"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to bareback some of these young ladies. When they do the stripper slide, or are begging to have me rub it on them uncovered, its damn near impossible to not slip right in.

So basically, listening to the big head isn't so much fun. Maybe later down the line when I get to that point in life where I decide that there isn't much to lose, I'll listen to the little head more? Getting older has both upsides and downsides. One of the major upsides is that once you've acheived everything you wanted to acheive, its a lot easier to just live in the moment.

Of course therein lies the rub. Since often times the high acheivers are never satisfied, and even when they are, the physical ability or ones situation in life makes living in the moment or enjoying certain activities, that much more difficult.

Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Based on your prior posts, it sounds like a lot of the women you are meeting on SA are more interested in dating you, rather than being a SB. She probably threw out the offer to meet the parents as a way to show you that she has ideas that she sees more potential for you than just as a SD.

Nothing wrong with that, but you may want to make your expectations for what you want with her clear, unless of course you really are interested in meeting her parents.

IMHO, and from prior experience, when expectations are not communicated and set up front, things can go badly. Always remember that a lot of these girls have some level of mental issues. Heck, even when expectations are established up front and are set, things can go badly.

Regardless though, sounds like you have the ability to appeal to these sbs on multiple levels, and that is always a good thing. Happy hunting.

This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?

[Mike7794]

Regarding the discussion on the tranny issue I'll pass. It does turn my stomach a bit. I'm going to Thailand next month on business and pleasure. That is the Tranny capital of the world. I'll have to be more aware, as the she boys are good at fooling you with their looks.

A lot of good reading from yesterday. As I'm reading eveyones experiences and advice I couldn't help but think how valuable that information is for the young whipersnappers on here. It's like going to school for them. I'm no youngster, and I still find myself learning a few things. Great forum.

[Member #5144]

Is it just me or does Baroness strike anyone else as being the Bowl Version of Luscious Leah?

I have confirmation from a DC monger that after initial contact, she will let you know shee is P4 P at $400 a session, without stating the length of the session. Happens to coincide with her pro hourly rate and several of the pics on her website look amazingly like some of her SA profile pics.

[HollywoodGuy]

Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.

Honestly when girls reply wanting to txt. I just tell them they have to email me. It's easier to keep track of the girls, and also for me personally, I find I need every word in those steps so as to be as concise as possible, but yet still convey enough message to get the desired response.

[FTP1999]

Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.

[FyrGuy33]

I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.

Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.

[FTP1999]

I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.

[HollywoodGuy]

BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.

Back in the day when I worked at great expectations, one of our biggest catch phrases was that we were going to find them a "good fit". Kind of a double entendre that everyone got. But a very true statement none the less. Sometimes that fit is only in the FC and sometimes its more. What I like about sugaring is that an only in the FC arrangement is considered just fine for a lot of these girls. Until it's not. LOL.

People can have very full lives but be missing the type of sexual intimacy that makes it all worth getting up at 6 am for. Now the ability for everyone to have that, minus the drama and commitment that was usually a part of the deal is in the past for those willing to make the extra effort. It's not dead and buried by a long shot. But not a requirement to have a steady supply of what most alpha males need to function and stay balanced. Thank god the days of SW's, call girls and "private mens clubs" are no longer a necessity to be able to help achieve that balance. God bless the Internet.

I seriously doubt there is a high school girl today that doesn't watch porn or know what a sugar baby is. In the distant past women were "hysterical" and then came BC and the womens movement. But that still didnt clear up the mystery of how to find good sex or even what good sex was. Now a girl can watch it and find a partner to emulate it. I think I died and went to heaven. And you know what they say. Heaven is a place on earth.

And BTW I had a great relationship game before I came here, but thats it. I was never without pussy. But it was the same pussy over and over till I found the next one. But the dating game is relatively new to me. So 30+ years of steady relationships and maybe 8 years of dating. What I have learned here is invaluable. The key to success is always to take the tried and true foundational principles from those who came before and then put your own spin on it. Orthodoxy in the corporate world, the church or even AA has always given me a sense of confidence but I was never totally comfortable until I made it my own.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?

[FyrGuy33]

We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.

BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.

[JZLizard]

I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.

You're right, I never noticed the vag-only policy, but I'm damn glad it's there.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/cu...eid=ForumRules

[DirtyDeeds38]

Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.

I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.

[JZLizard]

I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.

Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Glad to hear you about your success. As a cautionary note, you may be at a point in your career where you don't feel the need to advance further, but a professional headshot makes it much easier for a jilted baby to track you down. Especially if you're using it, or one similar to it, on your linked in profile.

While you may be in a profession that doesn't care about whether you play in the bowl, I doubt any employer wants to have their workplace disrupted with jilted babies showing up angry in the middle of the work day. Also, while your career aspirations may not be affected now, your aspirations may change in the future. IMHO, getting random babies to the FC is much easier than rebuilding a career or trying to fix ones professional reputation (unless you're a career politician).

I am sure you already considered all this, but as a cautionary tale to other younger brothers, I wanted to provide food for thought. It also probably helps that based on your prior posts, you seem to be willing to provide an allowance that is five to ten times the norm in the mid-atlantic (please correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember you mentioning that you had pulled out wars of hundred dollar bills to cover an allowance). Nothing wrong with that, but again, it may be that much of your success may also be tied to your generosity on top of adding the professional headshot).

Hey! Really appreciate your perspective here and you're right in my career path I'll definitely need to be more cautious. I initially thought I made the photo private on the upload. I started noticing more views and inbox messages. That's when I decided to keep it up. I'm likely going to remove it at this point. I have enough POTs now than I have time for.

As far as the high payment. I went overboard. I charged it to The Bowl lessons. I really liked that spinner, she was my first SB and is still around. It's becoming more of a GFE. I also would like to add that I've been to the FC most times with $0 and just dinner. I rationalize that it makes up for some of the screwups I made just starting out. Screw ups like booking a hotel and getting stood up.