"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Sftap]

Great discussion. I got a month membership at Seeking and although I talked to several girls I never actually meet anybody. I have an SO, limited time and money, so getting a girl was a long shot. What I tended to notice is that in the area I was looking I had very limited options. Many girls hadn't signed on in months so a lot of emails went into the void. I think I need to stick to BP. A shame really or maybe the best thing that could have happened. I'm in awe of you married guys who get that girls.

[Madaboutmax]

I've had quite a bit of success breaking in new SB's. I like that they are cautious but the game and need to "mentored" into the bowl. This requires patience and understanding but the rewards can be intense.

The development process is not for everyone, but if an SB has a good first experience, she is much more likely to continue. I think this is one of HG's strengths. I'm sure many of SD's have benefited from the girls he has "mentored" into the bowl.

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

[FredMoore]

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

Assuming you can be seen in public with any hot girl, look at these immature experiences like you were taking your 19 yr old daughter's friends for a day at the water park. How many of us have teen / early 20's daughters and lust after their hot friends? And who wouldn't bang them if they gave you half a reason to? Act mature but think young. And the prize at the end of the day will be sweet.

[HornDawgs]

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

They are 19 and they don't want you to take them to dinner at the country club?! That's wild! They are SO immature!

Seriously man, you simply must have some game, drive, and energy to play with these girls. For the most part, girls that age are not going to go straight to the FC with you. Unless you can entertain and engage them somehow first. Maybe you could shift gears a bit, and have some fun with them? That being "way out of place" thing. Is something you put on yourself. If you act like you belong there, and are having a good time, nobody (you care about) will question it.

[JZLizard]

If you want to play with the 18-19 yo, you have to be young at heart or at least act that way. Isn't that part of the fun. Reliving your youth through the eyes of maturity?

Agreed, I'd say just have fun with it. For the most part, at that age, their personality and lack of maturity will get on your nerves to the point it's a chore to spend time with them anywhere other than the bedroom -- it won't matter if you're at a water park with them or having dinner or just driving in the car.

On the other hand I've met 18 year olds that were mature beyond their years. Especially if they have younger sisters, it makes them grow up faster. Taking them to do something fun or of their choosing will probably pay you more dividends in the end, and will help them relate to you.

The only consideration of course is if you're playing close to home which is not good with such an age differential no matter where you go -- to hard to explain if someone you know sees you.

[TravelinSD]

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

If you want to play with the 18-19 yo, you have to be young at heart or at least act that way. Isn't that part of the fun. Reliving your youth through the eyes of maturity?

Good hunting!

Travelin.

[HollywoodGuy]

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

You have to put in the work.

[ToeLover57]

I seem to be hitting up the wrong 19 y / o girls. The last two wanted me to take them to a water park and Dave & Busters game place. I'm over 55 and way out of place hanging with them there. The ones that want to go FC are straight UTR escorts so far. Guess I'm going to stick with a mid 30's that likes have adult fun although I long for a young petite spinner who is not a pro.

[JZLizard]

Does going to the police necessarily have to involve the spouse? Can I not file a complaint without being asked about things not pertinent to the complaint?

I'm not sure about this much. In theory it shouldn't but it seems like you have a risk of a deputy showing up at your doorstep or calling you at inopportune times.

In general, the law enforcement community does not take kindly to complaints from a non-innocent victim about a slightly more guilty one. So, if you do call the cops for anything MAKE SURE she does not have texts of you offering her money for sex. There have been cases about this before posted in other forums on USASG and they typically will charge both parties with whatever they can, including soliciting or whatever.

In other words if have followed my rule about never offering money up front and gifting after the fact only, you can be free and clear of all of this and it will be treated as a BF / GF domestic issue. Be very careful about any history of e-mails or texts she may have.

[JZLizard]

Or does it vary from state to state? This is one thing I have no protection against. I do not travel for work so I have to play in the home town. Oh well!

Playing in the hometown is dangerous for a number of reasons, IMO. The ability to lookup online plates using public record websites varies from state to state I'm sure, but if she can come up with fifty to a hundred bucks to pay a detective, she can find out anything about you from it.

My "three rules" are meant to go together as a package, meaning if you must bypass one of the rules (and play in your hometown) you might need to bypass another rule and just go for UTR escort girls who are pay by the hour agreed on up front. This is because they are less likely to be dependent on you solely for support than the type of arrangement a true SB would be looking for.

I don't have direct experience with that but do you see what's just happened there? Foregoing one rule requires you forego a second rule in order to mitigate risk, in effect borrowing from Peter at twice the interest rate in order to pay what you promised Paul.

In that case it's better to just do the BP thing. At least at that point you are dealing with escorts who do not care to think about your financial position. With SBs you are saying "Hey Babe! I'm loaded and probably married, an excellent blackmail target if you're interested".

[Telcova]

Looking for recommendations in Woodbrigde and Manassas. I'm lining up a couple POTS and want to get my ducks in a row.

PM prefered.

Thanks.

[PghGuy2005]

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3. Retain your anonymity as much as possible, even avoiding letting them see your license plate.

Lots of folks will disagree, and in truth I doubt many operate by those rules -- but without them, for married guys at least it's not a question of if it will come crashing down, it is a question of when.

Or does it vary from state to state? This is one thing I have no protection against. I do not travel for work so I have to play in the home town. Oh well!

[PghGuy2005]

...Also be sure to regularly delete your fb search history. Failing to do so will lead your SO to ask why you are stalking 19 year old on fb. Unless your a college professor or mentor, you may find it hard to explain your fb search history.

Lastly, do not tie your hotel room purchases to your gmail account. Some hotel reservation sites. E. g. hotels.com, will auto update your gmail calendar with the dates of your stay. If your SO has access to your private calendar, it may be difficult to explain why you're staying at a Hotel in the city you live, during the weekend you're out of town.

Just my two cents.

DO NOT use phone / email known to SO for any hobby related task. Same with FB do not use an account known to SO and others for hobbying create a separate account.

Mentally assume a different identity while hobbying and it will be easier.

[PghGuy2005]

I think the best browser to use for privacy is Firefox. I use it for my extracurricular activities. Its privacy settings are the best, and you can ask it to forget any website. Once it forgets, it forgets. It won't autofill in the name of any naughty website for you.

With the other browsers, you WILL forget to go private or incognito, and type in a naughty website in the browser bar. When you do that, you will have no other choice but to delete the browser from your hard drivev and reinstall it.

Not so with Firefox.

Ctrl+Shift+Delete brings up the clear history dialog on FireFox, Chrome and IE. On FF and Chrome you can choose to clear only for the past hour, today etc but with IE everything is wiped out so it may look suspicious if IE has no history!

Make it a habit to switch to private / incognito browsing on phone / computer / tablet before playing.

[Rouleur]

Does going to the police necessarily have to involve the spouse? Can I not file a complaint without being asked about things not pertinent to the complaint?

A good question and I don't know the answer. My way of thinking in this particular circumstance was, since the spouse apparently now knows about the SD / SB arrangement, there was no reason not to involve the police if needed. Again I like your question because it would be great to be preemptive in shutting down the SB's threats before too much damage is done. I hope anyone that knows the answer will chime in.