"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

The more I do this the more I realize it is totally a numbers game. I have done a few M&G's in the last couple of weeks and came up with one gem. The other girls are ones I would have easily pursued in the past, but no more. The gem is a very sweet and super submissive little wh*re for daddy. Yesterday we did a car date and I gave her an anal pounding for 45 minutes of that date. Her ass is as smooth, tight and wet as some of the best pussy I have ever had. In the end she went from ass to mouth to finish me off. She doesn't smoke, drink or do drugs. Which is not a requirement to date me. Especially in a state where marijuana is legal. Interesting fact. There are more weed stores in L. A. than starbucks.

It was only our third date but I feel like it will continue. This early its never a good idea to count your chickens, but I am feeling confident. I could hear the frost in my ATF's voice when I told her we hit our third date. A promise I made to her. That I would inform her of any girl that got to date three. I have two more M&G's set for the weekend so far. One is an admitted sub and the other looks to be a bit of a party girl. 19 and 18 respectively.

[Golfcart]

Older Professional Women

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.

She wants attention and dick. I don't see a problem.

[HollywoodGuy]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" I have been just responding that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything they aren't comfortable with and reiterate it can be a paid date if there is some physical fun to be had. Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500+ as their negotiating bids, I get them worked down quickly though following the guide in #3.

I only say the "no sex, no money" date (verbatim) if they say they don't just hop in the sack on a first date. So it gives them a safe way to M&G with no pressure. Just did one today even though she said she would go straight to the FC. But hewr pics were so bad I wanted to make sure she was at least a 7. She turned out to be an 8/9. Still not sure if the chemistry was there. If they are GPS then its never going to work out anyway. Five bills a date. Come on. Thats for 10's with porn star skills doing an overnite at a minimum. If they start at Five I don't even respond.

I would say to anyone newish. Lower your sites a little and work your way up. Even talk to girls you dont want just to be talking. Sometimes I message so many girls I dont even take a real look at their pics till they respond. Had one today. A starving artist. Once I saw her pics closely I declined. No big deal. They ditch us all the time.

I like feedback and the only way to get it is to message across the board.

[Dolato]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more"

The cost of the younger sbs is the higher rate of flakes. It's just something you'll learn to work with, as in never book a room ahead of time even with multiple assurances that she's ready for the fc.

I'd think the ones not wanting to show up without a paid date would equal pro / utr. It may even be a good way to weed them out if you're only interested in the nps.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Here's the cliff notes version from someone going through this. I'll never tell anyone NOT to get married. It definitely made me mature from my wreckless 20's. I hit 30 figured marriage was the next logical step. Professionally my colleagues were married, no one ever divulged the down side. My parents were married, no revelation of how bad it sucked. So I got married, every year got progressively worse. After 4 yrs decided to mention to the wife I was done and wanted out. The all intense dash for my cash and everything I owned started after that point. Once she got an attorney it was lights out. Even my attorney told me to get this over as quick as possible and pay whatever's needed to settle. He even said speak to him before deciding to do something like this "getting married" again. I learned some very valuable lessons through this ordeal. I've grown to love my experience, but I'd tell anyone to proceed with caution before making the move.

Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.

[PhxFunLover]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" I have been just responding that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything they aren't comfortable with and reiterate it can be a paid date if there is some physical fun to be had. Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500+ as their negotiating bids, I get them worked down quickly though following the guide in #3.

[IluvSmellyFish]

But my best guess is that she is on the site for some sugar. I've known a few girls in my civvy dating life that fantasized about being an escort, having sex with a complete stranger they met online, etc. If she is as put together as she says she is, then that might solve the mystery.

At the end of the day though, I suspect she expects sugar for sugar. Why else would she be on a sugar site? She might not be direct in the request, and you may be the kind of guy she would sleep with, even without an allowance, but if it was purely for the sex, I suspect she would post a Craigslist ad, and have her choice of whatever flavor she was into.

Great find and good luck to you.

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.

[HollywoodGuy]

"I want you to get on all fours and pretend you're some gold-digging ho I found on a sugar website". LOL.

That could work. Except that I make them repeat it back to me. Something like "I'm just a gold digging ho for my daddy" . LOL. As I pound away.

[JZLizard]

Find out about her kinky side. Asap. Make her role play that's she's only 18. Try getting a little rough. If you like those things that is. It could end up being worth your while. Tight petite girls like her are worth a date or two to see their real potential.

Heh! HWG sometimes you and I think alike, then other times our philosophies depart down separate roads.

