Philly Sugar

[Rubber Ducky Boston]

Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.

But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?

Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!

I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!

Sigh.

She showed me the messages, so she definitely isn't embellishing. And I don't know if its fair to say she's rinsing if she's making it very clear that she only wants platonic at multiple points (profile, messages, in person). At that point, don't hate the player, hate the game.

With that said, I think she's not necessarily indicative of the market as a whole. Other than being on the wrong side of 30, she's probably top 1% compared to other options in terms of being attractive, blonde, in good shape, intelligent, has a respectable job, and technically-speaking, financially independent and not needy. No kids, single, so no family/relationship drama.

I for sure have had plenty of sugar relationships NON platonic for around the same or less as what she's getting. Its not an efficient market.

[Shampoo55]

Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff!

Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.

But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?

Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!

I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!

Sigh.

[Rubber Ducky Boston]

Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff!

[OverKill418]

This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:

"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site. ".

If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:

"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me. ".

If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.

BAM.

I just told one that I don't pay for a first meet because it makes it seem like she is an escort and it cheapens what sugaring is.

[BamBam]

So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.

But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "

So that begs the question:

What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here?

How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?

We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.

This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:

"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site."

If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:

"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me."

If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.

BAM.

[JohnLongDong]

Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.

We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.

She claims to live in North Philadelphia and says her name is Alanna. She will make plans with you to change it last second. I offered to meet her on campus at Temple Univ campus for a meet and greet as I was not going to send her an Uber someone I never met and she went dark. She always cries bad fortune. She hasn't deluged me with cash app requests but she seems like a catfish having fun frustrating guys. Sounds like she has moved to scamming. She sounds like the typical drug addict.

[JDRedBull]

Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.


We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.

Yeah she contacted me. I just laughed at her. Told her you must not have read my profile. I state on my profile description. Absolutely no money before meeting. I just recently was texting a girl that looks gorgeous atleast 8 maybe 9. She wanted 500 and 100 dollars upfront. I told her no way. She texts back ok 400 and 100. I said I never pay anything up front. I told her to go scam someone else. See text back 300 and 100 upfront and free meetings after that. I told her that she must think I am stupid. I said for All I know you could be some guy using some girls pics. And I blocked girl.

Next. What to pay?. You guys do what you want but seriously. But I would bever pay 500 or more. Maybe for meeting 2 or 3 girls at the same time just for kicks. I actually was going to set up a 3some with 2 girls in there mid twenties for 300 but they were an hour away. They said if I paid for uber they would come. I told them. If they can get to where I am at I will reimburse them. But I will never pay anything before meeting that's it. Well they said they won't do it. Blocked and moved on. I am at most, have middle class income. I can do 150 to 250. So most times I will float around the site and wait until they contact me. Its usually easier to negotiate if they contact you.. As they must see something they like.. oh my pics are plane.. meaning no palm tress, nothing to make me look rich.. unless you are really bad looking i would rather play down the money..
If someone really has my eye. I may send a message and be upfront and say hey I am interested and looking for something steady. But I am not Donald Trump. If what you want is reasonable I am sure we can hang out once a week. Never give money numbers on the site. If they respond. Say you want to discuss what works in more detail but say its better if we text or talk about this off this site as its just not safe on here plus the site is ban happy. After that say I pay 300 or 200 or 400. Depending on what you can afford. I usually say 200. But say that would be every week. If they say they don't drive. I usually say if you can be pick up by me ok. If they insist on Uber. Say Ok I will pay the uber driver when you come or reimburse you. Also if you can't host. I usually say I could have done 200. But since I have to get a room and that cost money. I say I can only do 100 or 150. I do say that upfront before meeting. I say I am sure you are worth way more but that's all I am able to do and beside I want us to focus on having fun time and money is just a bonus. If the girl is not a scammer. That seems to work for me 40 to 60 percentof the time. I had 2 arrangements that last months for 100. One for 150 still going on. And I another that's a little pricey at 250. But she is gorgeous and 21. She actually wanted 500. But she must have seen something in me because she kept texting me 450 I said nope 400 I said nope. I told her seriously I can do 300 and that's my max. She agreed I saw her once. The next day she asked if I could see her again. I told her if want it steady I can do 250. Which is really high for me. But man she has no kids. And you hear of new car smell. Well she has young pussy smell. Very very light musty but slightly sweet smell. Clear wetness which very slippery but drys to slightly sticky to nothingness. Now that's some premium pussy and everything is bare. I am sorry but I am not sharing. I don't want her pussy to get contaminated by some dirty dick. After we part ways sure. I wish I had info of the last few that I had arrangements with. But I dont even see there profiles. Some moved on to more traditional relationships..

