"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-09-15 14:17

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Amen Brother! If I had a nickel for every time I've been told I need to work on my issues and then my marriage I would be a zillionaire. I yam what I yam as popeye so eloquently stated to Olive Oyl. I'm tired of constantly working. I need to play.

"Working" a 10/10 Pot who does not want a sexual relationship. I thought I would take a backseat on this one and agree for a lower amount to some non IC play. We'll see. If the pussy isn't breached then it isn't sex is it? Like Hollywood, if I can play with a 10 for a $ then I could be happy for a while. And my magic could probably tip her over into the zone. Also a higher allowance has got to be some incentive. I give this one a 20% chance of making it to the M&G.

I love when they agree to the non IC date. Its a good test to see how attracted they are to you. Its funny (and sometimes surprising) how many go to POTF in a few minutes. I remember my first date with my new ATF which was supposed to be a "no sex, no money" date to talk in the car. After about 10 minutes she said "you forgot to bring the lube?"

**JZLizard** · 02-09-15 12:22

Originally Posted by Mike7794 [View Original Post]

I had a vsec back in '08. One of the best things I've ever done. Instead of pulling out you get to stay in and let it go. It's been a beautiful thing.

Yeah, I've seriously considered vasectomy myself. My tactic thus far has been mostly hit-and-run, tag-'em and take off. It's worked well -- if I have any kids I don't know about them. But my point was just that the addiction is still a real consideration for most people. I guess for the 1% with infinite amounts of disposable income it might be less of an issue, but I'm pretty sure if I were in that income category I probably would have died from an STD by now.

**FredMoore** · 02-09-15 10:23

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

I tell every SB that starts to take off. That I am in it for the honeymoon phase only. When that's over, we're done. Because there is one thing I will never do again, and that's having to "work" on a relationship. I already have one job and that's enough.

Amen Brother! If I had a nickel for every time I've been told I need to work on my issues and then my marriage I would be a zillionaire. I yam what I yam as popeye so eloquently stated to Olive Oyl. I'm tired of constantly working. I need to play.

"Working" a 10/10 Pot who does not want a sexual relationship. I thought I would take a backseat on this one and agree for a lower amount to some non IC play. We'll see. If the pussy isn't breached then it isn't sex is it? Like Hollywood, if I can play with a 10 for a $ then I could be happy for a while. And my magic could probably tip her over into the zone. Also a higher allowance has got to be some incentive. I give this one a 20% chance of making it to the M&G.

**Mike7794** · 02-08-15 23:19

Originally Posted by JeezLizard [View Original Post]

I agree with some of this, except that sex addiction is real, just as addiction to anything can be real. Addiction is simply when the indulgence in some activity starts to have adverse effects that you don't want, and you then find it challenging to control the indulgence. Anything enjoyable can become an addiction. Evolution also programs us to crave foods that aren't necessarily good for us, but all we have to do is observe people who are 600 lbs or people who keel over from heart disease / diabetes etc to understand that following our evolutionary cravings do not always lead us to success.

Think about what would happen if we did (as you said) what our sex drive urges us to do, which is fuck as many as we possibly can (or at least those we want to fuck). I can't speak for everyone, but if I had lived my life like that, I would have already had child support payments with at least a dozen different women and would be spending the rest of my life digging out of that financial hell. I would be too poor to afford SB dating. What's more, my attractiveness to potential civy women would be greatly diminished. Everyone knows that the more kids you have, the less desirable you are on the dating scene. Some guys I'm sure can lie about how many offspring they have initially, but eventually it all catches up to them. Thankfully, more than once my awareness and better judgment has allowed me to recognize those that were trying to get pregnant by me, and no matter how addicted I was to fucking them, I had to cut and run.

I had a vsec back in '08. One of the best things I've ever done. Instead of pulling out you get to stay in and let it go. It's been a beautiful thing.

**FotoGuy1970** · 02-08-15 20:57

Originally Posted by Bastardo [View Original Post]

It's come to my attention one of the sb's on sa claiming to be 19, is actually still in high school and most likely 15-16. You guys think I should report her, or just mind my own business. She made some lame excuse about not being able to meet over the weekend before I did some digging, but who knows if she's met anyone and is looking perhaps to set them up.

I've reported a couple of girls to SA for being underage and I knew for a fact that they were. I personally think it's best to keep the underage girls off of the site so that SA doesn't attract the kind of attention that it really does not want.

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-08-15 19:00

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" In the civvy dating world, I had to fight my nature of being a nice guy to get what I wanted. Essentially I was a the*ick to the girl I wanted to be with, and then eventually landed her. She is now my SO. " Smellyfish.

Is that a good thing Fish? Maybe you shouldn't have tried so hard. I think Hollywood has the dream life. When the SO good times are surpassed by the bad times then it makes the Sugar life look better and better. Marriage is usually good, until it isn't. And it always hits that "isn't " phase at some point. That is why we are all here, on line, emailing nubile young babes, trying to find that next conquest instead of snuggling up at home with the SO. Sad but true.

I tell every SB that starts to take off. That I am in it for the honeymoon phase only. When that's over, we're done. Because there is one thing I will never do again, and that's having to "work" on a relationship. I already have one job and that's enough.

**FredMoore** · 02-08-15 18:16

" In the civvy dating world, I had to fight my nature of being a nice guy to get what I wanted. Essentially I was a the*ick to the girl I wanted to be with, and then eventually landed her. She is now my SO. " Smellyfish.

