Non Pro's

[Marko Ramius]

There is No Way Imaginable that the sugar dating scene has an efficient market where prices are set like they are for, say, used furniture.

A couple of reasons for that:

1. I suspect that most girls off those sites don't see many guys. A lot of them probably never meet up with any guys. I'd bet the average is less than 2 guys. So it is hard for one guy paying a higher or lower price to impact the negotiations of others. Yeah, there are some wenches on there that are out and out working girls or are the town bicycles, but again the vast majority of them aren't circulating that much.

2. The girls always lie about how much money they got from the last guy. And they always lie to their friends about how much money they are getting from guys they meet off the site. I've ran into girls who wildly exaggerated about how much money they got from some other Sugar Daddy, but when I ran it down that Sugar Daddy was either a Canadian Boyfriend or had never gave her that much in reality. On the other side of it I had one on my rotation who always told her friends and sister that I was giving her some money, but understated the amount because she didn't want them hitting her up for money.

3. The "allowance" numbers pushed (sometimes) in the media or on blog posts are hilariously unrealistic. Bluntly in order to afford those prices you need to both be willing to play in this dirty pool and also have some major bucks on hand. And also be stupid enough or lazy enough to not know or care that you can get the same things for far less with only a tiny bit of effort. There are also tax and legal complications that make it challenging and ugly to discreetly gift someone $5 k a month or more, which makes it more work than it could possibly be worth.

[VanDawg]

It has been said before, but I want to reiterate secret benefits sucks.

Yeah lots of legit problems with SA, but then you try something else LOL.

What I like most about SA is the constantly revolving women on there. You can log in a month later and there are dozens of good new options. Whatever they do to market to young women works.

[VanDawg]

We went out on a date, I couldn't get any signal so I pushed a little bit by offering some financial help and she got offended and left, WTF, this is not tinder don't know what to think.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...9-8e5ea5ce4e9e

You find all kinds on there. Usually the ones that are "offended" at cash help are 30+ single moms just looking to date more successful men.

[VanDawg]

1. Under 25 is a hard cutoff. The combination of unrealistic expectations, immaturity, poor sex skills, and drama make the younger ones very poor value for your whoring dollar.

2. We meet in public on the first date to just suss each other out. Also if I haven't seen them for a while we meet first in public before playtime.

3. If they want or need to bring a friend along on the first meetup then it is a hard pass.

Totally agree with 2&3. For 1 I mostly agree but sometimes take the chance. Just be prepared for issues, ghosting, bad sex. I've had a few fun times, even with 18-19 year olds. But it's rare and takes more time.

[VanDawg]

What is going on here? Toro is right, 400 max for anyone over 30, MAX! Stop inflating the market LOL. These links I've been seeing for the most part are truly average women, I wouldn't pay more than 300 I don't care how old they are. Try it, you'll be surprised.

I'm not loaded like y'all so I have one arrangement with a smoking hot 24 yo (esp compared to all the recent links) UW student. She comes over to see me, has an amazing ass, and one of the best head games I've come across - 400 PPM. By the 2nd meet she was offering her pussy to me bare and sends me playlists. Maybe it's because I shower and show an interest in things other than sex with them LOL. But, honestly, guys, it's not that difficult to negotiate.

Good advice. I'm always polite, show interest in whatever they are talking about, pretend it's a regular date.

I offer 300-400 depending how hot she is, or reply that's my offer if they come in high. Be super polite and apologize that your numbers don't meet, etc. Go your own way.

You'll be surprised how many girls come back to message you a few days or weeks later and agree to your offer.

[Member #6729]

Her duo partner works at the playground was expensive duo but greet time no condoms in sight I filled them both up.

Is that her friend in the pic? How expensive we talking? How many hours?

[PoonHound1969]

Her duo partner works at the playground was expensive duo but greet time no condoms in sight I filled them both up.

What did it run you?

[BBAsianLover]

Well. I guess you have your answer LOL. Two of them have already deactivated there accounts. Which means they read this post and peaced the fuck out (scammers). The lone profile that is still up is of that Asian girl and at first viewing of her pictures screams serious princess vibes. Then I read her profile where it says "I understand there are likely bratty entitled girls here. (cont). " and that all but confirmed my first judgement of her. This is her projecting her princess / entitled mentality LOL! I have never ever seen a girl write out on SA that there are "likely bratty entitled girls here". She really let the cat out of the bag on that one. Not that any experienced monger wouldn't already suspect she was a princess from her profile photos though. Newbies take note of what they say in there BIO. You can find gems in there about how they really are.

