"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[VaSD1]

Have noticed an uptick in pot SBs on SA reaching out and essentially ready to meet at the FC without even knowing what I look like. Some are a s young as 18/19 but there are also the 20 something single moms. I'm doing a M&G with a 25 yo tomorrow for lunch but she is already asking about an extended time possibility. I already have a get together with my 20 yo coed, my red (I mean jello red) 25 yo, and an over due meet up with my 32 yo asian babe this week. Is the holiday season driving some of these girls to be a little more desperate? There was someone on this board that posted about needing a secretary. I think I can relate.

[Rdudreaming]

There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.

Personally, I found the fees for messaging to be outrageous, but a friend reports that upon the M&G he simply informs them that the fee he quoted includes a trip to the FC, their call. He reports that for many it is the best offer they ever got on that site.

Care to share the details of the discount code?

[JeanSaulPartre]

On "I do not have a boyfriend!

You: "so lets meet downtown at XYZ at 6 for dinner. I hope your BF does not work there. ".

She: "I do not have a boyfriend!

If your vivid imagination immediately and conveniently draws a mental picture of this pretty young thing starved for sex, well, hold your horses. As I recently realized, what they actually mean is that they do not have a steady or exclusive partner. The girl who is seeing a few of her male friends here and there, or even who has a guy she bangs five days a week out of seven (but they never agreed "to be exclusive") will tell you that she "does not have a boyfriend". And, in her mind, she honestly believes she does not.

On fast tracking.

This has been said before, and I completely agree. The shorter the time you let pass between the SA messaging, texting and M&G, the higher is the possibility you will safely deliver your apprehensive date into a FC. If they are not ready to M&G this week for whatever reason (and you are and you told them so), it may be best to move on to the next. However, I never had good luck going after brand new people. It looks like it is essential to let them discover for themselves what their expectations should be in your area. Yes, most of them understand that "a free car, a paid-off lease and a 15 K a month" is an unattainable goal, but many will start with this myth, divide it by 3 and think that is somehow "being reasonable". If you approach them with your 1. 5 or $$, they will think you are kidding. The sweet spot is when they no longer are chasing the guy with the Ferrari, but ready to settle for a handsome reasonable gent, fun to be with and a steady source of sugar. If that is when you happen to knock on their door, you are in (literally).

[FotoGuy1970]

Since my last report, all but a few of my POTs have taken themselves out of the running, either by flaking or just lapsing into silence after endless texts. The remaining four that I have been chatting with I don't hold any hope for: Two of them have distance and scheduling issues that are making it difficult to arrange even a M&G, and another one of them I don't really think is looking for a SD but she and I have some common interests so we've been texting periodically. And there's one that I'm almost 100% sure is a UTR (I've met friends of hers that are UTRs), but she goes long periods of radio silence and then she'll contact me for about a day or two before going silent again. If any of these four do lead to anything beyond a M&G, I suspect it would be her (who is naturally my least favorite and attractive of the quartet).

There is one SB I'm seeing regularly and one I've seen once and might be seeing again eventually:

My regular SB is the one that was very passive in bed and continues to be that way, which led to a dispute between us recently. But I don't want to push her so hard that she ends things because she continues to be the most inexpensive SB I've ever seen ($ - $. 5 per visit, she's fine with whatever I give her), she's able to see me multiple times a week (never had that experience with a SB before), and she's fine with BB. She's a really nice girl and looks fantastic in a girl next door way, it's just her sexual passiveness drives me to irritation. But right now the pro's far outweigh the one con with her.

I saw another new SB a couple of weeks ago for an overnight. Very, very cute face and she provides a great GFE through texts and during the date. She's also into being sexually dominated. She's chunkier than I like, but it mostly looks good on her. We are planning on seeing each other again by the end of the year.

[FredMoore]

Being a non tech savvy old dude I am happy with burners. My SO pokes around my phone if she is feeling insecure so I don't want to have any suspicious apps I can't explain. The down side is I can not keep it anywhere she is, so I am out of touch with my Babies nights and weekends when I am at home. And I can toss it and buy a new one anytime I am worried.

SB #1.

Solidly loving, multiorgasmic and reliable at 1. 5 / pop. Not my body type but good enough and a super tight Kitty. She's an 8 face /6. 5/9/9 And all mine at the moment.

Pot#1.

Pretty much a 9. 5 across the Board so far. A beautiful blue eyed blonde spinner away at school and home on breaks. We settled on 2 Benjies / pop. Honestly she seems TGTBT, so we will see. I think guys locally are probably slobbering all over this girl so she might get multiple GPS offers and flake on me. I am not counting this chicken before she hatches but I will report to the membership either way. M&G in 1 week and I'm ready for Christmas day to come every week training her.

MILFs.

All the attractive ones are GPS. They are working and not desperate so they are pricing their pussy too high for me. I don't like them anyway but would be interested at a bargain rate. Nandos are doable but too much drama for me.

UTR#1 (MILF).

Great lay at 1. 5 but into hit and run. If I can get her to relax for an hour or two we can have a good time. She is out of town so not easy to fit in (so to speak) She is a Cauc 8/8/8/8 and pretty low volume I think. She works full time, has a kid, and just needs some spending money.

