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11-23-14 22:09 #7714
Posts: 5502Originally Posted by DogSun [View Original Post]
I used to sales train quite a bit. I would sometimes train groups. I would tell them "Hey, I can give you everything I know and you could still fail. You know why? Because there is one thing I can never give you and thats a personality". (outright and nervous laughter from the crowd). "But you know what? You know who you are and you need to be that person and no one else (unless you're an actor). And you know why people like you, so when you find that person who does, spend all your time with them, and don't worry about the people that don't." You can fuck any girl for a price (because every girl has their price), but you cant make someone like you for a million dollars.
In my case my natural persona is to be a dominant daddy figure. So I only search out naughty little girls that need their daddy. But I try to pre-screen and pre-qualify them as much as is needed prior to meeting them. Many will just tell me upfront that we are not a match. Good thing I asked. And because of the sugar, some girls will lie and not be who I am looking for (but due to all the effort just to meet them, and being a horny fool I may fuck them once or a few times anyway).
If you are worried about your game just pursue someone you think is below your standard and work your way up. Or you could only date girls you are super attracted to physically. Let them know they are exactly what you are looking for in either case. That's probably the easiest way to get rolling. Many moons ago I was a membership salesman at Great Expectations. We used to tell clueless people that statistically they would have to go on about 20 dates to meet the right person. I believe that's true even if you aren't clueless. But that's not to say you couldn't fuck a few of them along the way till you strike real gold.
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11-23-14 20:36 #7713
Posts: 142Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
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11-23-14 17:11 #7712
Posts: 306Game, part 2
Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
After coffee, drinks or dinner, we usually end up in my car (new, expensive, clean) to chat for a bit. There, I'm looking for signals that they are interested and are potential FC candidates. But in general, I get either cluelessness or worse, the cold shoulder. Mind you, I'm not aggressive by any standard. I'll turn my shoulders their way so we're not side by side like 2 idiots. They seldom do the same back. If they say something funny, I might graze an arm or leg while laughing. If they are manicured, I might compliment them while holding a hand. What do I usually get in return? They stare straight ahead, knees tight together, hands on knees or thighs, shoulders firmly planted in the seat, seatbelt sometimes strapped in. There's just no way to move from there to a convo about a next date, let alone the FC.
I have some theories. Obviously some are just not attracted, I get that. But my current batting average is worse than with the civvies, so something is not adding up. I might come across as lacking self-confidence by trying to be nice. I might come across as needy by not laying down what I expect. Maybe they need little hints like "How would you show your daddy if you liked the date? Or "What last impression do you want to make? Should I act like a peer, like a father, or like a boss?
SM.
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11-23-14 16:07 #7711
Posts: 5502Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
20 AA slim and trim. Another 7/9 which seems to be my sweet spot.
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11-23-14 15:06 #7710
Posts: 127Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
But yes, every AA girl I've ever spoken to or received intro letters from is definitely more aggressive about their pursuit of you than any other race of women.
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11-23-14 11:37 #7709
Posts: 14Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]
Is it me, or do the AA babies seem more aggressive and "available"? I am an equal opportunity monger and I love women of all color but these seems to be something I've run into as of late.
Vaguy68.
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11-23-14 10:26 #7708
Posts: 168Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]
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11-23-14 09:51 #7707
Posts: 127M&G with another SA POT later today. I've been trying to steer my M&Gs to Starbucks or Biggbys or something similar instead of a restaurant. Hard to talk to one another while eating, the M&G doesn't have to take nearly as long as it would at a restaurant, and it saves on the budget. I have another M&G with a different POT in a couple days, also for coffee.
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11-23-14 02:48 #7706
Posts: 5502I am in spinner paradise. She is the tallest girl I have ever been with by far. 5'11' and 118. Amazing skills. Date 5 and counting. A true NP princess. But like I told her. "I really dont care what your story is as long as you can make me believe it". My experience tells me she is totally for real. I am not in doubt about her low mileage or NP status. Total for the first 5 dates is $$$$ so far. It's creeping up but she's well worth it.
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11-23-14 00:17 #7705
Posts: 61Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
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11-22-14 17:14 #7704
Posts: 40Getting Them Over the Line
Slow and Dandy.
For many women, sex for money is a line that is hard to cross overtly.
On the one hand, many women desperately need money for whatever, but for most of them, to get money for sex and admit that's what they are doing is one small step for man, but one giant leap for womankind.
What SB / SD sites do is give them a fig leaf so they can convince themselves that the line is "over there", and that being a SB is not really money for sex, and that what she is doing hasn't crossed the line quite yet.
So, with that in mind, with the waverers I have used two things in combination. The first, curiosity. Women are curious creatures. The second is to make sure that the only way their curiosity is satisfied is if they come to the M&G.
For example, if someone is interested but hesitating, it means that they are unlikely to have done this before. So, invite them to the M&G on a definite "no money or sex" meeting where you will tell them all about the various scams that could trap them, or something else they seem to be curious about. Them DON'T let them wheedle that information out of you by email or text. In other words, the only way they can satisfy their curiosity is to come to a "definitely no money or sex" M&G.
The whole point of this rather absurd charade is to get them to the face to face meeting by giving them the excuse that they are not meeting you to negotiate sex for money, oh good gracious no, they are meeting you to satisfy their curiosity.
Once at the M&G, you then have the chance to let them relax and get comfortable with you. Once they are there, the likelihood of progression to the FC is high, if you have enough game.
I don't. LOL.
