Agency Discussion and Reviews

[Kinoko34]

What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.

This is a bit of a different discussion, but overall you should be doing the same level of STFU, arguably more so.

Police are trained to get information out of you and are legally allowed to lie to you to do so. Not to get too much into this discussion, but you should always record every interaction you have with police, related to our shared hobby or otherwise. The moment they cross the line with what they can legally do to you to get that information, their body cam footage will, unsurprisingly, be hard or expensive to acquire, so you want a recording that starts off belonging to you--for a civil rights lawsuit.

I watch a lot of Audit the Audit and Lackluster on youtube.

[LuckyLuciano00]

Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.

They'll be back. Sooner or later they'll come back. They always do.

[ClassySemite]

Gents, we need to keep fucking these wonderful women so they stick around and visit our neck of the woods. Trying to decide who to visit now. Maybe Jisoo.

It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.

Absolutely. I understand they do it for their own safety but something has got to be enhanced in the process to do this with more anonymity but still be safe.

[Ernesto88]

Their websites are down.

[Alien988]

Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.

[Almel89]

VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.

You know, I think I get why I was never stopped now. I usually parked in that massive parking lot by the target about 2 blocks away and I'd enter the Barnes and Noble since I always got there a few minutes. Same with JJ clubs, I'd park in the mall, walk around a bit then enter once I got called in. Why the hell would any of you park so close?

[DCHung]

Blue and apc websites are gone.

[JackRyan1]

What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.

Checkout the Billy Murphy videos on youtube, he is a famous Baltimore City defense attorney and good at his job.

[Stroon78]

VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.

What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.

[Bush Baby]

APC and BO have gone underground it seems.

[NightHawk 1967]

Yep. My fave NOVA place now has cut back to one gal. Next stop close. Support your local agencies or go backs to jackin off for a while!

I guess I jack off between trips to NY and Philly now.

[Kinoko34]

VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.

[Xonms]

Look like BO is down I can't access it.

[Almel89]

I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.

Future agencies should include the Shut the fuck up Friday video for all their mongers within the text instructions when they open up again. Imagine how funny that would be, korgs informing mongers of their rights.

[Max #01]

Ironically, it was 100% "us" who got them busted. From the report, they had nothing but money laundering until they got the mongers to flip. Dudes straight up admitted to everything as they were walking out and handed over their phones for corroboration LOL. I mean, I get the fact that a lot of mongers are trying to hide cheating, but it's comical to read that report and see how everything is built around the testimony of the mongers. I still don't know why you wouldn't just say that you went there to vent, talk, and cuddle with the girl. Ask them to give you play by play of what happened in room and if they did somehow have evidence, then you can sing to your heart's content. Otherwise, as lawyers will tell you, STFU.

PII can help filter out bad customers and potentially cops from getting in the door, but it can't help the agencies protect themselves from customers pooping their pants at the first tough question from a cop.

I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.