"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**MrVmp** · 03-07-23 13:24

Originally Posted by NewAnonymousName [View Original Post]

Thanks. I got the same vibe from her that you did, so I was on the fence about seeing her when her last profile disappeared. I usually assume that women whose profiles disappear and then reappear with a slightly altered name are getting booted from the site for talking PPM or trying to sell pictures. That assumption makes me a little more skeptical of her.

Still looking for decent MILFs if anyone has any recommendations.

I was in contact with her for awhile. She claimed to be out of state and hit me up when she came back to GA with a sob story and wanted me to buy some pic to help her out. Not my thing, so I ended contact after that.

**SeekingHead** · 03-07-23 12:44

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

It's supply and demand, and there are a lot of attractive women out there, but there are 3.9 billion horny men on the planet. (Or ok, take out the gay guys and little kids, and you still have over 3 billion dudes). And men generally work hard and earn $, and they spend some of it on porn and adult entertainment. I'm glad only fans wasn't around when I was younger, because would have been tempting, I'm sure.

But yes, the hottest girls can do only fans and not even have to meet anyone in person. So we just are left with ones who are less than smoking hot, or hot ones who really enjoy sex. I paid a girl $500 per meet a couple of times last year, and it was worth it, because she was so my type and an incredible piece of ass. But I can't afford to do that regularly and $1k is just not reasonable for me, under any circumstances. Most of the time, I go for $250 to $300 max. I suppose $1 k is really just equivalent to two meets with the $500 girl, but I just am not going to do it. It's not even up for serious consideration, given my finances.

It depends on how much disposable income you have, and I'm not even wealthy. So there are plenty of guys where $1 k means little to nothing, and they compete with us, for the limited number of extra hot girls.

I know I'm mostly stating the obvious here, but just good to occasionally give myself a reality check, as well.

Supply & Demand, let's talk about this in regards to the Atlanta metro. To pay those prices you need an income of better than $200 k a year, only 5% of all households in Metro Atlanta make that. This gives you a take home pay of about $12 k a month after taxes, & everything else. I am willing to bet that less than 2% of men in those households have ever sugared dated before. Also of those 2%, more than half of them are married. There are not 50 k men in Atlanta making this amount of money, I'd be willing to say it's less than 500 men total in the metro who can afford $1 k meetups. About 1/2 of those guys are very wealthy & there are other options available for them which we non multi-millionaires don't have access to. Is there anybody on this board who can write a $5 k check to the SPCA, a single guy who writes a check like that is going to have instagram models he can date. Also married men need a income of around $350 k or greater, as the wife & kids get a large portion of that money, plus the wife is going to be asking?'s about where $2-4 k a month is going.

**NewAnonymousName** · 03-07-23 11:56

Originally Posted by 2me4Looking2 [View Original Post]

She is back with a new profile if you are really interested. https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-a8ff97b6a3d9.

I chatted with her and she seemed fine other than really only willing to talk about doing a massage, but I never pulled the trigger because that seemed more like a UTR than SB.

Thanks. I got the same vibe from her that you did, so I was on the fence about seeing her when her last profile disappeared. I usually assume that women whose profiles disappear and then reappear with a slightly altered name are getting booted from the site for talking PPM or trying to sell pictures. That assumption makes me a little more skeptical of her.

Still looking for decent MILFs if anyone has any recommendations.

**2me4Looking2** · 03-07-23 11:45

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

It's not the norm. Stop talking to wannabe instagram models or the younger than 21 girls, and talk to some girls that are 8's instead of 10's, and you'll find plenty of 200-300 girls.

I disagree. This is coming from girls that are in there 20's-40's that are a 6 at best, but if you want to share some profiles to prove your point, I'm happy to do the research.

**GoneForGood97** · 03-07-23 11:32

Originally Posted by 2me4Looking2 [View Original Post]

I know it's been said, but still getting frustrated with just how many women are expecting $1 k or more per meet and then get offended when you offer less. High end escorts are cheaper than that and a lot less hassle. This used to just be the occasional GPS, but now it's seems to be the norm. I'm assuming some guys are paying it which seems insane.