[BamBam]

There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.

Be careful. I joined the site some time back and got suckered into paying for the credits needed to send and receive messages. About half of the women on WYP only want to get money for the date. They will meet you, ask for the cash and there it ends. There are others looking for a real SB / SD relationship but they get insulted if you offer an amount that might be reasonable (20-50 in my mind) for a normal MnG. In almost every case, in the Cincinnati area, the women who are really looking to be SB's are also going to eventually appear on SA or SD4 Me. On those sites, I would never pay for a MnG. Based on my experience, WYP is useful only to the extent that it lures the 'no sex' SB's off the real sites and onto one more suited to their interests. For someone wanting a real SB, WYP is a net-net negative. It wastes your time and money on women who will never be SB's while only duplicating the real SB's that can be found elsewhere.

Of course, YMMV.

RB.

[Rainjam]

Let me add to the conversation. I have used Pinger / Textfree. It is a web service, it does not work on my BB, its free, unlimited txts, you can have multiple numbers, etc. I use it as my "precaution" number. That is, in case I feel uneasy with the gal, its a throw away number.

Thanks all.

I am giving TextPlus a try now. It seems to work well, except that I have to delete all my messages everytime just in case someone opens the app by accident and see all those texts from the SBs.

With Google Voice, can I just put it in Spam folder, or Star folder rather than Inbox. So even if someone opens it, there are no texts to see.

Scott, maintaining a secondary physical phone seems like to much work to try to hide from the warden. I never really give it any thought. I am thinking an app on the phone is a bit easier.

[Traveling John #2]

There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.

[Member #5570]

I use an app called Pinger, you can use the app to send texts and make phone calls (100 min is $2) and use the website to just send texts. The downsides are that pics have to sent to an email address but they come directly into the app and I've learned that if you send more than 5000 messages the app stops working, so you have to get a new number and move all of your babes over to that number. I've used it more more than an year and I find it works better than google voice. Also on an iphone you can delete the app whenever you feel heat and when you download it again everything reappears and you've lost nothing.

Talkatone.

TextPlus.

WhatsApp.

There are others but those are probably the 3 biggest.

Pro-tip on the GV: I have multiple numbers. Most aren't linked to any real phone number (or real Google account) of mine.

Try the Hushed app. Economical and seems to be improving all the time.

I use a pay as you go burner phone, and keep all my m&gs and FC visits in there as well. I've been doing that for four years and it works like a charm.

Thanks all.

I am giving TextPlus a try now. It seems to work well, except that I have to delete all my messages everytime just in case someone opens the app by accident and see all those texts from the SBs.

With Google Voice, can I just put it in Spam folder, or Star folder rather than Inbox. So even if someone opens it, there are no texts to see.

Scott, maintaining a secondary physical phone seems like to much work to try to hide from the warden. I never really give it any thought. I am thinking an app on the phone is a bit easier.

[JZLizard]

Just to add to my last post regarding the need for highly disposable numbers, if you are a year-round FT SD that never uses the same number for anything but SBs, you may have totally different burner phone requirements than me.

For those that don't know, I'm "seasonal" as an SD in the sense I get on average 3-4 weeks per year for this, and that's if I'm lucky. That means I don't really need or want ongoing SB friendships that may lead to something later. I do all of my "work" far from home, I won't even contact an SB within a radius that's too close.

If things were different and I were not already in a relationship, I probably wouldn't care if I gave most of these girls my primary number. That's what I used to do. Hell, it actually worked well, because when you're mainstream dating, having women call and text you constantly is more of a good thing than a bad.

But, in my current mode, I'm in like Flynn, I gift for good performance and then I disappear. I have no time or interest to maintain ongoing relationships or conversations with any of these girls. I don't view them as bad people, but I view them all as superficial gold-diggers. My only responsibility is to plaster their face with my goo and move on to the next, rinse and repeat as much as possible until the next holiday.

It's a very small component of my overall life. I wish I were able to do it more often but I'm not.

But that's why I need disposable numbers, and that's why the Hushed app works well. Everyone's mileage varies though, to be sure.

[JZLizard]

All these apps let you block numbers, isn't that usually enough?

Depends on your specific needs. If all you need to do is block a single stalker or whatever, then yes, but she could post about you using your number to one web forum, and if you make contact with a POT in the future she may search for that number and find some negative feedback -- and using the same number for business deals and unpredictable women is almost sure to put you out of business down the road.

But that does not mean my needs are the same as everyone else's. I have an innate need for privacy-on-demand, meaning when I want to cut away from everyone, I like having the freedom to do it even if I don't exercise it enough. So I reserve my real number for family, girlfriend, a dozen or so of my best friends, etc. Everything else I like to be a disposable number, especially as more and more websites request phone numbers to send you a code to verify identity.

