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11-25-14 23:01 #7732
Posts: 1287Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
That understanding of how they think, what makes them tick, etc. Is what determines everything that comes out of your mouth, all of your body language, etc. And ultimately, it determines whether you get laid or not -- that's true of the sugar world or any kind of dating.
Yes, looks matter, and they can give you an edge or put you at a disadvantage. But they mainly matter to attract them to the initial meeting. She already knows if she would fuck you or not by looking at your pic, and since she showed up for the M&G then it means it's possible. Possible and guaranteed are two different things of course. She can vote "yes" based on your pic, but decide to back out or pull a GPS attitude or whatever based on your behavior after you meet.
I can't really put together a rulebook for what I do, because it's different in every situation. Being able to adapt the conversation to an individual is just a social skill that takes practice. It may come easier for some than others, but you can't really develop it without practicing it. I had plenty of failures along the way, everyone does.
So, to be honest, there is no magic to getting them in the FC. Usually around the type dinner / drinks are over (or whatever we are doing, maybe at a club), I usually just ask point blank if they're coming back to my room with me. Sometimes I don't even have to ask, it's just a given that they will follow me back. But most of the psychological stuff I mentioned has already taken place by that time. I'm "operating" so to speak the whole time, from the initial e-mail where we're figuring everything out to the M&G where we are getting to know each other a little bit before we fuck.
So, for that reason I'm inclined to think that the fact you see the F&see as a next step in the sequence might be the problem. I see it more or less as the reward or payoff for a successful working of the game, it's not something that in itself needs effort exerted toward it. Maybe if you view the entire process of meeting (from initial text / mail to the M&G itself) as the real work to be done, the FC reward will come more naturally?
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11-25-14 16:11 #7731
Posts: 142Something New Every Day
The newest member on SA in my area is currently serving time in prison. But don't worry, she'll be out in 6 months. Apparently, her aunt is running the account for her. Based on her pics, I'm pretty sure she might try to shank me during our M&G.
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11-24-14 17:43 #7730
Posts: 5498Originally Posted by JoeBlowDC [View Original Post]
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11-24-14 17:31 #7729
Posts: 14Making Progress
Ok I re-did my profile and casted a wider net. FISH ON!
POT 1 21 yo very cute and slim. Wants to meet for coffee tomorrow. It's about a 45 min ride. Lives in a redneck town and has a kid. Seems nonchalant. UTR maybe?
POT 2 - 22 yo heavier than I usually go for but I'm a sucker (pun intended) for big tits. She just can't understand why guys on SA are asking her to go to the FC right away! She's not a prostitute and it makes her feel uncomfortable. I told her to never mind those nasty guys and we can chat about it over a M&G.
POT 3 - 35 yo athletic and very attractive. Travels a lot and looking for something every once in awhile. Right up my alley. Working on a M&G.
Finally a little action.
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11-24-14 17:27 #7728
Posts: 108There is no doubt!
Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
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11-24-14 17:21 #7727
Posts: 5498Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
Most UTR's will move their hand there faster than you can move their hand there. LOL
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11-24-14 15:37 #7726
Posts: 40SlowMo,
It is hard to suggest what to do without seeing you in operation. Even if we were in your local, it is hard to have someone sit in on your interviews. .
So, here is something from way out in left field, but which I have plenty of experience with.
1). You need to like Asian spinners and spanners.
2). You need to have a couple of weeks spare.
If the above do not apply, ignore the rest of this.
Then head off to Angeles City or Subic Bay in the Philippines. As someone who has been there regularly since the seventies, I can tell you the following:
1). It is NOT "point and click" like the lurid tabloids or IJM would have you believe.
2). The girls can and will refuse you, and they do. Often.
3). They do need money, however.
4). There are lots of them, and sooner or later you WILL be lucky, no matter how bad your game.
5). It is a conservative Catholic country, so if you give them the fantasy you are wooing them, they will often give you the fantasy of being you're honeymoon bride. .
6). In Angeles and Subic, there are lots of bars close to each other with lots of women in each. That means you don't have to arrange the M&G.
7). There are so many guys within the bars and they often arrive in groups, so if you have a wingman observing your MO it will no be noticed.
8). There are several good specialist boards for the Philippines. Not sure if I am allowed to post links, so I won't. Not hard to find.
However, the material point from the above is that Angeles and Subic are really a sugar bowl on training wheels where the m&g is already available in the bars, and so all you have to do is work on your game. However, I say again, these places are NOT point and click, ignore any site that says they are.