It's not the norm. Stop talking to wannabe instagram models or the younger than 21 girls, and talk to some girls that are 8's instead of 10's, and you'll find plenty of 200-300 girls.

**2me4Looking2** · 03-07-23 11:08

Originally Posted by NewAnonymousName [View Original Post]

I read the poor review of SmartAngel, and MyPleasure1215's profile disappeared while we were in the middle of a promising chat. So I'm back to square one.

Can anyone recommend any MILFs in their 30's or 40's who are easy going and don't have unreasonable money expectations?

She is back with a new profile if you are really interested. https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-a8ff97b6a3d9.

I chatted with her and she seemed fine other than really only willing to talk about doing a massage, but I never pulled the trigger because that seemed more like a UTR than SB.

**NewAnonymousName** · 03-07-23 11:02

Originally Posted by NewAnonymousName [View Original Post]

Does anyone have information about MyPleasure1215? Her profile says she's a certified massage therapist, which could be a nice twist.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...3-67748d679baf

I also heard from SmartAngel. Does anyone have experience with her to offer a review?

https://members.seeking.com/member/9ad640c6-dfb7-4925-b1ec-d7b9cd9428d5

I read the poor review of SmartAngel, and MyPleasure1215's profile disappeared while we were in the middle of a promising chat. So I'm back to square one.

Can anyone recommend any MILFs in their 30's or 40's who are easy going and don't have unreasonable money expectations?

**Peter Johnson** · 03-07-23 08:09

Originally Posted by PeterPan [View Original Post]

$1 k per meet or even $500 per meet is a lot of money. For the couple of hours they spend! What else I also don't understand is some of the females making even more crazy amount on only fans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fired-tea...090033910.html

Unfortunately there are men who are clearly paying. Can't this lasting for ever though.

It's supply and demand, and there are a lot of attractive women out there, but there are 3.9 billion horny men on the planet. (Or ok, take out the gay guys and little kids, and you still have over 3 billion dudes). And men generally work hard and earn $, and they spend some of it on porn and adult entertainment. I'm glad only fans wasn't around when I was younger, because would have been tempting, I'm sure.

But yes, the hottest girls can do only fans and not even have to meet anyone in person. So we just are left with ones who are less than smoking hot, or hot ones who really enjoy sex. I paid a girl $500 per meet a couple of times last year, and it was worth it, because she was so my type and an incredible piece of ass. But I can't afford to do that regularly and $1k is just not reasonable for me, under any circumstances. Most of the time, I go for $250 to $300 max. I suppose $1 k is really just equivalent to two meets with the $500 girl, but I just am not going to do it. It's not even up for serious consideration, given my finances.

It depends on how much disposable income you have, and I'm not even wealthy. So there are plenty of guys where $1 k means little to nothing, and they compete with us, for the limited number of extra hot girls.

I know I'm mostly stating the obvious here, but just good to occasionally give myself a reality check, as well.

**Member #6704** · 03-07-23 01:05

Originally Posted by MacLuvin [View Original Post]

I blame * and the people who send these girls money online without ever meeting. They know they don't have to meet for less than that now. I've still found a few out there willing to take under $5 and unless they're North of 35 or just not pretty they're even getting difficult to get under $3 now. Crazy times.

$1 k per meet or even $500 per meet is a lot of money. For the couple of hours they spend! What else I also don't understand is some of the females making even more crazy amount on only fans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fired-tea...090033910.html

Unfortunately there are men who are clearly paying. Can't this lasting for ever though.

**MacLuvin** · 03-06-23 17:40

Originally Posted by 2me4Looking2 [View Original Post]

I know it's been said, but still getting frustrated with just how many women are expecting $1 k or more per meet and then get offended when you offer less. High end escorts are cheaper than that and a lot less hassle. This used to just be the occasional GPS, but now it's seems to be the norm. I'm assuming some guys are paying it which seems insane.

I blame * and the people who send these girls money online without ever meeting. They know they don't have to meet for less than that now. I've still found a few out there willing to take under $5 and unless they're North of 35 or just not pretty they're even getting difficult to get under $3 now. Crazy times.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-06-23 16:26

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

That's the thing. ..................so no one's doing that for pocket change and access is logged for years afterwards.

