Massage Parlor Reports

[Ocdtnb]

Anyone have recent experience at the place across the street from F&C? I read back a ways (and maybe missed it) but it's also a difficult name to search, since it's so short. Also, is that shop on IG? Thanks!

[Mustang3]

https://reason.com/blog/2019/03/04/s...rida-sting/amp

Wiregrass:

According to NYP article I posted:

According to Robert Kraft's lawyer:

There's also no proof in the affidavit that he solicited anything from the women. It is possible that this could have been a legal and consensual act between adults and there does not seem to be evidence to prove otherwise. So the facts supporting a misdemeanor charge of solicitation really don't jump out at you.

Second, the video was probably not legally obtained, the police seemed to ignore the necessity requirement for such an intrusive measure like planting a camera in the premises. (The law stipulates police should only seek warrants for surveillance cameras if no other evidence is available to support their case, so Kraft's lawyers could argue the video footage is not legal and an invasion of privacy).

And third, I doubt the traffic stop was legal either. So the evidence will likely be suppressed (by Kraft's legal team) if there is ever a trial.

They did not have the evidence required to legally install the camera's. Second the way they identified the people in the tape was to pull them over for fake traffic violations then sweat them into confessing.

In short, this was illegal surveillance and if the John's did not incriminate themselves uncle LEO would have no real case. Do not talk to the police. Fair warning though, if they read you your rights, they will hold you the maximum time they legally can to sweat a confession out of you. If they have arrested you, you'll have to think about how long you can afford to spend in holding. Then offer to sign a confession written by the cop, if they agree in writing to release you without bond if you sign. Then you can always later use that to argue they colluded the confession out of you. Also, you can use a threat to seize your property as compulsion to sign a confession. This varies state to state though.

[TwoBlueBalls]

It's also a bit of an idiot test. If you can't scroll through this thread and figure it out you are lazy and don't deserve to know.

That's exactly what I thought with your first response. You're not throwing LEO or anyone off other than lazy idiots. Appreciate this 2nd response.

[Mustang3]

Wasn't the sneek and peek part of the Patriot act to stop terrorist. Looks like another violation of privacy rights of the American people.

I've copied (and reposted it here) this question and answer. I found it on the Huntsville, AL. Massage board. I'm not vouching for its correctness, just saying.


Still not sure how they identified these guys. Were they caught in a sting, or was the place keeping records?


Florida has what is called "sneak and peek" warrants which allow infiltration and covert placement of video cameras. Reading what available press found, it seems there was an evacuation called in the plaza where the spa is located over a "suspicious package" (placed there by LEO). While all businesses were cleared, under the guise of a search of all establishments to clear the area the cameras were placed. I should there has been a history of less obvious methods of placing cameras as well, including after-hours infiltration.

Once cameras were in place, it was a simple matter of pulling people over after seeing them exit the establishment under whatever pretense needed. Their identities could then be established and recorded for future cross-reference against video evidence.

[Jw112]

Any reason you OC mongers keep referring to this place as the business close by? Can any regulars confirm if business back to normal?

It's also a bit of an idiot test. If you can't scroll through this thread and figure it out you are lazy and don't deserve to know.

[Jw112]

Any reason you OC mongers keep referring to this place as the business close by? Can any regulars confirm if business back to normal?

Yes, this Forum is monitored by LE. Last time everyone got loose lipped about this location we lost their great service. You have no idea who is asking for intel on this. In fact you don't know if I'm LE. There is more than enough intel in this thread to figure it out for those willing to scroll through. No reason to hand it over to newbies with only a few posts. Just my opinion.

[Oc Amper]

I've copied (and reposted it here) this question and answer. I found it on the Huntsville, AL. Massage board. I'm not vouching for its correctness, just saying.


Still not sure how they identified these guys. Were they caught in a sting, or was the place keeping records?


Florida has what is called "sneak and peek" warrants which allow infiltration and covert placement of video cameras. Reading what available press found, it seems there was an evacuation called in the plaza where the spa is located over a "suspicious package" (placed there by LEO). While all businesses were cleared, under the guise of a search of all establishments to clear the area the cameras were placed. I should there has been a history of less obvious methods of placing cameras as well, including after-hours infiltration.

Once cameras were in place, it was a simple matter of pulling people over after seeing them exit the establishment under whatever pretense needed. Their identities could then be established and recorded for future cross-reference against video evidence.

The articles say, just as it says above, the people were pulled over in traffic stops. In one case was a passenger, some how the driver was pulled over, and LE must have asked for his ID. Attorney's say his case seems to be on shaky ground, given a number of things, invasion of privacy, warrants, pulled over under false pretenses, etc.
He has the money and incentive to fight this, most don't and will just pay the fines.

[OCPlayer]

I've copied (and reposted it here) this question and answer. I found it on the Huntsville, AL. Massage board. I'm not vouching for its correctness, just saying.


Still not sure how they identified these guys. Were they caught in a sting, or was the place keeping records?


Florida has what is called "sneak and peek" warrants which allow infiltration and covert placement of video cameras. Reading what available press found, it seems there was an evacuation called in the plaza where the spa is located over a "suspicious package" (placed there by LEO). While all businesses were cleared, under the guise of a search of all establishments to clear the area the cameras were placed. I should there has been a history of less obvious methods of placing cameras as well, including after-hours infiltration.

Once cameras were in place, it was a simple matter of pulling people over after seeing them exit the establishment under whatever pretense needed. Their identities could then be established and recorded for future cross-reference against video evidence.

