deal with it.

After all of that, I would be escorted to a lounge room and directed to kick back in a comfortable recliner. The room had TVs playing some Chinese show. Not sure what it was. An attendant, usually slightly older female, would come up to offer me a drink and tell me to just relax for a little bit. Usually after about 10-15 minutes, a guy would get me and walk me to the fishbowl area where there would usually be between 15-20 girls standing behind glass. Unlike in Thailand, this was 2-way glass where the girls can see you. This was total kid in a candy store time. Some girls would make eye contact, some wouldn't. Some would smile at you or give you kind of a flirty seductive look. Some would give you more of a cold stare or look away or to the ground. I'd obviously avoid the latter. They didn't seem too interested in getting it on with a white guy. I'd go for the ones who smiled and seemed interested, but at the same time were a little bit shy. The one thing I learned was to not let the male rush you, as he usually would. He'd always say things like "you should select number 72. She gives a great massage. " But I just learned over time to tune him out and take my time. Some of the girls were very scantily clad in skimpy bikinis. Some were more modestly dressed. Some were extremely young looking. Some were older. There was a ton of variation and I always put a lot of thought into who to choose.

Once I chose a girl and got into the room, almost always the first thing that would happen is she would give me a big hug and DFK, then immediately pull my PJs off and direct me to the wet area. She'd remove her clothes and give me a very thorough bathing, starting with me sitting in the plastic chair that had a big slit in the center so that she could easily wash everything. That usually resulted in her soapy finger going up my back door to get it nice and clean. From there it was off to the table where she would do a soapy body slide back and front. A nice long rim job was always part of this step. Shanghai is where I got my first ever rim job and they were always absolutely heavenly. Then she'd dry me off and the real fun started. Everything was always on the table. BBBJ, CFS, sometimes even anal, but that depended on the girl.

After the main event the girl would walk you out to the hall, where you'd be met by another hot young scantily clad girl who wanted to sell you something like ear wax removal. I did it once or twice. There was no real hanky panky. Her clothes would stay on. She'd allow your hands to wander a little bit and hers might wander a little bit as well, but it was more of having a young Chinese hottie get flirty with you while she used a wooden tool to pick the wax out of your ears. They had other services like manicures and such as well.

After that you were offered the opportunity to either go back to your locker and change, or go back to the TV room for another round with another girl. I've never been one who could pop twice in fairly rapid succession. Even when I was younger I always needed a couple hours to recharge. So I always just left at this point and maybe went back later in the evening if I felt up to it.

I would give almost anything for an experience like that again. We don't have anything in the US that even comes close to matching up, and Shanghai no longer has them either (outside of maybe a couple that are operating underground). Those sauna clubs rank right up there among my best mongering experiences of all time, and they might even be #1 on my list.