Ok we don't agree 100%, but for the most part, we do. Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed and well reasoned response. I could actually do a lot more to further protect my privacy. I probably go to greater lengths thann 98% of other people, but that's not saying much, and I could do much more.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-06-23 16:24

Originally Posted by NewAnonymousName [View Original Post]

But subpoenas don't go out unless you're being investigated for a crime or in a lawsuit (like a divorce proceeding). I'm not worried about those remote possibilities. I just don't want my name to go public if there's a hack of Seeking's database of members.

Yes, of course if the FBI gets you confused with a terrorist and goes after you, with help from the NSA, CIA, etc, then they are going to find you. But that is unlikely and there are still levels of privacy, and it pays not to be too lazy, with protecting yours, in this hobby. I could do a lot more, so I am not an ideal role model, but I try not to be too slack with all of it.

**2me4Looking2** · 03-06-23 16:10

I know it's been said, but still getting frustrated with just how many women are expecting $1 k or more per meet and then get offended when you offer less. High end escorts are cheaper than that and a lot less hassle. This used to just be the occasional GPS, but now it's seems to be the norm. I'm assuming some guys are paying it which seems insane.

**SonOfABeach** · 03-06-23 13:34

Whenever I click one of the links to a profile, it says that I'm blocked or I blocked them. How do I fix this issue?

**PrinceOfFools** · 03-06-23 05:51

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

Ok, so you say that paying for the prepaid card with cash is the exact same level of anonymity as paying with a credit card in your name. We will agree to disagree about that.

That's the thing. Neither is reasonably anonymous and it's theater to think it is, but of the activities that go into the hobby it's probably the most difficult to unmask due to protections around financial information so I have less concern about it than other things like phone numbers. If you're at the point of a warrant getting that kind of financial information, you have already fucked up so much that someone is going over your life with a fine-toothed comb with the power to subpoena information and you're doomed. Credit card companies do not get a receipt of what you bought, they get the total cost and location of the transaction. The store you bought the prepaid / gift card at keeps track of inventory and when something was bought. So the store knows something was bought and when it was bought, and if they want to they will find out it was you with their additional information like cameras. I haven't done the prepaid thing for a bit since I've been out of the hobby until recently for a couple years, but I regularly buy gift cards online as friends / family gifts at Christmas / etc to help cover for when I do decide to pick it up again. It's invisible activity, those cards cannot be tracked at all prior to activation so it doesn't matter how you pay for them as they're not tied to you and can't be. At best the vendor can say you bought *a* card, but can't prove it was *the* card. If the card can't be tracked, why does the payment method matter? There's a reason scammers use these for fraud like getting people to purchase them and send them the codes to cover something like supposedly unpaid taxes, it's a federal crime yet it's a constant scam that's never punished because it requires the scammer to fuck up to even start to provide enough information to find them. It's just another regular purchase that will never stand out even if scrutinized, just like buying groceries or gas with a credit card. If you want to use cash that's cool, it's just not doing a lot for you and I enjoy that cashback on my otherwise safe purchase.

You are going off on a tangent, but yes I do have one. And it is not tied to my real name, phone number, or address. Same with Kroger card. I also don't give any business my phone number unless they absolutely need to have it....because there's usually no good reason to do so, and plenty of downside.

Not a tangent at all, you brought up buying in a grocery store and privacy so it's relevant. Companies build profiles with this kind of data and consider it extremely valuable. The profiles built for this don't need your real info to eventually figure out enough about you to be identifiable unfortunately. Ever pay with a credit card using those grocery member numbers, even just once, or let someone else use the number like a friend or SO? Just like social media building ghost profiles for real people that aren't on the platform using 3rd party info like friends pictures (using facial rec to match you across pictures) and contact lists, with enough information that 'random info' grocery rewards card can be tied to you. Scary stuff, especially when it's sold to anyone who wants / can afford it.

Yes, with a hat and mask on.

https://live.staticflickr.com/3449/4...e9287678_z.jpg This you?

