"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Unlike the girls that use the same handle from their twitter, IG or FB as they do on the SD sites.

How many of these girls use the same pictures across their "real" lives as they do in these sites. As for using my handle here on the SD / SB sites. That would probably be fatal for me. I doubt any girl would touch me with a 10 ft pole if I used my handle from this website.

[RubberyMan]

About the GPS epidemic.

There was a recent discussion on the SA blog, in which the women were expressing horror about the rash of other women discounting down to as low as $500 the meet. There was a bit of a booster session on keeping up the standards before it petered out to the usual generic crap.

Most of these women are educated and well off. Sugaring for them, is to buy the expensive luxuries. So the $1000 price point AND they are doing us a favour makes sense to them. I see where they are coming from.

However, there are plenty of women out there working in low paid dreary jobs, unemployed, in debt, who didn't have the luck of being born in well off families. For someone with an empty fridge, with the fridge magnet stuffed full of overdue bills, the rent due in a couple of days, and no money in the bank, well their reality is that if they can get $200 overnight, it is a god send. And they are truly grateful.

Many in that situation are quite smart, but never having had rich parents, find the daily grind and bleak prospects really depressing.

So, which of those two groups would I rather help?

Again, it is pretty cyclical, but I normally aim first for those in low paid or shitty jobs, and ignore the others. It's just that sometimes my target demographic isn't there. But when that happens, I never bother with the other rich kid profiles.

[HollywoodGuy]

Well, nobody would be using the same handle here as on the SD sites, would they? That would be fatal.

Unlike the girls that use the same handle from their twitter, IG or FB as they do on the SD sites.

[RubberyMan]

I always wondered if the Babies are on to this forum and deduce who is posting from the description of the POTs and SBs. I try to change things just enough so they might not figure it out. Ideally we should not reveal what town we are from, but that cat is already out of the bag.

Here's a typical GPS -Canadian style.

" I have previously had a SD in the sense that I received $5,500 monthly for companion ship and quality company, but no sex. I accompanied him on trips and when he was in town we went for dinner, a show and shopping " Well, I bet that companion ship has sailed due to excessive rates. Who in the whole wide world would pay a girl to hang around ?? Seriously ! ?

Well, nobody would be using the same handle here as on the SD sites, would they? That would be fatal.

[HollywoodGuy]

I always wondered if the Babies are on to this forum and deduce who is posting from the description of the POTs and SBs. I try to change things just enough so they might not figure it out. Ideally we should not reveal what town we are from, but that cat is already out of the bag.

Here's a typical GPS -Canadian style.

" I have previously had a SD in the sense that I received $5,500 monthly for companion ship and quality company, but no sex. I accompanied him on trips and when he was in town we went for dinner, a show and shopping " Well, I bet that companion ship has sailed due to excessive rates. Who in the whole wide world would pay a girl to hang around ?? Seriously ! ?

A gay executive needing some cover. I know one in my industry (which can be homophobic) that has spent 10's of thousands over the years to look straight at conventions and company retreats.

I also know a top rap producer in beverly hills that spends that much a month (or in a week) with nothing but blond playboy looking cali babes. Has up to 6 at a time in his entourage. Rap is a notoriously homophobic industry.

They both feel its a small price to pay against the millions they are earning.

[FredMoore]

So just got cancelled on my three out of four pots that I had lined up for the weekend. One even messaged that she thinks she had me all wrong and that she thought I was a nice guy.
Guess I need to be more careful with what I post here.

I always wondered if the Babies are on to this forum and deduce who is posting from the description of the POTs and SBs. I try to change things just enough so they might not figure it out. Ideally we should not reveal what town we are from, but that cat is already out of the bag.

Here's a typical GPS -Canadian style.

" I have previously had a SD in the sense that I received $5,500 monthly for companion ship and quality company, but no sex. I accompanied him on trips and when he was in town we went for dinner, a show and shopping " Well, I bet that companion ship has sailed due to excessive rates. Who in the whole wide world would pay a girl to hang around ?? Seriously ! ?

[JZLizard]

One thing to remember, a lot of schools start class around the 2nd-3rd week in Jan. Some of these ladies are just getting back to school with some of mom & dads money in their account designed to get them through the next 8-10 weeks (so give them at least a week or two to deplete that particular account before they get hungry). Even if you don't specialize in college aged babies, their lack of presence tips the supply and demand scale in favor of the ladies.

Look for it to pick up more around Feb-March in most areas.

[IluvSmellyFish]

So just got cancelled on my three out of four pots that I had lined up for the weekend. One even messaged that she thinks she had me all wrong and that she thought I was a nice guy.

The only pot left is my Latina on Sat. Hopefully she doesn't pull a no show.

Guess I need to be more careful with what I post here.

[FredMoore]

Fred, I suspect that it is just a cyclical thing. Sometimes there is so much available that it's embarrassing. Other times it's a drought.

I agree! It's just frustrating to be on the short side of the bowl. Jan is a time for new resolutions and I think the girls are setting their goals high. When reality hits I think many drop out, not willing to sell themselves, and others lower their expectations.

