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  1. #10428

    Sigh

    Jm,

    I don't think there's anything wrong with doing a little reconnaissance on if a place is legit or not. Prior to my post, I didn't find any info on FF, so I checked the place. That's WTF I was doing. So, this was not an issue of failing to use the forum effectively to find spots that offer what I was looking for, rather than me trying to find a new spot that probably hadn't been discover yet and / or mentioned.

    Now, is it my lack of tipping that disgusts you? Tough tit! I'm not concerned with rationalizing or justifying any decision I make in this case.

    And because my choice not tip, doesn't concern the market of AMPs, escorts, or the hobby in general and a whole. Why are we discussing my personal etiquette.

    Now, if you want to go ahead and say I'm a dirtbag customer (which I may be in this case), fine be my guest, I just came here to receive and report back to the community.

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    Ok, if you only tip for extras then WTF are you doing walking into a spa where you have no idea if extras are even available? To go back to my earlier example, if you're only willing to tip when a restaurant serves you steak then why would you walk into a place without knowing whether steak was actually available? It's not like there's a lack of info about HE joints, right? A quick search of the forum leads to multiple options in multiple locations.

    So the plain fact is that you walked into a legit spa, received a 90 min legit massage, and then refused to leave any tip at all. Even accepting the massage was mediocre, you could (and should) have left something, if not 20%. To leave nothing at all is, from any angle I can see, the mark of a deadbeat customer. You can try to justify and rationalize anyway you want but the truth of the matter is you refused to tip after receiving a service for which gratuities are customarily expected and paid. And any misunderstanding about the extra level of service you expected to receive was 100% on you.

  2. #10427
    FF is definitely legit. When did they start offering showers?

  3. #10426
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBarbarian  [View Original Post]
    But Jm. Much respect to your seniority but I'm not tipping a legitimate masseuse, esp. For a mediocre massage. I tip for extras. I paid for what I got which was listed on their site / ad.
    Of course you should tip a legitimate masseuse. Don't you tip your barber?

  4. #10425
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1946
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  5. #10424

    Cherubic place.

    May my way back to Angel's, confirmed Coco was there along with Linda, but drew Lisa. Good experience, but my first time with her, so I didn't expect too much.

    Coco is very busy now. To be sure to see her, make an appointment.

    Happy mongering.

    Hunts.

  6. #10423

    Lotto was busy.

    I dropped into Arlington Therapy this morning but Lotto was already with a customer. Coco (yes, I know.) was available, so I went ahead and saw her. She is probably also in her 50's, nice little body, decent size breasts (probably C cup). She gave a very attentive massage with lots of teasing. When it came time for the flip, she provided a similar menu to Lotto. More than a typical NOVA finish. She was open to lots of roaming and left me very happy. I would see either one of them again.

  7. #10422

    I see your point

    But Jm. Much respect to your seniority but I'm not tipping a legitimate masseuse, esp. For a mediocre massage. I tip for extras. I paid for what I got which was listed on their site / ad.

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    You just ended up at an establishment where, at least with that particular masseuse, extras aren't available. That happens all the time and, unless there are reports to the contrary, I always go to a new AMP expecting them to be legit. Then if something extra happens it's a pleasant surprise.

    About all the checkboxes you listed, there's nothing I noticed that would be a clear indication one way or the other. Asian legit masseuses are often more relaxed about nudity and even if they take off or move the draping that's still not a sure sign of extras. And they massage so many men that when a guy gets hard they know how to work around it and generally ignore it. And even if they notice and talk about it (usually with a laugh or giggle) that moves the needle closer but still isn't a guarantee.

    About the tip, if you left nothing at all then that's wrong, IMHO. She provided a 90 min massage and a shower and deserves at least 15%-20% or, if the massage was average, maybe 10%-15%. There was no sign saying "HE available here" when you walked in. It would be like walking into a burger joint and refusing to tip the waitress because steak wasn't on the menu. The waitress delivered a burger and you ate it, so she deserves a tip for the level of service she provided even if it wasn't what you were hoping to get.

  8. #10421
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBarbarian  [View Original Post]
    The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

    I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

    So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

    Check one.

    Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

    Check two.

    Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

    Check three.

    Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

    Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

    Super disappointed and confused.

    1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

    2. Propositioned earlier.

    3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

    I don't know but that was that.

    On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

    Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

    Take Care.
    That's the oldest trick in the book. "Accidentally" touch you and then ask if you would like to add more time. Then send you packing with nothing.

    FF is fairly legit. They do let you finish yourself off, but don't assist.

  9. #10420
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1946

    Nothing went wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBarbarian  [View Original Post]
    The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

    I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

    So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

    Check one.

    Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

    Check two.

    Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

    Check three.

    Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

    Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

    Super disappointed and confused.

    1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

    2. Propositioned earlier.

    3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

    I don't know but that was that.