Thats is what works for me. Maybe its not for you or maybe someone has something better. Be safe and happy hunting.

[PinHead11]

Shampoo. I always appreciate your insight and your attitude because I try to do things the same way. In answer to your question, rather than question the person's character, I've simply replied to up front or meet & greet requests something like "I'm sure you have your reasons for this requirement and I respect that. But I've been ghosted before this way, so I can't do it. Thanks anyway and best of luck. " If they change their mind; great. If not, that's fine too.

Agree 100% on this.

I am nice and give the same reasoning. None that ask for money beforehand have ever changed their minds.

Unfortunately there are way too many of these people out there, so some guys MUST be paying upfront. No different than the guys offering 350+ per visit. I tell them they are very pretty and just out of my league. I can offer xxx and that's all. Although judging by the comments my SB past and present have mentioned, when guys come off with I want xxx sex acts for xxx minutes at xxx hotel or car well then no wonder it has gotten to be so difficult. They- the women assume all SD will treat them as a prostitutes.

I am so lucky to have a hot young SB who comes over for the entire day or evening and stays over night for less than some are paying for a hour at EPM or LKP.

[OverKill418]

I think that's a link to your inbox of messages. Please try to repost the profile.

You're assuming 1) nobody is falling for the money up front thing, which is probably not true, and 2) you're assuming these women are willing to change. A bunch of them don't NEED the money, they don't have drug / money problems necessarily. If they can get someone to fall for this, then great, but if not, they aren't necessarily going to change their ways just because nobody does.

Still think guys need to be firm on this. I do agree that some girls will not budge, but face it, they are rinsers and just looking for a fast buck. I told one that I would tack on her asking to get first allowance as a way to show she's serious. Obviously, she turned that down. So she was never going to get into an arrangement in the first place.

I just tell them not happening and we go out separate ways.

[Rubber Ducky Boston]

So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.

But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "

So that begs the question:

What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here?

How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?

We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.

You're assuming 1) nobody is falling for the money up front thing, which is probably not true, and 2) you're assuming these women are willing to change. A bunch of them don't NEED the money, they don't have drug / money problems necessarily. If they can get someone to fall for this, then great, but if not, they aren't necessarily going to change their ways just because nobody does.

[Pleck2]

So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.

But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "

So that begs the question:

What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here?

How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?

We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.

Shampoo. I always appreciate your insight and your attitude because I try to do things the same way. In answer to your question, rather than question the person's character, I've simply replied to up front or meet & greet requests something like "I'm sure you have your reasons for this requirement and I respect that. But I've been ghosted before this way, so I can't do it. Thanks anyway and best of luck. " If they change their mind; great. If not, that's fine too.

[Shampoo55]

Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.

We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.

This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!

https://members.seeking.com/messages...f-0d7e95be7db7

So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.

But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "

So that begs the question:

What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here?

How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?

We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.

[HenryT458]

Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.

We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.

[HenryT458]

This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!

https://members.seeking.com/messages...f-0d7e95be7db7

I think that's a link to your inbox of messages. Please try to repost the profile.

[OverKill418]

This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!

https://members.seeking.com/messages...f-0d7e95be7db7