The goal here is to get laid in adition to other perks of hanging out with a HCG. Whatever financial resources you have will go into nailing the SB (s) of your choice. The more $$ you have the more numbers you can put up. Unless you Are Hollywood.

EX SB made me realize how valuable nymphomania is. She was multiorgasmic and couldn't get enough. She was chubby and not my body taste at all but I do miss the passion and enthusiasm.

SB #1 is 40+ ,super hot but a little too controlled. She is far better looking than most but I will take back my fat girl any day over a perfect 10 body performance wise.

Pot #1 19 yr old WF 7. 5/8 M&G soon.

Pot #2 28 yrold MILF looks to be an 8/7. 5 M&G soon.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Fred, I suspect that it is just a cyclical thing. Sometimes there is so much available that it's embarrassing. Other times it's a drought.

I'm in full agreement with RubberyMan here. I think the amount of action in the bowl varies with the season. So for example, my December was exhausting, whileJanuary seems to be less than spectacular. I'll update at the end of the month with a full report, but as a synopsis SBs 1, 3, and 4, have gone dark or are no longer in the rotation. SB 1 was looking for something I wasn't able to give her, SB 3 was too flaky and then wanted an increase in her allowance, and SB 4 apparently got freaked out when I tore down my old profile.

In December I was turning girls away, this month is nothing but GPS. One SB responded that her per date allowance is $1 K; another SB was looking for a $5 K a month allowance, but could only meet twice a month; a third SB that I was messaging went dark after I notified her that my starting point was going to be $150 a date since she couldn't host but that we could work our way up from there if the physical chemistry was right.

Currently things with SBs 1 and 5 are good. Met with both earlier this month. Hard not to lose it immediately when SB 1 is begging me to be inside her. She is so tight that I may need to look into getting help in the form of vitamin see or V. She understands the limitations of our relationship, but with us its more than just a transaction. SB 5 is fun. But our relationship is clearly transactional. Her per date allowance is higher because she requires less "dating" but I'm also willing to drop her if something better comes along.

I've got 4 M&G's set up. Lunch on Thursday with a very cute blonde that has an amazing body (Pot2). Happy hour on Friday with a cerebral grad student. Who'se private photo's show that she's got a bit of a dark and kinky side (Pot1). I've double booked Saturday afternoon with a Latina (Pot 4) that has an amazing body and a mid / late 20's party gal (Pot 3) who looks like she would be very easy to get into the FC. If the Latina actually shows, I'll end up cancelling and rescheduling with the party gal since I've scheduled them about an hour apart.

I suspect in December that some of these girls were cash starved and needed money. I also agree that there seem to be more younger guys who are entering the bowl. Some of our younger brothers who are making large salaries, but don't have a mortgage, may be living with roommates, may not be spending as much money on future investments, and who may not have expenses related to an SO, have a lot more disposable income at hand to play in the bowl. I wish those brothers good luck. But for all of our younger bretheren who are lurking on this site. Remember, its a marathon, not a sprint.

I think HWG put it best. Anyone can take a girl home by waiving thousands of dollars at a lady. And besides, a big part of the bowl is the fun of playing the game (at least IMHO). Because if it was a sure thing that I wanted, there are much easier ways to go about getting that itch scratched.

-ILSF.

[RubberyMan]

My problem is that I am too direct and groan at the thought of all that manipulation. It drains my brain. LOL. I would have to have a totally separate mindset. I see it might be doable, but I am just not up to the task for now. And there are so very few in my area. Shockingly few. On the SD site that is.

I think the reason there are so few might be that they close their accounts quickly on getting the flood of offers. It try to hit the sweet spot between the initial bombardment, and them pulling the plug. It is a bit more complicated, that is true.

However, that very reaction they have to the direct approach, generally means that they have not been sleeping around. Either married still or recently divorced. That I get from their responses. Then it's much less risky to give them the cream pie, and with the married ones, I don't even have to ask indelicate questions about contraception.

[HollywoodGuy]

This does not necessarily take long BTW, merely that the steps need to be gradual and above all, indirect.

My problem is that I am too direct and groan at the thought of all that manipulation. It drains my brain. LOL. I would have to have a totally separate mindset. I see it might be doable, but I am just not up to the task for now. And there are so very few in my area. Shockingly few. On the SD site that is.

[Dsprdo]

I haven't posted about any new adventures for a while because there haven't been any! For the last several months I've mostly been working out of the country and just living vicariously through the exploits of others. My job is winding down now, and I'm gearing up for the Spring SB hunting season.

To recap, I am still in touch with my young and innocent squirter. I saw her over the holidays when I was home briefly and we had a couple of excellent interludes. She is a 21 year old white girl, 7/7/8/9, and has actually lost about 15 pounds of the baby fat she had when we met. She is hands down the best sex I have had in the bowl because she is one of the most orgasmic women I have ever met. She told me when we started that I was her third man and I see no reason to doubt her. Now she tells me constantly how much better sex is with an older man. She is locked in at 120 per visit, and will remain in the rotation when I get home in a week or so.

