"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DrSummer]

Sorry, I struck a deal with her right after the first date for two dates a week on a weekly allowance, I couldn't resist. She says she has time for only only SD. Although I am not sure I believe that, I am not inclined to share her details as of now. Anyway, I am (and SB) in Charleston, and if you are in Richmond, it may not work anyway. I come here to Richmond SB forum mainly to get general info, tactics etc, not really to get intel on girls.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Care to share her profile name?

[RVASpider]

We all know that (at least the members here), and has been discussed here numerous times. The chances of success for girls looking for on-line, or "platonic" are slim and either they drop out of the scene or learn how to spread their legs little bit more to stay in business. I have about a year of experience with SA, and met at least 50 potential SB's in person. For the first time, I met a girl two days ago who confessed to that fact. She is a 20 year old college junior (exchange student). We got comfortable with each other very quickly. She told me she tried "online" first with no success at all. Then changed her profile to 'platonic', still very little interested parties. Only when she offered "intimacy", there were serious interest from SDs.

Fast forward, this girl is model quality (at least 9. 5 out of 10 in my scale), slim girl with curves at the right places, cute face and flawless body. Spent 2 hours at FC yesterday, the best erotic experience in my life. Not just the sex, the whole experience was far beyond what I expected. There are few gems out there if you are patient enough to find them.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Care to share her profile name?

[Zcochran00]

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps!

[DrSummer]

I know it was a stupid move from me. I thought she was bull shitting me about being pre-med etc, I didn't think all add up. I asked her for a confirmation of her age, she handed her drivers licence to me. Very unique name, I found all her info through social media etc, and all she told me turned out to be true. Good news is that I took her to FC after few days, she turned out to be an energizer bunny in bed. So, I didn't loose out. She is still little too big for my liking though.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

I'm shocked you turned down a 19 yo pussy. I have always thought that you only have time to get so much pussy and any missed opportunity is just a missed chance and lost forever. I have to hand it to you for your resolve but fault you for not getting it when you can.

[DrSummer]

We all know that (at least the members here), and has been discussed here numerous times. The chances of success for girls looking for on-line, or "platonic" are slim and either they drop out of the scene or learn how to spread their legs little bit more to stay in business. I have about a year of experience with SA, and met at least 50 potential SB's in person. For the first time, I met a girl two days ago who confessed to that fact. She is a 20 year old college junior (exchange student). We got comfortable with each other very quickly. She told me she tried "online" first with no success at all. Then changed her profile to 'platonic', still very little interested parties. Only when she offered "intimacy", there were serious interest from SDs.

Fast forward, this girl is model quality (at least 9. 5 out of 10 in my scale), slim girl with curves at the right places, cute face and flawless body. Spent 2 hours at FC yesterday, the best erotic experience in my life. Not just the sex, the whole experience was far beyond what I expected. There are few gems out there if you are patient enough to find them.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[EasyeOne]

On this one, anyone. https://www.seeking.com/member/01d1b...4-18ceafac6f68.

Small talk and then the long message with expectations / rules. Although not asking for money for the meet, to schedule the second date requires a 300 payment upfront before the second date? Wants 600 per month but needs the 300 upfront. Am I missing something?

"I ask that on the first date we get to know each other & determine if we want to pursue an arrangement. By the end of the 1st date, if & ONLY if we both want to move forward I do ask 300 allowance which goes towards the monthly 600 that I ask for. This provides me with safety and comfort knowing you are genuinely interested in an arrangement and my value is not equated to simply sex=money. Otherwise I would just feel like a hooker. This is NOT upfront, it's only if we both decide to have a 2nd date".

[DrSummer]

In general, your statement on single photo profiles is correct in my experience. But, I can give you two examples where it turned out to be wrong. The SB I have found from SA that I dated for the longest had a single photo in her profile. It was my early days on SA, I was just sending messages to all. But I asked her more photos after few messages, she texted me. She turned out to be a great find. The key is to ask for more photos very early in communication, and see if they do it. I usually read the profile anyway even if she has a single photo. You can get some clues. Most recently I messaged a 19 year college girl who had a single face photo and profile said "curvy", a sure shot case of a fat girl. She texted me an additional photo, but it was not conclusive either, but the profile seemed genuine and communication was good. So, I took a chance for a "no obligation" meet. She turned out to be a well figured cute girl (I would call her "slim" actually). The arrangement didn't work out due to other issues (allowance etc) though. With 18-22-olds you never know what they think.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.

