Stupid Shit in NoVa

[Deranged]

OK.

The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".

Dr. Fauci and the rest of the Coronavirus Task Force held a nationally televised briefing today in which they talked about long-term COVID for the first term. You know who Dr. Fauci is, right? He runs the NIAID and reports to the director of the CDC and runs the US coronavirus response. Fauci and the Task Force even cited the exact same studies that I cited earlier.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/24/fauc...-9-months.html.[/QUOTE]So, yes, you are right about that website today, but it looks like that website will be changing very soon.

[FloorHump422]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

What legitimate points does conservatism have? We haven't seen true conservatism in this country since the '50's. What could possibly be attractive about maintaining the status quo of gross inequality we currently live in? As to your point about the vaccine, the health care companies made a point of not accepting tax-payer funding during its development. If anything, Trump contributed negatively to its development by challenging the advice of medical professionals and completely ignoring any sort of national response to the virus.

Being a moderate these days is a tacit acceptance of the undemocratic and oligarchical practices of the GOP aka the Qanon Party. If our "left" is center everywhere else in the world, where does being in the "center" here put you?

[HellBoyX]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

Agreed with a lot of this. All I want is for people to question what they hear. I picked up a rifle, and took a bullet for this country, is that so much to ask in return? I hate politics.

[TheOuroboros]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

[Barkeater]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[Squatty2]

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

California didn't really lock down (at least Californians didn't even f if the state mandated it), and the overwhelming majority of the deaths are in the Hispanic population, who by and large live in multi-generational housing. And whose livelihoods by and large weren't conducive to working from home and staying safe.

Trump IS an idiot. And a criminal, and a pathological liar, and a virulent racist. And a con man. People who voted for him lack character, and human decency.

[HellBoyX]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[Nova907]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.

[Grafenberg]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/607000/

Here's a great write up from what was known in February of last year, at some point, EVERYONE is going to get COVID.

Severe illness caused by viruses such as H5N1 also means that infected people can be identified and isolated, or that they died quickly. They do not walk around feeling just a little under the weather, seeding the virus. The new coronavirus (known technically as SARS-CoV-2) that has been spreading around the world can cause a respiratory illness that can be severe. The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent—exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.

Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they both contain single strands of RNA.* Four coronaviruses commonly infect humans, causing colds. These are believed to have evolved in humans to maximize their own spread—which means sickening, but not killing, people. By contrast, the two prior novel coronavirus outbreaks—SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, named for where the first outbreak occurred)—were picked up from animals, as was H5N1. These diseases were highly fatal to humans. If there were mild or asymptomatic cases, they were extremely few. Had there been more of them, the disease would have spread widely. Ultimately, SARS and MERS each killed fewer than 1,000 people.

COVID-19 is already reported to have killed more than twice that number. With its potent mix of characteristics, this virus is unlike most that capture popular attention: It is deadly, but not too deadly. It makes people sick, but not in predictable, uniquely identifiable ways. Last week, 14 Americans tested positive on a cruise ship in Japan despite feeling fine—the new virus may be most dangerous because, it seems, it may sometimes cause no symptoms at all.

[Admin2]

Your turn

OK.

The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".

[Deranged]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

The CDC says "some" because they are not yet ready to make an assertion on the subject and upgrade their warning to "a disturbing amount" but the early indicators are going in that direction. "Some" does not preclude "a disturbing amount", and you are smart enough to realize that. If I was a betting man, I would say that you will most likely be eating your words in several months as more authoritative research on the subject is published. The USA NIH has allocated $1 B to long-term COVID. We will be hearing more from the NIH and CDC in the near future about this condition and its prevalence.

Conveniently, you have opted to ignore the references that the Yahoo articles cited. Why? Are you more hesitant of questioning the references' legitimacy than Yahoo Lifestyles?

Here's another one.

Early in 2021, researchers in Wuhan, China, reported that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had at least one symptom that persisted 6 months after acute infection, mostly fatigue or muscle weakness. "Studies of non-hospitalized patients have shown that anywhere from 35% to 50% of non-hospitalized patients had symptoms 2 to 4 months later," Navis noted.

"If you take 30% of that who could have potential impacts on their quality of life in the next six to nine months, we're talking about huge numbers," Englund said.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/91270

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...-haul-symptoms#1.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l.../PIIS0140-6736(20) 32656-8/ fulltext.

This one is based on research published in The Lancet, one of the most reputable medical journals in the world. Do you question the legitimacy of The Lancet?

From the same article:

The University of Washington study followed 177 people with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who completed questionnaires from August to November 2020, 3 to 9 months after their COVID-19 onset (median 169 days). Mean age was 48 and 57% were women. Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (13%).