I have a history of women turning crazy on me that do not turn crazy on others. I remember in my mid 20's, I was banging a hot Asian early 30's MILF who owned a home, had a good job, etc. Well after a while I got bored and left her for a younger hotter one. She was one of the most even tempered women I knew, but she still went psycho-possessive-stalker on me. She had been in my social circles so one of my buddies and her knew each other well. I told him "go for it, it's over with us anyway" and he said "no way man, I don't want your sloppy seconds". Next thing you know they are banging each other and he was putty in her hands So much for not wanting my seconds. LOL. But, she seemed to give him his space, let him have his wife and his kids, etc. She didn't go psycho-possessive. He never had any problems with her following him around, stalking or lashing out. They kept it going for years and ended amicably.

So, I don't know what it is about me that draws out the crazies in them, but I like to cut and run when I say it's time, not when they do.

For that reason I have to have disposable phone numbers that do not give them an easy way to link me to business, home, or anything else.

[Showtime2020]

I have been using Google voice the past few years as the primary method to talk and txt with the babids. It seems that Google voice is now integrTed into Google hangouts, so in order to send txt, I must use Hangouts. This makes things complicated. Recently I sent out a few txts from Hangouts to a few POTs, and got replies back directly on my phone. This scared the crap out or me, as I do not want myture number to be known. Immediatelyremoved both Google Voice and Hangouts apps from my phone.

So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?

I use an app called Pinger, you can use the app to send texts and make phone calls (100 min is $2) and use the website to just send texts. The downsides are that pics have to sent to an email address but they come directly into the app and I've learned that if you send more than 5000 messages the app stops working, so you have to get a new number and move all of your babes over to that number. I've used it more more than an year and I find it works better than google voice. Also on an iphone you can delete the app whenever you feel heat and when you download it again everything reappears and you've lost nothing.

[ThePunter7216]

So my first full week in the sugar bowl, and it was pretty busy.

1st. Met a 25 year old single mom, struggling to pay bills, but has her own transportation, and more importantly, is kinky as hell, loves bdsm and is very submissive. After several days of texting we went straight to the FC and had a great time. She wants to make this a weekly thing. I would classify her as not quite a Nando 1 (close but a little more together than that) and maybe a closeted, inactive UTR. She did work as an escort several years ago and says she would consider doing it again.

2nd. Met a 27 year old single mom, same story, yadda yadda, not quite as kinky as the first, but also submissive. M&G and then on to the FC. We have texted since and I sense she would like to repeat, but the ball's in her court.

3rd. Had coffee with an 18 year old, super cute, just out of high school, working 2 jobs and just wants to have some fun. Thought the M&G went well but she has gone silent since, so who knows.

4th. M&G with a hot 22 year old, employed, has her shit together, makes good money. Couldn't really figure out why she was on SA other than she is possibly the most misanthropic individual I have ever met in my life, so she doesn't put much stock in traditional relationships. She also seemed like she was wound so tight she might explode. My "batshit crazy" bells were going off by the end. Pretty sure neither of us is going to follow up.

5th. Had a nice long date (more than a M&G) with a married lady in her late 30's. I think we will get along well. We have similar interests and needs and she wants to have a regular thing. And, her husband is gone all the time for work, so she can host!! Bonus!

Got a few more I'm stringing along until next week, and one UTR that has been pursuing me quite hard. So far I'm enjoying this.

[ThePunter7216]

Do these let you use your phone just like a burner phone (I. E. Multiple temporary phone numbers with voicemail, texting etc?

One thing I like about Hushed is you can quickly whip up a new phone number for a few bucks and discard it if you do something on it you don't like (LOL). It's great not only for questionable SBs but for dealing with business related calls when you're not absolutely sure you will want them contacting you long term.)

But if there are alternatives that do same, I'm always eager to hear about them.

I wouldn't do shit over Google, business or SD'ing or otherwise. Their entire business model is designed to monitor and archive everything about you. Fuck google.

All these apps let you block numbers, isn't that usually enough?

TextPlus lets you change your number, but only once.

Talkatone and WhatsApp are like GV. You can't change your number, but you can create a new account which will have a new number. I do get the sense that they both might have a problem with frequent repeated disposal and reissuing of numbers though, I. E. You have to use some discretion as to who you give the number to.

Pinger is one other one I forgot to mention. Basically same as WhatsApp.

If you want to switch numbers frequently you can try voip. Ms. The numbers cost 99 cents each, have free unlimited SMS, and can be added and deleted at the click of a button. Their SMS interface isn't the greatest. Sms. Voip. Ms. But it's manageable, especially if you're not trying to do it on a tiny phone screen.

[JZLizard]

Talkatone.
TextPlus.
WhatsApp.
There are others but those are probably the 3 biggest.

Pro-tip on the GV: I have multiple numbers. Most aren't linked to any real phone number (or real Google account) of mine.

Do these let you use your phone just like a burner phone (I. E. Multiple temporary phone numbers with voicemail, texting etc?

One thing I like about Hushed is you can quickly whip up a new phone number for a few bucks and discard it if you do something on it you don't like (LOL). It's great not only for questionable SBs but for dealing with business related calls when you're not absolutely sure you will want them contacting you long term.)

But if there are alternatives that do same, I'm always eager to hear about them.

I wouldn't do shit over Google, business or SD'ing or otherwise. Their entire business model is designed to monitor and archive everything about you. Fuck google.