"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FyrGuy33]

Why I don't cave to the GPS girls. First of all I can't afford to. And that's a real concern. I understand addiction quite well and I also understand risk management. And and I also have no problem dating girls with good bodies, a certain personality type, and superior skills. But I do have to give in on the looks dept sometimes (many times) to get those tiny bodies, porn star skills and little girl qualities that keep me hard.

I have tried this approach on several occasions. Much to my surprise, I have had success twice. The first one was the 27 y / o I reported on here that I met for breakfast and was GPS. We settled on $250, which I find reasonable because she hosts. My reasoning is that I would go as high as $200, and pay for the SS. So, $250 and her hosting, while it's still what I consider at the high end, is within my budget limit. The down side is I won't be able to see her as much as I would like because of the price. And, her skill level is worth every penny of the price.

The second one I finally got to the FC yesterday. We had a car date where we went to a DD drive thru and then sat and talked in the car. Turned out we know several of the same people, and I am personal friends with her ex. I really don't remember her from when they were married. Anyway, she wanted something like $400 if I remember right, and I offered $150. We agreed to say goodbye and good luck. While I was out of town she texts me and asks if I am still interested. I tell her at $150 yes, anything more, no. She says she will take $150. Yesterday we meet and take a trip to the FC. While she was good enough that I would see her again, she was no way in hell worth more than the $150. Apparently, at her price she had no takers. So, the moral of the story is do not give up just because they are GPS. Sometimes they will come to their senses and you score. Of course, sometimes you find out after you get them to the FC that they may be 9's or 10's in the looks department, but fail in the skills department. That is why I don't care much for the game of pay the price once just to fuck a 9 or 10, and then move on. If it's poor skills, I feel I wasted my precious hobby funds.

[HollywoodGuy]

25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.

I remember when my wife said the same thing way back when. And I refused. I finally saw the light just as I entered the bowl. Not a moment too soon.

[FyrGuy33]

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.

[HollywoodGuy]

How do you "keep after the GPS POTs"

By messaging them periodically? Only low level GPS girls. Like the $$ and $$$ girls. Usually 18-20 only. But I guess they could be any age. Find ones that still have fantasies other than being rich. LOL.

[PghGuy2005]

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But I can see that by applying some patience to some of these GPS girls (and GPS mainly due to their beauty.) The ones that want you to keep after them so they can feel special. That I could win many of them over quickly at $.5 (and $$ would be a no brainer).
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How do you "keep after the GPS POTs" after their message that they expect many $ per date to which I either reply that is way beyond my budget or I can only offer fewer $.

All communication ceases at this point do I just email them after some time (couple of months?) has passed? If yes what should I say in it "Hey how are you? I am still available etc. ".

[PghGuy2005]

Depends on your game. It never ceases to amaze me how an SB can expect a guy to pay her a salary and not give up the pooty. But they do. They have to feel good about themselves and not like a hooker. I think you have to take them out and woo them, while letting them know up front that sex is expected at some point if they want an allowance. If they like you and are a little bit attracted they will give it up. There's a difference between taking then to a nice place for dinner, then head back to the FC for bedtime, as opposed to meeting at a Hotel for "the deed".

I am compelled to go straight to the FC by my life circumstances, thus have very little success compared to the old days when I could wine and dine them.

Have to do everything UTR. Please tell me that you've had some success at least with the older SBs who seem to be in it just for the $.

[PghGuy2005]

I would suggest trying both or all available methods of payment and whatever goes through is what works! Just enter some made up data for personal info but the ZIP should be whatever you set for your Vanilla card.

In the US credit cards use only the ZIP for verification and that is all that can be set on the Vanilla web site.

At one point the first option at SA was through a foreign processor and hence Vanilla cards did not work with it.

Hey guys,

Just bought a Vanilla VISA card to try and renew my membership on SA. After registering the card I tried to renew the subscription on SA and was presented with two VISA payment options. Both labeled "Primary". Per the forum I was looking for " on SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar". Unlike the old 2nd option this one required all of the typical personal info. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change that has been put into effect by Vanilla VISA? I don't remember having to enter all those personal details the first time I completed the VISA card info.

[Playa12]

Hey guys,

Just bought a Vanilla VISA card to try and renew my membership on SA. After registering the card I tried to renew the subscription on SA and was presented with two VISA payment options. Both labeled "Primary". Per the forum I was looking for " on SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar". Unlike the old 2nd option this one required all of the typical personal info. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change that has been put into effect by Vanilla VISA? I don't remember having to enter all those personal details the first time I completed the VISA card info.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why I don't cave to the GPS girls. First of all I can't afford to. And that's a real concern. I understand addiction quite well and I also understand risk management. And and I also have no problem dating girls with good bodies, a certain personality type, and superior skills. But I do have to give in on the looks dept sometimes (many times) to get those tiny bodies, porn star skills and little girl qualities that keep me hard.