My married SB and I have parted ways. We were together for over a year, even after her nuptials. I sent her a note to say hello while I was out of town and after a delay I got the a response that she was very excited-she was pregnant! After my heart re-started I did the math and new I hadn't contributed to that, so I offered my congratulations. I left the door open for some very wrong things to happen when I got home, but she went radio silent. At least I'm glad to know that I found her line!

I have been mailing lots of new girls in anticipation of my return hoe and some downtime, and have quite a few follow ups planned. I won't touch on them all, just the two that seem as close to locked in as anything gets without actually seeing POF.

POT 1 is AA, 21, a spinner in the Hollywood Guy style. AA girls have not been my target of choice, but I decided I needed to be more diverse; and she has a hot body. She has already agreed in principal to 100 per, and her texts have been getting more and more suggestive. I truly do think I'll have her in my bed as soon as I get home.

POT 2 is 23, white, and the punk / tattooed / pierced / purple-haired type that is so wildly opposite me that I couldn't resist messaging her. She responded with an intelligent and well-written note that intrigued me even more. She has worked as a web cam girl, says she has never had a SD before but would like to have a long-term steady thing. Despite her look I don't get a crazy vibe from her, and I think she might be fun, so pending a financial talk, I feel pretty good about her as well. I don't get the sense that she's an UTR girl but with the web cam background who knows.

I do have one other anecdote from when I was home for the holidays, but I'll save it for another post. Good hunting everyone!

[RubberyMan]

I think I am done looking for MILF's. I see what it would take to get an attractive one in my area. And I just don't have what it takes, financially or otherwise. I had one for 3 years (haven't seen her for 3 months)(and I see she is back on SD4 M). I may see her again but every date we had planned got canceled. I can understand if they still look good at 40+ they know they are a rare breed. It's a game I just can't play.

FWIW, here is what works best for me.

A MILF makes her first post. Other guys on the site rush in with the $200 per night offer.

At this point, the typical single mom, or wife of a couple in financial difficulties will be shocked. Sure, they get the idea of having to put out for financial assistance. However, in my target demographic, with a certain sort of innocence. (Maybe not had sex with anyone other than the husband for years), there is shock, because the initial flood of $ for sex makes it look like hooker central to their way of looking at things. Usually, this target demographic goes dark after a day or two.

I then message them, say Hi, how's it going? I ask if they have met any nice people. Then I say that there are plenty of really nice women here, with amazing things to say.

I then say that I have been a SD for years, and that the women I have met for this all say that while some men are great, there are also plenty who offer $150 per night (yes, less than $200). I then joke that this is only fair because we guys get similar offers from professional ladies. But I avoid them, preferring to meet with a better class of woman.

I then offer to chat with no obligation and share some of the experiences of the women I have been with in relation to scammers out there.

At this point, if I have timed it correctly, they have been torn between leaving the site, and the need to pay bills. Someone who sounds half decent has a chance at this point. I usually warn them against guys offering above the going rate, since who pays higher than the going rate for anything? I also drop little gems into the following conversations about everything being on the menu, lots more women than men, intimacy is a given if money is involved.

A key, crucial point is that I always use the third person form of address whenever anything critical comes up. I might say something like "The first sugar baby said that she was offered $150 for an overnight session, including some weird stuff, but she was able to negotiate it up to $200 and not be quite so extreme". That way, it's like you are telling them a story, and satisfying their curiosity, rather than pitching them a line. By using their curiosity, and telling them anecdotes with plain messages, its not too long before I get a feeler sent out.

This does not necessarily take long BTW, merely that the steps need to be gradual and above all, indirect.

[HollywoodGuy]

Fred, I suspect that it is just a cyclical thing. Sometimes there is so much available that it's embarrassing. Other times it's a drought.

I notice it a lot because I am a serial sugar bigamist. I started with a married woman years ago privately, but since then it has been a MILF and under 25 spinner combo for different nights. However, they normally last for several months before a vacancy occurs, so I might go for months without looking. So, when I restart a search for a replacement, I notice changes that someone day to day might not. At the moment, where I am, it is great. Fantastic. In six months time, however, it will probably be lousy.

My two SB recently moved on, sigh, but in the last two weeks I have "interviewed" two pot MILFs and one spinner. At the M&G with the second MILF, she said that she was very good at following instruction. She was. For $150 the night. F**k, a genuine sub. And her parting gesture of kneeling down to beg for it at the end was a thoughtful touch. Probably I have me a new MILF at least now. Let's see if she repeats.

I think I am done looking for MILF's. I see what it would take to get an attractive one in my area. And I just don't have what it takes, financially or otherwise. I had one for 3 years (haven't seen her for 3 months)(and I see she is back on SD4 M). I may see her again but every date we had planned got canceled. I can understand if they still look good at 40+ they know they are a rare breed. It's a game I just can't play.