Be safe. Ripper.

[RogerOver]

She has been discussed several times before and used to go by "The Baroness". Crazy GPS that is really hard to understand. She has been doing the same stupid stuff for years, claims to be a keynote speaker at the Sugar Baby forum and all.

She is well below the quality of any of my past SB and an order of magnitude more expensive.

Run far, run fast!

That's crazy. That chick is seriously not that hot, and is clearly drama. She's like a Caucasian Amarosa. LOL.

[JKingFun]

I dreamt of the absolutely most exquisite sb. 24. Body won't stop. Wet kitty. Expensive. But compared to broke crack hoes worth every penny. Got to catch myself. She's not into me. Just that $$. But she's a gen.

[Cabsauv1997]

For all those of you that like give money away without playtime.

Says pretty clearly that she doesn't want to date. What's confusing about it?

[HottRod66]

For all those of you that like give money away without playtime.

Well I guess you got to give her credit at least she's honest!! Probably won't be many takers but there's always a sucker around the corner!!

[GoneForDays]

Hey brothers. I also posted this in the Atlanta thread, but curious to hear your thoughts as well.

Let me be clear. There are plenty of gems still on the site, but the amount of time I have invested this go round weeding out flakes and scammers has been insane. By now most veterans know the rules to spot the spammers and old BP pros (talk of time limits, in town for only one night, send me money before meeting, can you cover my gas money, my mother is having a major surgery, blah blah).

But what are some other methods you guys are using to weed out the flakes and scammers?

For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.

Be safe. Ripper.

I've been catfished a few times, stood up for dates. Now I insist on a quick voice verification before I talk about specifics. I've never had a problem with the real girls taking the time to talk to me.

[Ripvan12]

Hey brothers. I also posted this in the Atlanta thread, but curious to hear your thoughts as well.

Let me be clear. There are plenty of gems still on the site, but the amount of time I have invested this go round weeding out flakes and scammers has been insane. By now most veterans know the rules to spot the spammers and old BP pros (talk of time limits, in town for only one night, send me money before meeting, can you cover my gas money, my mother is having a major surgery, blah blah).

But what are some other methods you guys are using to weed out the flakes and scammers?

For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.

Be safe. Ripper.

[Madaboutmax]

She has been discussed several times before and used to go by "The Baroness". Crazy GPS that is really hard to understand. She has been doing the same stupid stuff for years, claims to be a keynote speaker at the Sugar Baby forum and all.

She is well below the quality of any of my past SB and an order of magnitude more expensive.

Run far, run fast!

The Provocateur https://www.seeking.com/member/aa882...0-010a3153e395.

Been messaging because she kept messaging me so I decided, what the hell, let's see what she is about. I figured she is so full of herself, probably not having a lot of luck and probably wants some like the rest of us. So was going to meet this week, till she of course says my allowance is way too low and she usually gets $1000-$5000 per visit! Well that was a quick bye, but really. She acts like she is so successful, doesn't need the money, and wants an arrangement based on chemistry and respect. Sounds to me like it's about the money. Oh well, kind of figured it was going to go that way.

[JZLizard]

JL, I have tremendous respect for all your input and well-thought-out and well-written responses, but in this particular case, I may have to disagree.

1. Consider this hypothetical scenario: Two or more SBs, one of them pregnant, all coincidentally having hired the same lawyer, all come up with more or less the same story saying you made promises of finding a job or promised to hire them or otherwise help them with their, I don't know, pet sitting career, yourself or through friends. Then "lured" them into your love shack to discuss their "career", and before they knew it, you were on top pounding away. Not likely? Think again my friend. You get a female judge and an overzealous prosecutor and I think your case is sealed, whether you work in show business or not, especially if you have deep pockets. I don't know about you guys, but I personally never discuss $ or specifics over text or on a website or anything with an audit trail, because that can lead to other problems (solicitation, pandering, trafficking, FOSTA). I only discuss things in person. So this could easily turn into a "he said, she said" argument, except now there is your word against three.