In my experience, unless she is a UTR / pro type (thus has already discarded her ego before she showed up for the appointment), asking a woman over 30 to role play that she's only 18 is sort of like putting Mentos in soda -- interesting to watch the reaction but ultimately going to result in a mess. This is the psychological equivalent of them telling us they'd like us to role play like we know what we're doing in bed.

Someone who is only in it for money won't care, I'm sure.

Sounds a little like a Saturday Night Live skit: "I want you to get on all fours and pretend you're some gold-digging ho I found on a sugar website". LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.

Find out about her kinky side. Asap. Make her role play that's she's only 18. Try getting a little rough. If you like those things that is. It could end up being worth your while. Tight petite girls like her are worth a date or two to see their real potential.

[Mike7794]

If marriage didn't exist, would you invent it? Would you go "Baby, this shit we got together, it's so good we got to get the government in on this shit. We can't just share this commitment 'tweenst us. We need judges and lawyers involved in this shit, baby. It's hot!

Doug Stanhope.

Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.

[Member #6763]

The bottom line for me is the need for variety and a lower maintenance experience. Everything with the SO is predicated on me being " good enough" and taking care of things of a non sexual nature. It's nice to have a baby who shows up, pleasures me, and GOES HOME. My SO is very fit and attractive for her age, so Ican't blame the ole "gotten fat" excuse. But I am just not turned on anymore. But give me a hot 20 yr old and I am ready to go.

As some of those You Tube articles say, there is just not a compelling reason to get married.

A trusted friend is invaluable to run things by, especially if he is non judgmental. If you don't have one seek a therapist to talk to. We are engaging in an activity that is not acceptable by societal standards, so there is a little ego hit for some of us, not to mention a social, business, financial one.

If marriage didn't exist, would you invent it? Would you go "Baby, this shit we got together, it's so good we got to get the government in on this shit. We can't just share this commitment 'tweenst us. We need judges and lawyers involved in this shit, baby. It's hot!

Doug Stanhope.

[Mike7794]

Had a M&G with a pretty little 21 why / o nursing student set up for this morning. Very petite redhead, which could make me weak at the knees. We were all set to meet up at a DD for coffee. Confirmed with her last night, and she was telling me how excited she was to meet me. This morning, no show and has gone silent. Hope nothing happened to her but I get really annoyed when they do this.

On a good note, the 41 why / o MILF has been texting me on a regular basis. Looks like she wants to take a trip to the FC soon.

That's why I have no problem telling a POT that was expecting money for a M & G that I don't pay to meet someone.

[Walruscl]

IMHO, if I needed perspective on a question that I didn't feel like I could post to the forum publically, I'd probably send a pm to one of the other trusted senior members I have exchanged pms with in the past.

As for the other part of your post, if things have gone downhill so badly in your relationship with your SO, have you ever considered leaving her? You may want to consult a family / divorce attorney, but if there is nothing left to salvage in a relationship, the decision to preemptively end things on mutually agreeable terms generally work out better for a guy financially, than if a man is "caught cheating. " Then spouse who has been "cheated on" generally has significant leverage. Depending on the state you live in, and the state of your relationship would your SO, you might be able to negotiate a mutual consent divorce and walk away without having to pay a lifetime of alimony.

Agreed on the risk, though it would be nice to be face-to-face with somebody. But I probably wouldn't like what I hear, so I'm not exactly going to jump out and do that. A therapist (FredMoore's suggestion) could go either way in terms of adding value, but my circumstances would make that more complicated than usual.

I did a little research on divorce in my state (another place I thought I'd never be), mostly to clarify some of the financials issues. The good news is that I'm in a no-fault state which is general reasonable on division of assets and alimony, even if adultery is involved. Not that I am particularly eager to go there, I'm sure it's a living hell no matter what. And getting caught would be a bad thing on many levels, in addition to the dynamic it would bring to a divorce if it came to that.

Not willing to walk out, like most fathers, because of the kids. After that, maybe we'll all be in a better place. I hope so. From a pure relationship standpoint, things with my SO have hit rocks in the past few years that are unprecedented, but I also hold onto the hope that they are temporary storms. As for the sex, that's always been a sticking point, and like you it would take a lot of willpower to walk away from the bowl.

But the point of my post was not so much that the SO relationship was in the shit can, but rather the disconnect in this culture where men are supposed to suck it up when they are chronically denied sex, yet when a women is chronically rejected it's considered psychological abuse. Pre-bowl, I really didn't feel I was asking for much, but year after year it fell on deaf ears. I would have been fine with once a week (on average). Settling for that post-bowl would be very difficult, since even though it's only about once a week with the SB, it's a very different once-a-week experience. Not that I have to tell anyone here that.