    On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

    Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

    Take Care.
    You just ended up at an establishment where, at least with that particular masseuse, extras aren't available. That happens all the time and, unless there are reports to the contrary, I always go to a new AMP expecting them to be legit. Then if something extra happens it's a pleasant surprise.

    About all the checkboxes you listed, there's nothing I noticed that would be a clear indication one way or the other. Asian legit masseuses are often more relaxed about nudity and even if they take off or move the draping that's still not a sure sign of extras. And they massage so many men that when a guy gets hard they know how to work around it and generally ignore it. And even if they notice and talk about it (usually with a laugh or giggle) that moves the needle closer but still isn't a guarantee.

    About the tip, if you left nothing at all then that's wrong, IMHO. She provided a 90 min massage and a shower and deserves at least 15%-20% or, if the massage was average, maybe 10%-15%. There was no sign saying "HE available here" when you walked in. It would be like walking into a burger joint and refusing to tip the waitress because steak wasn't on the menu. The waitress delivered a burger and you ate it, so she deserves a tip for the level of service she provided even if it wasn't what you were hoping to get.

  10. #10419

    Trying to be considerate

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbarber307  [View Original Post]
    You've come to this country looking for work, don't know a soul, can't speak the language well, and have been working under the table at a local burger joint from 930 am to 1030 pm for two months straight. You cannot leave for lunch or to run errands because customers come all day and night; even when there is no business you are still confined to the premises. Your only outlet is whatever you can do on your phone. So you sit there staring at the screen until someone comes through the door. You deal with ugly customers, ugly food, and messy hands all day. When you go home each night, you have about an hour of down time before having to go to bed and repeat the same routine again, and again, ad infinitum. Don't forget you're sharing one room with one or two other employees. Today you're beleagured with work because the place is short staffed. By night time, you are exhausted, and cannot wait to go home. You powered down the friers and cleaned out the ice cream machine. Ten minutes before closing a random dude comes in and orders two large fries and a large chocolate shake. And he's going to stay past closing, plop down, and take his time eating his meal. Don't be that guy and expect a top notch dining experience.
    Good point, everyone should try to avoid being that guy. Though I am new to the area I am not new to the game. Since it was after 8, I called (providing opportunity for them to say no) and was told to come on in. I arrived before 9 (the ad says they close at 10) and asked for 60 leaving plenty of time for breakdown / next day prep. IMHO, if you are going to ask for 60, arriving 70 or 75 min before closing is last customer.

    Everyone has a bad day on occasion but if I reach out and am told to come in I expect, at min, a decent legit massage and a modicum of professionalism.

  11. #10418

    FF Massage

    The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

    I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

    So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

    Check one.

    Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

    Check two.

    Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

    Check three.

    Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

    Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

    Super disappointed and confused.

    1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

    2. Propositioned earlier.

    3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

    I don't know but that was that.

    On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

    Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

    Take Care.

  12. #10417

    Angel

    Angel — Coco — OMG — Mic Drop.

    Nothing more to say.

    Rub.

  13. #10416
    Shill for CC Wellness Center. Ignore everything I say.


    Posts: 200

    NEW SKY THERAPY- Reopens with New Spa Experience. Coco

    I decided to check out NEW SKY THERAPY's Grand Re-Opening. Greeted by Coco. Absolutely Beautiful. I got a 1 hour massage from Coco. Coco gave me an excellent massage, exactly what my body needed. Very pleased! Complete Relaxation. Highly recommended!

  14. #10415

    Happy Times at Angel T.

    Finally had a chance to visit after they reopened. All my favorite trios are still there. Jenny is there now only on Sundays. I was told there is a new young pretty girl scheduled to arrive in late November. I had a hard time catching the name, sounded like "Yoomi"? May be Yummi. Anyways I am more than content with any of the three Dolls (checkout previous post for names). What a game to play with Dolls. I am in rapture.

    SS.

  15. #10414

    Look at it this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by WunderLast  [View Original Post]
    I know I was one of the last walkin customers of the night and she made it clear she was not interested in giving a massage but I didn't leave, hoping I was wrong. I was not. One of the worst massages at an AMP I have ever had.
    You've come to this country looking for work, don't know a soul, can't speak the language well, and have been working under the table at a local burger joint from 930 am to 1030 pm for two months straight. You cannot leave for lunch or to run errands because customers come all day and night; even when there is no business you are still confined to the premises. Your only outlet is whatever you can do on your phone. So you sit there staring at the screen until someone comes through the door. You deal with ugly customers, ugly food, and messy hands all day. When you go home each night, you have about an hour of down time before having to go to bed and repeat the same routine again, and again, ad infinitum. Don't forget you're sharing one room with one or two other employees. Today you're beleagured with work because the place is short staffed. By night time, you are exhausted, and cannot wait to go home. You powered down the friers and cleaned out the ice cream machine. Ten minutes before closing a random dude comes in and orders two large fries and a large chocolate shake. And he's going to stay past closing, plop down, and take his time eating his meal. Don't be that guy and expect a top notch dining experience.

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