"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John252]

Blackmail / extortion.

Anyone here have experience they care to share?

Dealing with it, and not well.

[HollywoodGuy]

HWG, can you please explain what message 2 entails and give a example / s of message 5?

Thanks.

PRTFF. Thanks.

[Dolato]

I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.

Congrats on the win. I think the main takeaway from your scenario is that you didn't spend the last few months throwing money / time at her to get to the FC and you walked away after the intial m&g on good terms leaving the door open for another round.

Of course not everyone will be so lucky all the time, but it seems like you did things right when she turned down your offer. She just had to learn that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Hope it continues well.

[ThisSoundsFun]

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MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.

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Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.

HWG, can you please explain what message 2 entails and give a example / s of message 5?

Thanks.

[FyrGuy33]

Last December I had a m&g with a 20 why / o co-ed, petite little thing, blonde hair, blue eyes, all of 100 lbs. I used HWG's introduction letter, with a few minor changes, and got her to the m&g. We did not discuss sugar until then. She was a very sweet young lady but had that GPS thing going on. I had offered her 150 if she would host at her place. Of course, she turned me down saying she has had much better offers than that. Being the gentleman that I am, I wished her well and told her that if things change and she would like to reconsider, unless I have found my SB I would gladly move forward with what I offered. Fast forward to yesterday afternoon. I get an e-mail from her asking if I have found my SB yet. I tell her that I had found one but she is not working out as I had hoped. If she would like to meet and talk about how she can replace her I am more than willing to listen to what she has to offer. Several hours go by and I figure she was either insulted or not interested in being the "on deck" girl. Then last night I get an answer from her that she is interested and would I like to meet for lunch. Well now, I am game. We meet for lunch and have some very casual conversation. I then ask why the change of heart. She tells me that she didn't really have all the offers she first told me she had. The two that she did have turned out to be guys looking for one time meets as they went silent on her after the first date. Now the red flag goes up. This girl is an 8/9/ At this point. Now I'm thinking maybe she's awful in the FC. We talk some more and she says she is looking for someone to see on a regular basis and knows that less is actually more. I told her that sometimes we have to learn certain things the hard way and that I am glad she is sitting with me here now. She leans over, plants a very wet, deep kiss on me, and whispers in my ear " Thank you for understanding Daddy. Shall we go to my place so I can show Daddy how much I appreciate it?

OMFG, I got hard right then and there. I pay the bill and off we go. I'm thinking that I just need to find out why these other guys never made a second date. We get to her place and the fun begins. Sparing all the details, it turns out her head game was fair at best. But, the good news is she is eager to learn and by the time I left (3 hours later) she was doing much better. So I'm thinking between that and the girl is into being submissive, these other guys were not going to teach her for what they were paying. Here is the best part. When I went to give her the sugar for today, she said "Today was a sample for Daddy. We an start with the financial part next time. ".

I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.

[HollywoodGuy]

What a turn around. The hotel wasn't a total waste. I had two M&Gs and both ended up with BBBJCIF. Those girls were probably 6/10. I tried to call some hotter girls that I had M&Gs with previously and even 2nd dates. I soon realized these 8+ girls were actually UTR. I explained being in an hotel and they were quoting prices for an overnight. I mentioned my $$ and they were like "you can get a massage for that". LMAO. After checking out of the hotel I was prepared to cut my losses and move on.

End of the weekend, I get the call from the 10/10. We meet up for coffee and ended up negotiating terms. I brought it up and explained we needed to get it behind us. I closed on my first SB. The FC was excellent as expected. She's 10/10/10 or should I say "my" ideal 10/10/10. I like a tall slim girl (she's 5'9") with a moderate boob size, moderate ass. She's very well-proportioned.

I'm done with the random M&Gs for now. I sort of needed to narrow it down to one SB, due to my workload and maintaining focus. This agreement works for now. I see myself going back into the Bowl after a few months, but now I have a bit more knowledge on the rules of the game. The biggest thing I'm noticing is confidence. Even sex with these girls requires an upfront demeanor. The Bowl has emphasized confidence and never hesitating on a decision. The hotter girls enjoy this most of all.

