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11-24-14 17:27 #7728
Posts: 109There is no doubt!
Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
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11-24-14 17:21 #7727
Posts: 5502Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
Most UTR's will move their hand there faster than you can move their hand there. LOL
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11-24-14 15:37 #7726
Posts: 40SlowMo,
It is hard to suggest what to do without seeing you in operation. Even if we were in your local, it is hard to have someone sit in on your interviews. .
So, here is something from way out in left field, but which I have plenty of experience with.
1). You need to like Asian spinners and spanners.
2). You need to have a couple of weeks spare.
If the above do not apply, ignore the rest of this.
Then head off to Angeles City or Subic Bay in the Philippines. As someone who has been there regularly since the seventies, I can tell you the following:
1). It is NOT "point and click" like the lurid tabloids or IJM would have you believe.
2). The girls can and will refuse you, and they do. Often.
3). They do need money, however.
4). There are lots of them, and sooner or later you WILL be lucky, no matter how bad your game.
5). It is a conservative Catholic country, so if you give them the fantasy you are wooing them, they will often give you the fantasy of being you're honeymoon bride. .
6). In Angeles and Subic, there are lots of bars close to each other with lots of women in each. That means you don't have to arrange the M&G.
7). There are so many guys within the bars and they often arrive in groups, so if you have a wingman observing your MO it will no be noticed.
8). There are several good specialist boards for the Philippines. Not sure if I am allowed to post links, so I won't. Not hard to find.
However, the material point from the above is that Angeles and Subic are really a sugar bowl on training wheels where the m&g is already available in the bars, and so all you have to do is work on your game. However, I say again, these places are NOT point and click, ignore any site that says they are.
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Gents,
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http://www.internationalsexguide.info
Thanks,
Jackson
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11-24-14 10:54 #7725
Posts: 733Game
Game is a combo of looks, personality, and confidence. IMHO the last is most important. These girls want to be told what to do and how to do it since they are already in the game. A few will chicken out but might reenter after a cooling off period. Just let them know that you intend to take them to bed and the only question is when and where.
A favorite trick of mine is massage. When we are talking I ask if they like massage, and of course they all do. I tell them I am really talented and will give them a professional one, which I know enough about to do very well. In the car or restaurant I will grab their hand and massage them in a non sexual way. That usually makes them curious enough to try me out. I tell them we can get a room, and if all they want is a massage we won't go further. They all go further. Massage is a great way to relax them, examine their body in detail, and move on to sensual moves easily and naturally. If they slam their legs together when you are working the Glut area as a prelude to massaging the vulva then you know you have some more work to do. Usually when I stroke their breast and nipple arrea I can see their breathing quicken and eyes flutter. When you stroke the butt and slip down to hit the labia they usually spread their legs a little to let you get in a little further, eventually to allow a finger to slide inside. Then game over. Your pants should be coming down with one hand at this time. There are some good Porn sites that demonstrate sensual massage techniques and how that can morph into fucking.
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11-23-14 22:09 #7724
Posts: 5502Originally Posted by DogSun [View Original Post]
I used to sales train quite a bit. I would sometimes train groups. I would tell them "Hey, I can give you everything I know and you could still fail. You know why? Because there is one thing I can never give you and thats a personality". (outright and nervous laughter from the crowd). "But you know what? You know who you are and you need to be that person and no one else (unless you're an actor). And you know why people like you, so when you find that person who does, spend all your time with them, and don't worry about the people that don't." You can fuck any girl for a price (because every girl has their price), but you cant make someone like you for a million dollars.
In my case my natural persona is to be a dominant daddy figure. So I only search out naughty little girls that need their daddy. But I try to pre-screen and pre-qualify them as much as is needed prior to meeting them. Many will just tell me upfront that we are not a match. Good thing I asked. And because of the sugar, some girls will lie and not be who I am looking for (but due to all the effort just to meet them, and being a horny fool I may fuck them once or a few times anyway).
If you are worried about your game just pursue someone you think is below your standard and work your way up. Or you could only date girls you are super attracted to physically. Let them know they are exactly what you are looking for in either case. That's probably the easiest way to get rolling. Many moons ago I was a membership salesman at Great Expectations. We used to tell clueless people that statistically they would have to go on about 20 dates to meet the right person. I believe that's true even if you aren't clueless. But that's not to say you couldn't fuck a few of them along the way till you strike real gold.