Is that a good thing Fish? Maybe you shouldn't have tried so hard. I think Hollywood has the dream life. When the SO good times are surpassed by the bad times then it makes the Sugar life look better and better. Marriage is usually good, until it isn't. And it always hits that "isn't " phase at some point. That is why we are all here, on line, emailing nubile young babes, trying to find that next conquest instead of snuggling up at home with the SO. Sad but true.

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-08-15 16:58

Originally Posted by FotoGuy1970 [View Original Post]

I've tried to be a nice guy with these girls, but after dealing with thieves, liars, and fakes, my patience for dealing with some of their crap has become paper thin. As long as I feel that an arrangement or even plans for a M&G are going well, I am absolutely a very nice, understanding and generous person (much as I am in real life, outside of the sugar world). But as soon as a POT or a SB starts screwing things up, my niceness, understanding, and generosity will get very short, very quick.

I always stay nice till the end. When it goes south I just move on. Live and learn.

**Bastardo** · 02-08-15 15:54

It's come to my attention one of the sb's on sa claiming to be 19, is actually still in high school and most likely 15-16. You guys think I should report her, or just mind my own business. She made some lame excuse about not being able to meet over the weekend before I did some digging, but who knows if she's met anyone and is looking perhaps to set them up.

**Bastardo** · 02-08-15 15:51

Originally Posted by FotoGuy1970 [View Original Post]

I've tried to be a nice guy with these girls, but after dealing with thieves, liars, and fakes, my patience for dealing with some of their crap has become paper thin. As long as I feel that an arrangement or even plans for a M&G are going well, I am absolutely a very nice, understanding and generous person (much as I am in real life, outside of the sugar world). But as soon as a POT or a SB starts screwing things up, my niceness, understanding, and generosity will get very short, very quick.

I've become the exact same way.

**Donwhite** · 02-08-15 15:32

Be careful when you go bare guys. I'm awaiting results from a gonorrhea / chlamydia test that I had today. I think I got it from a dirty blowjob since I always wear life jacket when I go tunnel diving in the bowl. I went ahead and got the antibiotic shot in the hip and took 4 other antibiotic bills in case the test comes back positive. The urgent care doctor said it was either that or kidney stones. Either way my recent return to the bowl has gone awry.

**JZLizard** · 02-08-15 15:18

Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]

Right throughout the animal kingdom, through evolution, the dominant males have mated with the most nubile and fertile females.

With the human animal having evolved to a thinking and cunning animal, that dominance includes not only control of physical resources, but also the ability to mate with as many females of the species as he can using his smarts.

I say that there is no such thing as sex addiction. We are doing exactly what evolution has programmed us to do. Mating with as many women as we can is just as much a part of our makeup as breathing.

As for civvy dating, well why not let THEM be the "just friends"? There are some really wonderful women out there my age (62), but why date them? Seek them out as friends, have a ball, but dating? That's for the younger ones, as evolution has designed.

I agree with some of this, except that sex addiction is real, just as addiction to anything can be real. Addiction is simply when the indulgence in some activity starts to have adverse effects that you don't want, and you then find it challenging to control the indulgence. Anything enjoyable can become an addiction. Evolution also programs us to crave foods that aren't necessarily good for us, but all we have to do is observe people who are 600 lbs or people who keel over from heart disease / diabetes etc to understand that following our evolutionary cravings do not always lead us to success.

Think about what would happen if we did (as you said) what our sex drive urges us to do, which is fuck as many as we possibly can (or at least those we want to fuck). I can't speak for everyone, but if I had lived my life like that, I would have already had child support payments with at least a dozen different women and would be spending the rest of my life digging out of that financial hell. I would be too poor to afford SB dating. What's more, my attractiveness to potential civy women would be greatly diminished. Everyone knows that the more kids you have, the less desirable you are on the dating scene. Some guys I'm sure can lie about how many offspring they have initially, but eventually it all catches up to them. Thankfully, more than once my awareness and better judgment has allowed me to recognize those that were trying to get pregnant by me, and no matter how addicted I was to fucking them, I had to cut and run.

**FotoGuy1970** · 02-08-15 11:15

I've tried to be a nice guy with these girls, but after dealing with thieves, liars, and fakes, my patience for dealing with some of their crap has become paper thin. As long as I feel that an arrangement or even plans for a M&G are going well, I am absolutely a very nice, understanding and generous person (much as I am in real life, outside of the sugar world). But as soon as a POT or a SB starts screwing things up, my niceness, understanding, and generosity will get very short, very quick.

**RubberyMan** · 02-08-15 03:37

Right throughout the animal kingdom, through evolution, the dominant males have mated with the most nubile and fertile females.

With the human animal having evolved to a thinking and cunning animal, that dominance includes not only control of physical resources, but also the ability to mate with as many females of the species as he can using his smarts.

I say that there is no such thing as sex addiction. We are doing exactly what evolution has programmed us to do. Mating with as many women as we can is just as much a part of our makeup as breathing.

As for civvy dating, well why not let THEM be the "just friends"? There are some really wonderful women out there my age (62), but why date them? Seek them out as friends, have a ball, but dating? That's for the younger ones, as evolution has designed.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 02-07-15 23:08

And re entered the civvy dating world, I would make it clear up front I wanted someone to be with forever, who would lack for nothing, but would have to be ok with me banging random girls when I needed the strange.