"if you send me a message and I reply fast and then you fall off the grid or just leave me hanging, I will block you! That is one of my biggest pet peeves! Please respect my time and don't treat me like a plan b! If I reply fast, I expect you to do the same!

You see how entitled this girl is? HAH! How dare you have a life and not immediately reply to her! How dare you SIR! This is exactly what I am talking about folks. Read there bio! Digest it and read between the lines.

Dipped my toe into SA today. I checked this one out and she wanted $300 for a m+g with no chance of a real date. Blocked me instantly when I told her to pound sand. Entitled? Yes, very. As always, YMMV. But I'll pass.

[DickIncider12]

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...e-27549a8530ec

Sent me (and fifty eleven other Ninjas) a msg. Says she has a friend to join.

Look like a barista and it would be a one off for me. She started high of course. LOL.

Her duo partner works at the playground was expensive duo but greet time no condoms in sight I filled them both up.

[Mamouna]

Agree, but was more referring to the general population of women on SM and how the attention is messing up their concept of reality. At times (sugar world or not) we're expected to be huge as the " thirsty betas " (I take no credit for that term) that like and like and.

Dude, your posts are so outlandish. All this simp / beta / alpha / social media BS talk. I'm not too sure about your grasp on reality. Are you sure you're not living in your mamma's basement?

If anything, most of all the non-pro girls I've met on seeking hide their social media or their real names more than not. I had one who broke it off with me once I found out her real name. Ofc there are the ones who don't care or they are escorts. But I guess my ego can handle it.

[Michael1967]

There is one popular TNA person that I met long before she showed up on TNA. I've been freaked out because she's a Facebook friend, she's been to my business and she has my personal number. She knows that I hobby, but until she answered an ISO, she didn't know my TNA screen name. She's a sweetheart and I don't worry about her, but I worry that one of the old, ugly hags on the other site who hates me will casually talk her, find out we're friends and get her to give out that information. If that happens, then I'm fucked. Luckily, she doesn't associate with any of them (unlike them, she loves doing sex work).

[PriceIsRight39]

Don't mix social media and our hobby. Ever! You Will Be Very Sorry if you ever do.

You are 100 percent asking for disaster if you friend or follow or whatever anyone off a sugar site on any social media. Don't do it!

It isn't about simping. It is about safety and sanity.

Agree, but was more referring to the general population of women on SM and how the attention is messing up their concept of reality. At times (sugar world or not) we're expected to be huge as the " thirsty betas " (I take no credit for that term) that like and like and.

[Marko Ramius]

... Stop following THIER SM! I don't follow any woman's SM save for my mama...

Don't mix social media and our hobby. Ever! You Will Be Very Sorry if you ever do.

You are 100 percent asking for disaster if you friend or follow or whatever anyone off a sugar site on any social media. Don't do it!

It isn't about simping. It is about safety and sanity.

[PriceIsRight39]

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...e-27549a8530ec

Sent me (and fifty eleven other Ninjas) a msg. Says she has a friend to join.

Look like a barista and it would be a one off for me. She started high of course. LOL.

[PriceIsRight39]

From my share of Fucked Up Shituations I've made a number of hard rules. Others might have different rules but these rules are working for me:

1. Under 25 is a hard cutoff. The combination of unrealistic expectations, immaturity, poor sex skills, and drama make the younger ones very poor value for your whoring dollar.

2. We meet in public on the first date to just suss each other out. Also if I haven't seen them for a while we meet first in public before playtime.

3. If they want or need to bring a friend along on the first meetup then it is a hard pass.

I sometimes break those rules, usually to my regret. I've got one under 25 on the rotation right now but she was exceptionally convenient to my home and she was also persistent in wanting to meet me. Almost too persistent I thought at the time but after a discreet meetup at a restaurant she got the All Clear. She still needs to take a class on giving a decent blowjob but otherwise is quite serviceable and I'll probably keep her for at least a year.

Blowjobs must be taught. It's our duty! Haha I got one now, 29 ,that can suck a dick! Say her friends mostly make her feel weird for liking it!! The way she looks at the dick you can see the joy! I still give pointers as one can only get a little bit better everyday!

Young ones are trouble for sure. They get too much attention. Apart from not overpaying. Stop following THIER SM! I don't follow any woman's SM save for my mama. LOL.

I know fellas get sensitive about simp calling, but liking a young girls insta is simp 101. OF too! Check out the comments on some Hos insta from men. It'll make you queasy.

All just my opinion of course.