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11-23-14 20:36 #7723
Posts: 142Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]
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11-23-14 17:11 #7722
Posts: 306Game, part 2
Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
After coffee, drinks or dinner, we usually end up in my car (new, expensive, clean) to chat for a bit. There, I'm looking for signals that they are interested and are potential FC candidates. But in general, I get either cluelessness or worse, the cold shoulder. Mind you, I'm not aggressive by any standard. I'll turn my shoulders their way so we're not side by side like 2 idiots. They seldom do the same back. If they say something funny, I might graze an arm or leg while laughing. If they are manicured, I might compliment them while holding a hand. What do I usually get in return? They stare straight ahead, knees tight together, hands on knees or thighs, shoulders firmly planted in the seat, seatbelt sometimes strapped in. There's just no way to move from there to a convo about a next date, let alone the FC.
I have some theories. Obviously some are just not attracted, I get that. But my current batting average is worse than with the civvies, so something is not adding up. I might come across as lacking self-confidence by trying to be nice. I might come across as needy by not laying down what I expect. Maybe they need little hints like "How would you show your daddy if you liked the date? Or "What last impression do you want to make? Should I act like a peer, like a father, or like a boss?
SM.
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11-23-14 16:07 #7721
Posts: 5502Originally Posted by RubberyMan [View Original Post]
20 AA slim and trim. Another 7/9 which seems to be my sweet spot.
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11-23-14 15:06 #7720
Posts: 127Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
But yes, every AA girl I've ever spoken to or received intro letters from is definitely more aggressive about their pursuit of you than any other race of women.
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11-23-14 11:37 #7719
Posts: 14Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]
Is it me, or do the AA babies seem more aggressive and "available"? I am an equal opportunity monger and I love women of all color but these seems to be something I've run into as of late.
Vaguy68.
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11-23-14 10:26 #7718
Posts: 168Originally Posted by DandyDon [View Original Post]
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11-23-14 09:51 #7717
Posts: 127M&G with another SA POT later today. I've been trying to steer my M&Gs to Starbucks or Biggbys or something similar instead of a restaurant. Hard to talk to one another while eating, the M&G doesn't have to take nearly as long as it would at a restaurant, and it saves on the budget. I have another M&G with a different POT in a couple days, also for coffee.
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11-23-14 02:48 #7716
Posts: 5502I am in spinner paradise. She is the tallest girl I have ever been with by far. 5'11' and 118. Amazing skills. Date 5 and counting. A true NP princess. But like I told her. "I really dont care what your story is as long as you can make me believe it". My experience tells me she is totally for real. I am not in doubt about her low mileage or NP status. Total for the first 5 dates is $$$$ so far. It's creeping up but she's well worth it.
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11-23-14 00:17 #7715
Posts: 61Originally Posted by VaGuy68 [View Original Post]
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11-22-14 17:14 #7714
Posts: 40Getting Them Over the Line
Slow and Dandy.
For many women, sex for money is a line that is hard to cross overtly.
On the one hand, many women desperately need money for whatever, but for most of them, to get money for sex and admit that's what they are doing is one small step for man, but one giant leap for womankind.
What SB / SD sites do is give them a fig leaf so they can convince themselves that the line is "over there", and that being a SB is not really money for sex, and that what she is doing hasn't crossed the line quite yet.
So, with that in mind, with the waverers I have used two things in combination. The first, curiosity. Women are curious creatures. The second is to make sure that the only way their curiosity is satisfied is if they come to the M&G.
For example, if someone is interested but hesitating, it means that they are unlikely to have done this before. So, invite them to the M&G on a definite "no money or sex" meeting where you will tell them all about the various scams that could trap them, or something else they seem to be curious about. Them DON'T let them wheedle that information out of you by email or text. In other words, the only way they can satisfy their curiosity is to come to a "definitely no money or sex" M&G.
The whole point of this rather absurd charade is to get them to the face to face meeting by giving them the excuse that they are not meeting you to negotiate sex for money, oh good gracious no, they are meeting you to satisfy their curiosity.
Once at the M&G, you then have the chance to let them relax and get comfortable with you. Once they are there, the likelihood of progression to the FC is high, if you have enough game.
I don't. LOL.
However, what has worked on enough occasions to make it worth while is this. When I see them making the exit sounds, I bring out one of those fridge magnets, write my phone number on the magnet side plastic, and give it to them saying something like "Look, I can see you are not interested now, but if you ever have a real financial crisis, call me and we'll see what we can work out". If the magnet is cute, it will likely end up on the refrigerator door. When the refrigerator is empty and my number is up there. With these women, it is often only a matter of time before the crisis really hits.
I have found at that point my lack of game is much less of a problem.
Please note that this is only worth trying for those pots who are wavering. UTR and experienced SB aren't in the crosshairs for this. I use it for the married ones and their partners. Couples in financial need are often the biggest waverers for some reason.