However, what has worked on enough occasions to make it worth while is this. When I see them making the exit sounds, I bring out one of those fridge magnets, write my phone number on the magnet side plastic, and give it to them saying something like "Look, I can see you are not interested now, but if you ever have a real financial crisis, call me and we'll see what we can work out". If the magnet is cute, it will likely end up on the refrigerator door. When the refrigerator is empty and my number is up there. With these women, it is often only a matter of time before the crisis really hits.
I have found at that point my lack of game is much less of a problem.
Please note that this is only worth trying for those pots who are wavering. UTR and experienced SB aren't in the crosshairs for this. I use it for the married ones and their partners. Couples in financial need are often the biggest waverers for some reason.
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11-22-14 16:05 #7703
Posts: 306Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]
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11-22-14 12:27 #7702
Posts: 66My strange week
Ok, I actually had a whole day to myself and was determined to capitalize on it. There are 2 POTs that I have been talking to extensively for 2 months now. Do to distance, schedules arranging something with them has been difficult but now I had like an 8 hour window. Surely it would work out. Plus another POT that I had talked to awhile back started texting me. In addition, my POF profile had struck up with an UTR, and I had initiated chats with two other young SBs POTs. So here is the breakdown.
POT31-- Talked to her almost on daily basis for 2 months, 31, white, very cute, seems to be very sexually open. I think we get along great. But everytime I suggest an actual date, she gets strangely silent, doesn't even acknowledge the proposal. So I throw out Friday knowing in theory it's a good day for her to meet me. No response on it. She continues to chat with me, but just sort of acts like the idea was never floated. Not sure where this one is going to end up. In some ways, I think she sort of likes me as a person but can't figure out how that fits in with the SD / SB thing. If I was single and lived closer, I actually think she would just want to date me.
POT23- 23, mixed, grad student. Very cute with a tinge of sexy. Sort of funky personality which I like. She's different but not mental. We talk about 3 times a week. Like above, we seem to get along really well. I throw out Friday knowing she doesn't have class, really no response like above but at least she just stops chatting altogether. I don't really get it, but I think some girls just can't pull the trigger when it gets right down to it.
POT24 - Tall lean, AA girl, 24, just finished school, doing an internship. Very attractive, nice body, maybe a little too skinny if anything. But a solid 9 in my book. We chatted before, but schedules never meshed, now she is texting me again. But she has her internship on Friday, so can't meet up. But she does ask me for cash to pay for some licensing exams she has to take. It sounds like a legit request but I explain that I can't forward her money considering we haven't met and it's been impossible to arrange anything so far so why should I be confident that next week or the week after we are going to be able to do it? She has no transportation of own and apparently cannot borrow a friends or family members car. Haven't heard from her since.
POT18-Just starting chatting with her on like Wednesday. 18, white, a few extra pounds (I seem to be king of this type), cute face. Lives with BF, not sure how I feel about that. She lives about 50 minutes from me, no car We chat a little, and I went tosee her on Friday AM. She has an appt. We talk a little, play cards, then make out like a couple of teenagers. She says she is on her period, not sure if I believed it but didn't push further. We hung out for about hour and a half. I actually left without any contribution but we did talk about buying her some boots she liked when I came up next. I will see her again and start being generous.
UTR. Chatted with on POF, 20 AA, looks like a nice curvy but fit body. She was very upfront about what she wanted in exchange for companionship. Maybe more a pro but I couldn't find her on any pro sites so I dunno for sure. Since my 18 year old above did not drain me of my energy, I try to hook up with her. I suggested a time. She say how about 20 minutes from now. I say I can't, I am about 50 minutes from you. She says maybe she can wait. I try contacting once I am back in town, no answer. Later she said her phone died, we could reschedule. Not sure what to think but I will likely try again just to see what she is all about.
POT19 -- White, pretty, no body pic but I think she is probably average build. Text for a short while. Its very weird, we grew up in the same town and actually lived on the same street, albeit 3 decades apart. Chat seems to go well, a lot of kidding back and forth. I tell her it's getting late but would love to talk more. She seems very interested. But she has not responding to my texts since.
Meanwhile, my original SB emails me saying her friend who she had previously said would do a threesome with us was in dire straits and needed money. The email made it sound like her friend (who is very pretty) wanted in on some action. I say I am interested and to text me. Like an hour and a half later she finally texts me but it is abundantly clear that it would just be original SB and she wanted way to much. I ignored the texts and then email her the next day saying "What happened, never heard from you".
Anyway, at least it's never dull.
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11-22-14 11:25 #7701
Posts: 141st Post, long time Lurker!!
Ok, HollywoodGuy has pulled me out of the shadows! I have lurked on USG for years (and years) and was active in the DC MP scene back in the good days. BP girls when I travel here and there. I saw this SB forum 6 months or so ago and became interested in the bowl. I've RTFF from the beginning and am truly impressed with some of your exploits. I'm a pretty private type so posting on such a forum is a stretch for me but I figured I've taken, so I should give back.
Joined SA a few months ago. I live and work outside the metro area proper so my options are a little limited. I work a lot and have been trying to locate SB's that are close enough that I can play during the day a little.
So far:
30 something AA. M&G at Starbucks, FC at her place a few days later. Little thicker than I like but she was sweet and even baked me cookies. I gave her $ and she was appreciative. Fun but did not repeat. She wants a BF.
Multiple messaging with lots of others but they are either flakes, druggies, serial texter's etc. I need to update my profile as I threw a quick one on there to get me started. I'm going to spend the time to craft a much more appealing ad.
I'm a decent looking mid 40's guy. Not sure I can pull the 19-20 YO's but I'm going to try. I will keep you updated. Thanks to all you successful ballers. You are an inspiration!
VAguy68.
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11-22-14 10:46 #7700
Posts: 95Originally Posted by FotoGuy1970 [View Original Post]