I think this has been mentioned before but seems like if LE was truly concerned about the welfare of those that were suspected of being trafficked, they would have moved quickly to free them rather than continue to monitor with intention of arresting visitors to the establishment.

[Incognito22]

Wiregrass:

According to NYP article I posted:

According to Robert Kraft's lawyer:

There's also no proof in the affidavit that he solicited anything from the women. It is possible that this could have been a legal and consensual act between adults and there does not seem to be evidence to prove otherwise. So the facts supporting a misdemeanor charge of solicitation really don't jump out at you.

Second, the video was probably not legally obtained, the police seemed to ignore the necessity requirement for such an intrusive measure like planting a camera in the premises. (The law stipulates police should only seek warrants for surveillance cameras if no other evidence is available to support their case, so Kraft's lawyers could argue the video footage is not legal and an invasion of privacy).

And third, I doubt the traffic stop was legal either. So the evidence will likely be suppressed (by Kraft's legal team) if there is ever a trial.

They did not have the evidence required to legally install the camera's. Second the way they identified the people in the tape was to pull them over for fake traffic violations then sweat them into confessing.

In short, this was illegal surveillance and if the John's did not incriminate themselves uncle LEO would have no real case. Do not talk to the police. Fair warning though, if they read you your rights, they will hold you the maximum time they legally can to sweat a confession out of you. If they have arrested you, you'll have to think about how long you can afford to spend in holding. Then offer to sign a confession written by the cop, if they agree in writing to release you without bond if you sign. Then you can always later use that to argue they colluded the confession out of you. Also, you can use a threat to seize your property as compulsion to sign a confession. This varies state to state though.

[HapaBoy86]

I've copied (and reposted it here) this question and answer. I found it on the Huntsville, AL. Massage board. I'm not vouching for its correctness, just saying.


Still not sure how they identified these guys. Were they caught in a sting, or was the place keeping records?


Florida has what is called "sneak and peek" warrants which allow infiltration and covert placement of video cameras. Reading what available press found, it seems there was an evacuation called in the plaza where the spa is located over a "suspicious package" (placed there by LEO). While all businesses were cleared, under the guise of a search of all establishments to clear the area the cameras were placed. I should there has been a history of less obvious methods of placing cameras as well, including after-hours infiltration.

Once cameras were in place, it was a simple matter of pulling people over after seeing them exit the establishment under whatever pretense needed. Their identities could then be established and recorded for future cross-reference against video evidence.

Just like the Seattle / Bellevue, the le took pics of there license plates and got there names and addies through dmv records.

[Wiregrass]

I've copied (and reposted it here) this question and answer. I found it on the Huntsville, AL. Massage board. I'm not vouching for its correctness, just saying.


Still not sure how they identified these guys. Were they caught in a sting, or was the place keeping records?


Florida has what is called "sneak and peek" warrants which allow infiltration and covert placement of video cameras. Reading what available press found, it seems there was an evacuation called in the plaza where the spa is located over a "suspicious package" (placed there by LEO). While all businesses were cleared, under the guise of a search of all establishments to clear the area the cameras were placed. I should there has been a history of less obvious methods of placing cameras as well, including after-hours infiltration.

Once cameras were in place, it was a simple matter of pulling people over after seeing them exit the establishment under whatever pretense needed. Their identities could then be established and recorded for future cross-reference against video evidence.

[PhantomPhx69]

First off f&c fulklk name is Fish & Chips. LOL Not that hard to find it off the 405 and westminster.

Springdale.

[TwoBlueBalls]

I realize that it is too short to use the search, but if you read even just a handful of pages back you'll find it.

Any reason you OC mongers keep referring to this place as the business close by? Can any regulars confirm if business back to normal?

[Wally Wally]

First off f&c fulklk name is Fish & Chips. LOL Not that hard to find it off the 405 and westminster. Just follow the herpes.

Been going to places with dresses. Always enjoy that more then jeans. Can just be HJ place dpoesnt need to do everything. Vy massage and a few other places are ok. Need to go on the hunt again for new places. I get msgs about south county. There are a few over priced FS places and the others just do limited handys. Not really worth stopping for unless there is one hiding. Fairveiw over priced and crowded. Busted the whole building years back so I avoid it. LFBC did do ok last time I went. Stopped by accident on way to san diego. Got a little chunk short blonde asian. A bit older but a nice big ass that I like lots. Big tits too. She changed her clothes before she came into room that were way looser and shorter. They must be slow since she was so good to me.

San diego has lots of places that are good.

[AidanJ329]

It's been a while, but I do have two reviews for ya gents.

Mimosa.

I used to frequent this place until it was placed under new management, girls used to be bombshells like the honey ones but now they are more on the older side which I don't mind and most of them have bolt ons. Place charged. 40 hhr and prices vary on he, got the receptionist (might've been the only girl there) a lot of gut and didn't get fully naked. Nice D cups I think. Service felt robotic but there might be a hidden gem so I might try again.

Place by honey not sure of the name but the girls who try to call you in.

So I was going to let lady luck take the wheel and give honey another chance as Megan was not worth the bill. But on my way into the plaza this asian provider waved at me to come in. First red flag she locked the door behind me. Second red flag only one room and third when it came time for fun she wanted a tip first. 4 hhr 1. 6 FS (which I talked her down but YMMV) I don't think I will be visiting this place again as it's very risky.