I haven't yet pulled the trigger as far as self hosting, but before I do, I think I will take your advice and invest in a nanny cam. A couple actually. I'm not sure if that's 100% legal, but I would rather have it and not need it than not have it. And it looks like I will have to keep the recordings for many years. Crap!

2. The pull out method doesn't always work, from what I've heard and read. I have unloaded inside a few times when the girl said "don't worry, I'm on the pill" or "I have an IUD", but I'm still worried. I really, really don't want any junior assaholics out there crawling around on the rugs in someone's dilapidated ghetto apartment, but the temptation is sometimes so great that I just say ah fuck it, just this one time. So far I've been lucky, but I am fully aware that I'm walking on thin ice here.

I also believe one should not put too much faith in one's ability to remain completely anonymous. Case in point. As I've mentioned before, unlike most of you guys here, I never got much traction on SA, so I've branched out to alternative methods for finding SBs. Just the other day I got a match with a 20 year old on Tinder and she sends me a one-word message. That word was my real name. I have a rare name, so no way this was a coincidence. I replied, without confirming or denying that she was on the right track, but she ghosted me. WTF just happened? She did not look familiar to me at all. Took a screen shot, did an image search, did a FB search, IG search. Nothing came up. Now keep in mind that I'm in IT and security is in my DNA. My phone is a pay-as-you-go burner registered under a phony (NPI) name, phony address, paid with cash, Burner app loaded, the works. Google, Facebook, IG, GMail, Tinder, Bumble, all are under pseudonyms with zero ties to my real identity. My FB and Tinder profiles do have a real, but old picture of me with sunglasses, used nowhere else and it comes up empty under Tineye and Google Images. I do all my mongering activity on a separate, dedicated virtual computer which is used for nothing else and I never monger on my real PC or phone. Now you tell me, how in the F did this supposed bimbo figure out my real name? Thankfully, I'm single and self-employed, don't have deep pockets, and have no worries at all if I'm "exposed", but this incident gave me a real wake up call as to how un-anonymous we really are.

It's all good, life would be boring if everyone agreed with me. The thing is, I have just brought too many girls back to my place during my dating time -- girls who would have loved the financial security of having a long-term relationship with me -- to be concerned with the scenario you've described. Dating is dating and single men do bring girls back to their place to seduce them, and it's been that way since the beginning of time.

What I've found is that "game" is not just the art of getting a woman to spread their legs for you. Game is just a social skill of handling women -- everything from the pickup to the breakup. As long as you do that skillfully, most of the time you won't have vengeful nut jobs trying to chase you down in court. Paternity -- yes, that is another issue and yes it's true pulling out doesn't always work, but the only time I'm aware of that I did get a girl pregnant, it was when I had cum inside on multiple occasions. Never to my knowledge, even in long-term relationships, has anyone gotten pregnant by me when I pulled out. And, all of my former girls know how to reach me by phone, so I'm guessing I would know about it if it ever happened. They usually continue to ask if I want to see them for some period of time, and slowly over time I come up with a story like I've found the one I want to marry and that usually sends them packing. Remember these girls are smoking hot and have guys chasing them constantly, they are not going to sit around and just continue to brood because a middle aged guy doesn't want to see them anymore, they have plenty of options and the next distraction will be along to catch her interest in no time.

Bottom line is, dating is what it is and going back to the guys place is part of the ritual. For them to say you offered them a job or whatever, well they would need some proof so hopefully no SDs are actually doing that (if they do they are taking on unnecessary risk). There was a guy a while back who was luring would-be SBs in with help-wanted ads for various non-sexual jobs, and I remember writing about what a bad idea I thought that was. Once professional rank enters the equation, it gets dangerous due to sexual harassment laws.

If concerned about pregnancy and STDs, get a vasectomy and some condoms, or just don't stay with one for too long. The longer you are with her, the higher the chances of something taking a turn for the worst.

I'm just saying that it's not a crime to bang a girl a few times then move on to another one, and if they want to go to the court stating they were the victim of a pickup artist, and cannot provide solid evidence they were victimized, I don't think any judge (female or otherwise) is likely to take them seriously.