So what was the agreed upon amount for the dime girl? And everyone has their own version of a ten. I,m tall but gravitate towards the shorter ones.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Tough night brother. Do you play poker? If so, then you already know a few things:

1. Don't let the lows get you too low, and don't let the highs get you too high. 2. Play the antes and let the game come to you. In other words, its best to wait for the right cards before making your play. Don't book the hotel or set up an expensive date until you've got a pot that has committed to the FC. 3. The longer you play the game and sit at the table, the better you will become at the game. And if you're careful with your blinds, the worst you'll lose is nominal funds but mainly your time. Although depending on your career and personal life, time may ne more precious than money.

Too bad the bowl doesn't come with a comp card for time spent as a player. A free buffet every now and then would be a nice touch.

As for the 10/10 pot that stood you up, no worries. The funds you lost on one hotel is a small price to pay for the lesson you learned. Just don't repeat the same mistake. Besides, within three weeks there will be four new 10/10 pots to replace her. Besides, if you pulled out as much money from the atm as you said you did, them you should have enough allowance for all four of them - assuming of course your playground is in dc - which I am assuming based on your screen name.

Based on my experience in that area, the allowance you would've given that pot for one date would've made four babies quite happy for the entire month...

What a turn around. The hotel wasn't a total waste. I had two M&Gs and both ended up with BBBJCIF. Those girls were probably 6/10. I tried to call some hotter girls that I had M&Gs with previously and even 2nd dates. I soon realized these 8+ girls were actually UTR. I explained being in an hotel and they were quoting prices for an overnight. I mentioned my $$ and they were like "you can get a massage for that". LMAO. After checking out of the hotel I was prepared to cut my losses and move on.

End of the weekend, I get the call from the 10/10. We meet up for coffee and ended up negotiating terms. I brought it up and explained we needed to get it behind us. I closed on my first SB. The FC was excellent as expected. She's 10/10/10 or should I say "my" ideal 10/10/10. I like a tall slim girl (she's 5'9") with a moderate boob size, moderate ass. She's very well-proportioned.

I'm done with the random M&Gs for now. I sort of needed to narrow it down to one SB, due to my workload and maintaining focus. This agreement works for now. I see myself going back into the Bowl after a few months, but now I have a bit more knowledge on the rules of the game. The biggest thing I'm noticing is confidence. Even sex with these girls requires an upfront demeanor. The Bowl has emphasized confidence and never hesitating on a decision. The hotter girls enjoy this most of all.

[HollywoodGuy]

My x that I was with for over a year and now broken up with for 7 months just posted her new ad today. I guess she is finally ready to move onward and upward. I say god bless that perfect body of hers. If her skills ever reach her looks I'll marry her.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/sugar...dge/Playbaby22

[HollywoodGuy]

I decided to do another M&G today as I just have way too many girls on my list and need to start seeing some of them already. So I went to meet this little (as in 5' tall little) 19 year old latina. She showed up in a short regular looking dress and she looked like any one of a thousand girls you see walking home from school everyday in L. A.

Since my last M&G was so hot I figured this one might be a dud. Anyway I picked her up right after we were both done working (about 5 pm) in front of a local fast food place figuring we could just talk in the car and if she was cool maybe fuck her another day.

I started talking and she said she didn't feel well and that she was sorry but she had a bad day and blah, blah, blah. So after about 10 minutes more she said "look, I am just not comfortable and we need to go someplace and not just sit in the car". So I was like, well we can get a starbucks or we could go to my place since I only live 20 minutes away. She said "your place" so off we went and I knew it was on.

We walked in the door and made it to the bedroom in about 3 minutes. I would say her panties hit the floor immediately (except she wasnt wearing any). After a full 2 minutes of foreplay I was inside her banging away. She really wasnt all that but she was a good kisser and just a true girl next door type. After what seemed like 30 minutes she started saying her pussy was getting a little sore. I didn't really want to hear that, but being the gentleman I am, I said OK. I then told her how I wanted to finish and a few minutes later it was over. I looked at the clock and it had actually been an hour. Kissing always makes me lose track of time.

I doubt I will ever see her again but at least she is off my list.