The premium based on facial looks alone is steep. But I can see that by applying some patience to some of these GPS girls (and GPS mainly due to their beauty.) The ones that want you to keep after them so they can feel special. That I could win many of them over quickly at $.5 (and $$ would be a no brainer). But that still doesn't in any way shape or form attest to their skills. Which for me has to be the primary qualifier aside from a basic physical attraction.

And unfortunately the hotter they are the harder it is sometimes to get those skills. As a trophy fuck I am sure they are fine. But at my age I need a lot more than that. Anyway as my plate is full I have the time to toy with a few endless messenger types. So I am trying it out. The downside is I could land a hottie (or a first timer) after weeks or months only to find she is no good in bed. And the drama associated with that compared to a girl I package up and interview in a few days seems like a lot emotionally. So for now I am primarily going to go after my usual 7/9's. And not feel bad about not getting the 9/9's.

Right now I have four of these hard to get types I am messaging. A ballerina (18) that claims to get generous SD's but has some sexual needs that arent being met. An older (25) model and possible first timer that doesnt trust anyone. A skinny nerdy girl (21) with a high sex drive not being met. And a very shy, scared? and broke first timer (18) that is pretty, tiny and very feminine. And the reason I chose these four is just a gut instinct about their personality type and skills potential. No matter how aloof or adamant about money they are, they are still hoping to find the right man knowing it might mean taking less cash to do it.

The model I started dating over the weekend will be here wednesday as she "forgot" her jacket at my house saturday. She is still calling me a ho and I cant really spend any money for just a HJ unless its like .6 (and even that would get old soon enough). But she is very intelligent, and presentable. GF quality for sure (except I dont need a GF). Sorry for the rambling. But I think I tired myself out enough to go to sleep now.

[HollywoodGuy]

Been having a hard time with a lower level GPS girl? Try this.

"What you are probably starting to realize is that many of the guys on here are full of it. And the ones that will pay more? Well guess what? They want every girl they can have, and at those higher amounts they can have any girl they want. So they see you a few times and then poof they're gone. And maybe that's all you want. But I need something long term and someone I can count on. What about you?

[HollywoodGuy]

Brothers,

Can we discuss a bit of how to work with the young ladies of SA?

I am working with a college Sophomore and its taking too much time.

Most of them don't seem to know.

A. What they want, and.

Be. What they are OK doing, like the physical part.

How can we speed this up and conclude sooner, positive or negative?

I am patient but ... need some conclusion.

Set a time limit you are willing to talk to a girl. My limit is a week to set definite plans. If they fall through for a logical reason then thats fine. But if there is no commitment asap then its probably not going to happen. After that make her chase you (and very few will).

Tell them exactly what you want and exactly what they can expect. As far as sex its our job to open them up, so to speak, to new adventures. All I do with EVERY girl is get them to agree to a HJ. Thats it.

If you trust in your game then you know very few stop there. My dating game may be weak compared to some but my FC game has always been better than most. I am at my peak now but I have always felt that once the clothes are off (hers or mine or both) or even just my dick is out, I have little to fear. Whatever happens after that will be fun to varying degrees. If its fun enough I'll go back for more. And if not, on to the next.

[HollywoodGuy]

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[Member #5055]

Does the Warden NEVER go away to relatives or ANYTHING for 2-3 nights? That is all you need to get-in. Get it done, and be 100% recovered by the time she gets back!! You just need a buddy to take you and bring you home!

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

[FredMoore]

Brothers,

Can we discuss a bit of how to work with the young ladies of SA?

I am working with a college Sophomore and its taking too much time.

Most of them don't seem to know.

A. What they want, and.

Be. What they are OK doing, like the physical part.

How can we speed this up and conclude sooner, positive or negative?

I am patient but ... need some conclusion.

Depends on your game. It never ceases to amaze me how an SB can expect a guy to pay her a salary and not give up the pooty. But they do. They have to feel good about themselves and not like a hooker. I think you have to take them out and woo them, while letting them know up front that sex is expected at some point if they want an allowance. If they like you and are a little bit attracted they will give it up. There's a difference between taking then to a nice place for dinner, then head back to the FC for bedtime, as opposed to meeting at a Hotel for "the deed".

I am compelled to go straight to the FC by my life circumstances, thus have very little success compared to the old days when I could wine and dine them.

[Mike7794]

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

Had mine in 2008, and I wish I would have done it sooner.