Across the cohort, 6.2% of participants were asymptomatic, 84.7% were outpatients with mild illness, and 9.0% were hospitalized with moderate or severe disease. Patients completed followup questionnaires a median of 169 days after COVID-19 onset.

Overall, 32.7% of outpatients and 31.3% of inpatients reported at least one persistent symptom, most commonly fatigue (13.6%) and loss of sense of smell or taste (13.6%). In addition, 13.0% reported other symptoms, including brain fog (2.3%).

Here's that paper which has been peer reviewed and studied.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776560

What about past coronaviruses? This is a novel coronavirus after all and not an influenza virus. If we want to make projections based on the past, we may look no farther than SARS in 2003.

This prospective cohort study has shown that 52% of SARS survivors had persistent impairment in DLCO and that exercise capacity and health status were significantly lower than the normal controls of the same age groups at 24 months post‐illness. In addition, only 78% of SARS survivors had returned to work and 29% of the HCW had not resumed duty.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7192220/

Here is another one regarding SARS.

Results Of 369 SARS survivors, 233 (63.1%) participated in the study (mean period of time after SARS, 41.3 months). Over 40% of the respondents had active psychiatric illnesses, 40.3% reported a chronic fatigue problem, and 27.1% met the modified 1994 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/415378

These are quite frightening results. I, like you, indeed do hope that this virus more resembles the flu than past novel coronaviruses.

This is a novel virus that is causing immunology textbooks to be re-written on the fly. There is new research coming out on a weekly basis on how different this virus is from everything we have ever seen. I am dumbfounded by how confident ordinary people are about something that is completely new to humanity. Foremost medical experts don't even remotely fully understand how the human body and viruses work, and yet here you are having absolutely everything figured out!

Your turn. I would love to read some data that points in the direction that COVID is not causing long-term debilitating effects in millions irrespective of age and prior health. I do not and cannot know everything and have an open mind here. Again, I hope you are correct and would love to read some articles that would give me a more optimistic outlook here.

[FloorHump422]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

Since when is being realistic fear porn? Sounds to me like you're participating in ignorance porn. Maybe it's time you looked at research outside of the US before proudly flaunting your ignorance. This research from the UK has a conservative estimate of 10% of people who've contracted the virus as suffering from Long Covid, which would be at least 11 million people globally. Even if that number were "only" in the thousands, it would be disingenuous of you to dismiss their experiences considering the hardship you say you've seen living in a "third-world country".

You're also placing stock into a webpage from the CDC that hasn't been updated since November and when the CDC hasn't even updated its directives about mask quality and proper ventilation to mitigate the spread of the virus. There is a lot we still don't know about this virus so it escapes me how you could easily disregard the experiences of a marginalized population in favor of exposing more people to possible death or lifelong health complications. How can you advocate for continuing business as usual when the risks are this great? The economic cost of lockdowns is high, but the burden of medical complications on healthcare systems because of the virus, even after "recovery", would be unprecedented.

Are you pulling numbers out of your ass again? 400 M? 111 M people have contracted covid globally. If you're also referring to people who haven't contracted it but haven been affected by it, then it would be disingenuous for you to consider them but disregard long haulers.

https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedre...-with-covid19/#Research.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...we-know-so-far

[Admin2]

How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covi...215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long...ctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

[Deranged]

Exactly. The long term effects we're going to have to deal with are the result of the damage done by cowardly morons freaking out and insisting on "mitigations" that do far more harm than good.

Every flu-like virus causes long term effects in a small number of people. Covid is not any different, but idiots want to LARP a pandemic. JFC, it's been a year.

How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.

I am hardly alone. While there are no exact figures on how many people around the world are suffering from what is currently being called long COVID syndrome or post-acute COVID syndrome, some estimates put the number in the millions. Self-described long-haulers like myself have banded together, though, by forming online support groups and joining social media spaces in an effort to get answers.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covi...215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

It exists and it can affect folks young and old and those with or without previous underlying health conditions. In fact, new research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-COVID Care has shown that 10-30% of all COVID patients will become long haulers. To emphasize, thats 10-30% of all COVID patients, not 10-30% of those who are of a certain age, or those who required hospitalization. Early research suggests, even, that those who had mild symptoms and recovered at home are most likely to experience long haul symptoms.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

About 10 to 30% of all Covid patients will suffer from long haul symptoms, according to the latest research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-Covid Care.
Medical researchers still dont know whether patients with post acute Covid syndrome will be dealing with the effects for the rest of their lives, or just a matter of months.
Young people are less likely to die from the novel coronavirus, but severe long-haul symptoms should be a wake-up call to them, says Texas Childrens Hospital Dr. Peter Hotez.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long...ctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.

[Dimples572]

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