I would say she was a 7/6/8/7. Pleasant but not worth repeating. Her pic made her look more petite than she was. Like a lot of latin girls she had cute legs and a bit of a tummy. A bit too much. But for a $ and just off the cuff, so what.

On to the next one.

[HollywoodGuy]

Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.

Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.

No, never, waste of time.

[IluvSmellyFish]

If a pot gives you an allowance expectation and you go to the m&g without countering that expectation, then any discussion of an amount that is less than the original figure will be a dissapointment for you and her. For you because you'll be out whatever cost you sunk into the m&g, and since the figure she put out there will be her starting point, she will leave wondering why you agreed to meet her if that wasn't an allowance you were willing to come through with.

Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.

Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.

[PghGuy2005]

Right on HWG. The only things I would add are tell the truth. If you make up shit you will get caught eventually. If you tell the truth you don't need to have such a good memory. The other thing is be confident. Most Pots will see a lack of confidence in no time. And never let them think you are desperate.

You don't have to have Brad Pitt looks or Donald Trump money. But you do need to develop a little game which includes making them feel comfortable with you. For me, that has always been key. They meet so many assholes that if you are not an asshole, your chances of a trip to the FC increases dramatically.

Alright guys I never made it to first base! Send MSG 1 of 1-2-3 which asks for their expectation $ and it goes downhill from there. Some ask for $500/ date etc.

Tell me HWG if the reply to MSG 1 is a ridiculous figure would you still go ahead and do the M&G and hope that they will be charmed into accepting less.

[JZLizard]

The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it.

It's easy for the author of that article to paint whatever picture she wants, who knows how much of it is really fact versus just an embellished version of her perspective.

But, let's say for a moment everything she said is true. It means the guy is a complete loser who happens to have money. Maybe the type who lucked upon a large inheritance or whatever. The fact that he would even want her to move in with him indicates he has no other options, and is unable to find a girlfriend any other way. Having an SB live with me sounds like an absolute nightmare. Can you imagine having to deal with all their mood swings and basically having most of the disadvantages of a wife or live-in GF, yet still having to give them a ridiculous allowance? I actually feel sorry for the guy. And again, not sure whether to believe her, but she claims he is crying about who ate all the ice cream?

There's not a woman around who respects a man who whines about stuff like that or who has not earned his money. Most decent women would find a guy with moderate income who has some ambition and drive more attractive than a trust-fund-baby who never learned how to earn his own possessions. No wonder he has to pay for company.

[FredMoore]

I was laughing the entire time I was reading that article. That might work in NY but in my area that kind of attitude isn't going to get you very much. It's bad enough that most of the SB have a GPS attitude and this article isn't going to do them any favors. Good luck ladies.

The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it. Then they bite for guys like us at $ / pop. I try to make them realize that every $ or $$ adds up over time. It's like the old joke repeated here many times. They all have a price.

Met POT #1 last week and she is a mixed 7/7. 5 with good kissing lips and D Cups on an average body. She says she is ready for the FC this week. We'll see

[JZLizard]

You must be irresistible in your profile! Plus you are on the left coast things must be different there than in the South East.

I can confirm that results can vary hugely with changes in geographical region. Sometimes two cities that are only a couple of hours away will produce noticeable patterns in type of girls or their behavior that are very different.

This is why I don't think there is any particular formula for success that can really be written down or described.

HWG is onto something when he says just be yourself -- that will produce the most consistent results. Some might say "but my results are consistently bad compared to what I want them to be", but the consistency is still important, because without it you can't improve. Practice makes perfect.

In my particular case, I can't be totally honest because I don't like to talk about my "real-life" relationship with SBs. So, I lie about it. It throws my game off a little bit to be something I'm not, because I developed my game in the civy-dating world, where being myself was critical to success. I don't like being covert or shady about anything, but sometimes it's a necessity. Luckily, the sausage still gets hidden anyway, because the extent of the scam is relatively small on the big scale of things. I don't directly lie to the girls that they have some future with me, but I never mention that it's not even possible. But it doesn't have to be like that. I still don't recommend giving away your real name if you have a marriage or professional life to hold onto, though. You never know when you'll run into a vindictive stalker type who will use the information against you.