Google gait analysis and realize how this isn't really effective. Commercial security software from companies like Genetec or Verint includes this now and has a bunch of machine learning running constantly in the background to crunch the data, I see it at work daily. They don't need to see your face or body anyway, your car is in the parking lot and gets picked up by ALPRs in many public locations. Pick up your car near the parking lot with a ALPR, see it on the security footage, see who steps out of the car after it parks. You. Combine that with location data from your phone and you are very easy to track if you have access to the relevant information. You drive by several ALPRs on a daily basis in the ATL metro area and 'burbs probably without realizing it, there's 3 within 2 miles of my house that I've noticed so far. It's far easier to track your car and your phone than you personally and more reliable, gait / facial recognition is good but not perfect and can be fooled or unreliable with bad quality footage. ALPRs pretty much eliminate any semblance of anonymity if you drive your own car, it's ridiculous they exist in the commercial space.

I never said I was 100% anonymous at all times. You are saying none of it matters, because no one can have 100% perfect privacy at all times. Again, I disagree.

Some of us take some very easy steps to increase level of privacy, and some of us do not. But to suggest it is impossible to do so is transparently foolish and absurd.

Privacy matters a massive amount and I consider it constantly, most people just don't understand what is actually going on. It's extremely difficult to actually manage it effectively and it's easy to slip up while being overconfident you're 'invisible', especially due to tech you don't even know exists. An example would be DNA analysis using relatives as a reference. People committed crimes with no evidence except DNA left behind 50 years ago and never got DNA logged in a searchable database for any other reason, now their first cousin sends a swab with spit to 23 andMe and the person ends up arrested because companies feed that data straight to the gov. How the fuck do you plan around things like that you don't even know exist? The more corporations sell their information to Gov the worse it's going to get too. Why get a warrant when AT&T will sell your location data to the police and avoid that pesky 4th amendment? Some real fascist stuff where both corps and gov work together to fuck you over currently. Another great example I ran into recently. Go plug your real phone number (or someone you know) into USPhonebook dot com and see what amount of information pops up that is completely irrelevant to the phone number, like where you live and who your relatives are. You certainly didn't give that info to the phone company, they've aggregated a bunch of information from brokers to provide that for free to anyone that types the number in. Companies like corelogic just ingest information about private people and spit it out to anyone who pays.

You can do reasonable things to safeguard your privacy from individuals, but truly hiding from corps or gov without making massive alterations to your lifestyle is very difficult. I accept that some information is captured by others and work on what I think is reasonable and worth spending time on to obfuscate. Like my employer, they have the legal info required to employ me but things like my address, phone number, etc are all not directly tied to me. I use a UPS box for my address (technically easily tied to me, but it hides my physical address from anyone I provide it to which is its purpose. Most people don't realize it's not a physical address since it looks like an Apt #) and they have a google voice number for my personal phone number. I did this after my manager at one job decided to come to my house one day to see why I wasn't in yet. He pulled my personal info from the HR system without permission and did not get in trouble for it when I reported it. My next employer got a PO box and I've used that for other things like shipping internet stuff ever since.

I break it down into 3 categories. People that can learn enough to do me harm if they want to (sugar babies, assholes on the internet, etc), The State which can already find me if given enough reason to do so, and corporations that abuse my information and sell to the other two. You're never hiding from The State if they want you, the best you can do is not provide other people information they can provide The State to help locate you. You can obfuscate a ton of information from corps, but they're pretty good about building a composite of people with 3rd party information that is then resold for profit if they're in that business or gets leaked due to bad actors. This is probably your biggest danger.

For people that could harm me like sugar babies, they're never going to be able to locate things like 'how did I buy my seeking payment method' or 'who owns this phone number that's on a tracphone' or 'track the location of someone using this phone number' as that's beyond them and would require additional information they don't have anyway. They need 'first level' information that implicitly identifies you because that's the information's job, like your drivers license or the name on a credit card. To use 'second level' information, like a VIN / tag number, they need to go through The State or some corporation and usually need reason to do so. There's a 0% chance I'm knocking up one of these girls and I give them no other legit reason to go to big daddy government, so info like my VIN / tag number can't really be used even if they had it. The infamous 'someone at the DMV can look you up' bit is a federal crime (DPPA, was part of the '94 Violent Crime bill) with some nasty penalties attached so no one's doing that for pocket change and access is logged for years afterwards.