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Gents,
If you guys want to discuss traveling to international destinations to get laid, why don't you visit my International Sex Guide forum at:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info
Thanks,
Jackson
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11-24-14 10:54 #7725
Posts: 733Game
Game is a combo of looks, personality, and confidence. IMHO the last is most important. These girls want to be told what to do and how to do it since they are already in the game. A few will chicken out but might reenter after a cooling off period. Just let them know that you intend to take them to bed and the only question is when and where.
A favorite trick of mine is massage. When we are talking I ask if they like massage, and of course they all do. I tell them I am really talented and will give them a professional one, which I know enough about to do very well. In the car or restaurant I will grab their hand and massage them in a non sexual way. That usually makes them curious enough to try me out. I tell them we can get a room, and if all they want is a massage we won't go further. They all go further. Massage is a great way to relax them, examine their body in detail, and move on to sensual moves easily and naturally. If they slam their legs together when you are working the Glut area as a prelude to massaging the vulva then you know you have some more work to do. Usually when I stroke their breast and nipple arrea I can see their breathing quicken and eyes flutter. When you stroke the butt and slip down to hit the labia they usually spread their legs a little to let you get in a little further, eventually to allow a finger to slide inside. Then game over. Your pants should be coming down with one hand at this time. There are some good Porn sites that demonstrate sensual massage techniques and how that can morph into fucking.
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11-23-14 22:09 #7724
Posts: 5498Originally Posted by DogSun [View Original Post]
I used to sales train quite a bit. I would sometimes train groups. I would tell them "Hey, I can give you everything I know and you could still fail. You know why? Because there is one thing I can never give you and thats a personality". (outright and nervous laughter from the crowd). "But you know what? You know who you are and you need to be that person and no one else (unless you're an actor). And you know why people like you, so when you find that person who does, spend all your time with them, and don't worry about the people that don't." You can fuck any girl for a price (because every girl has their price), but you cant make someone like you for a million dollars.
In my case my natural persona is to be a dominant daddy figure. So I only search out naughty little girls that need their daddy. But I try to pre-screen and pre-qualify them as much as is needed prior to meeting them. Many will just tell me upfront that we are not a match. Good thing I asked. And because of the sugar, some girls will lie and not be who I am looking for (but due to all the effort just to meet them, and being a horny fool I may fuck them once or a few times anyway).
If you are worried about your game just pursue someone you think is below your standard and work your way up. Or you could only date girls you are super attracted to physically. Let them know they are exactly what you are looking for in either case. That's probably the easiest way to get rolling. Many moons ago I was a membership salesman at Great Expectations. We used to tell clueless people that statistically they would have to go on about 20 dates to meet the right person. I believe that's true even if you aren't clueless. But that's not to say you couldn't fuck a few of them along the way till you strike real gold.
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11-23-14 20:36 #7723
Posts: 142Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
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11-23-14 17:11 #7722
Posts: 306Game, part 2
Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
After coffee, drinks or dinner, we usually end up in my car (new, expensive, clean) to chat for a bit. There, I'm looking for signals that they are interested and are potential FC candidates. But in general, I get either cluelessness or worse, the cold shoulder. Mind you, I'm not aggressive by any standard. I'll turn my shoulders their way so we're not side by side like 2 idiots. They seldom do the same back. If they say something funny, I might graze an arm or leg while laughing. If they are manicured, I might compliment them while holding a hand. What do I usually get in return? They stare straight ahead, knees tight together, hands on knees or thighs, shoulders firmly planted in the seat, seatbelt sometimes strapped in. There's just no way to move from there to a convo about a next date, let alone the FC.
I have some theories. Obviously some are just not attracted, I get that. But my current batting average is worse than with the civvies, so something is not adding up. I might come across as lacking self-confidence by trying to be nice. I might come across as needy by not laying down what I expect. Maybe they need little hints like "How would you show your daddy if you liked the date? Or "What last impression do you want to make? Should I act like a peer, like a father, or like a boss?
SM.
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11-23-14 16:07 #7721
Posts: 5498Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
20 AA slim and trim. Another 7/9 which seems to be my sweet spot.
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11-23-14 15:06 #7720
Posts: 127Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
But yes, every AA girl I've ever spoken to or received intro letters from is definitely more aggressive about their pursuit of you than any other race of women.
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11-23-14 11:37 #7719
Posts: 14Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]
Is it me, or do the AA babies seem more aggressive and "available"? I am an equal opportunity monger and I love women of all color but these seems to be something I've run into as of late.
Vaguy68.
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11-23-14 10:26 #7718
Posts: 168Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]