"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

My comment makes more sense when the pictures of the Hollywood Guy's tomboy princess are attached. LOL. NOTHING like that in my market.

The post under your original comment is the "pillow princess". Here is the "tomboy princess". Similar body types except this one is 5'11" and the other one is only 5'5". Plus she (TBP) flaked on me last night with an explanation. And is almost at the flaking point tonite. So a little frustrating.

[Playa12]

Fuck it, I'm moving to LA. LOL.

My comment makes more sense when the pictures of the Hollywood Guy's tomboy princess are attached. LOL. NOTHING like that in my market.

[JZLizard]

When I get a GPS number back from a Pot and she acts insulted by my pawltry she usually says she is "worth" more than $X. Ithen tell them that they are priceless. But my budget restraint is the number I mentioned. How do you argue with being considered priceless?

Turning the discount into a complement is actually a very good way to handle it.

[JZLizard]

I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.

Oh I thought it was pretty funny even at 200 for a 50 year old "sugarbaby".

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.

Always read your post after you submit it. There is an auto correct feature that may not always display the txt as you intended it. You have one hour to edit the post.

[SlowMo]

The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.

I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.

[FredMoore]

When I get a GPS number back from a Pot and she acts insulted by my pawltry she usually says she is "worth" more than $X. Ithen tell them that they are priceless. But my budget restraint is the number I mentioned. How do you argue with being considered priceless?

[JZLizard]

The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.

Regardless of age, women are usually terrible at negotiating. They don't have the competitive streak men do (that might change as they get older and gain life skills, I'm not sure because I've never tried talking allowance amount with anyone over the age of 23).

When the subject is left alone, often they will be happy with whatever you give them simply because they were never required to negotiate. HOWEVER, if we ASK them how much they want, it's going to be a ridiculous amount. Why? A number of reasons really but some are that they generally don't have a clear understanding of the realistic value of money, they are basing the amounts off "upper end" fees they've heard about on TV. But also because we've put them through the possible pain of negotiation, something they know they are lousy at, so the get defensive and start high. Unfortunate, because unlike buying a used car, trying to discount the amount means that we have to figure out ways to gentle *DEVALUE THEM PERSONALLY* (think about that for a moment, it's different to say to someone "I feel your car is worth 60% of what you've asked" than it is to say "I feel YOU are worth less than what you've asked" Some of them take personal devaluation better than others -- if they seem thick skinned and negotiate their pussy readily, it's probably because they are a hardened pro. I think avoidance of talking money up front is one reason most of my M&Gs have worked out. The few times I asked them what they were looking for, it backfired on me as their expectations are never realistic. When I gift them after the fact, they always thank me for it, nobody has ever expressed disappointment.

I know some others report a very different experience by setting a maximum rate with a take it or leave it approach, and I can see how that works in certain markets with certain demographics, but at least for my "occasional" hobby I've found my own method of avoiding money talk, getting to the M&G and into the FC before the issue of money comes up works best.

[SlowMo]

Regarding your thoughts on cougars: I used to always think that once a cougar turned the corner (after mid-late thirties or so) they would look in the mirror and say to themselves "ok, I'm not as hot as I used to be, it's time to lower the standards". However, my experience with women has been that either they are generally not as smart as that, or let's put it more tactfully and say that their behavior is more hormone-driven than logical. In other words, they tend to become even more demanding, more bitchy, and less pleasant to be around the older they get.

The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.

[HollywoodGuy]

Old girls: So I started screening for up to 40 yrs old thinking they are more desperate. Well so far they are the epitome of GPS AND less appealing t me, so back to the teenies.

Can't get one to save my life.

[JZLizard]

So JL, when is hunting season beginning for you this year? I remember the GF might not leave town? It's nice to live vicariously. I feel like I am doing that already. My public dating is nil and I am angling for an UTR that is low volume. So in my profile as to "I'm seeking" I just put no travel, dinner, or drinks, just you and me LOL. We'll see if I scare all of them away. I might try mixed / black. I usually screen for Cauc / Asian, but I have had several great times with the former. They might be easier and cheapr as Hollywood says. After all, I just want a FB to show up and Polish my knob without being the 12th for the day.

Re: POF. I established a profile and got caught in this testing BS that took AN HOUR! When I finally got to screening I hit the age thing too. So we have to put our age under 30 to see these 20 yr olds.

Old girls: So I started screening for up to 40 yrs old thinking they are more desperate. Well so far they are the epitome of GPS AND less appealing t me, so back to the teenies.

Unfortunately I never know for sure when I will get my next "mancation" from the GF, it depends on her schedule and there's nothing on the immediate horizon in the next few months at least. Sometimes an impromptu trip will arise, it's just hard to predict when. I usually get about a months notice which is usually ample time to make some SB contacts for a little travel play. I've considered creating some "needs for business related travel" for me that is independent of her schedule, but it's so much easier when she travels first because it distracts her from focusing on what I might be doing while she's gone.

Regarding your thoughts on cougars: I used to always think that once a cougar turned the corner (after mid-late thirties or so) they would look in the mirror and say to themselves "ok, I'm not as hot as I used to be, it's time to lower the standards". However, my experience with women has been that either they are generally not as smart as that, or let's put it more tactfully and say that their behavior is more hormone-driven than logical. In other words, they tend to become even more demanding, more bitchy, and less pleasant to be around the older they get. I'm not necessarily saying all females become worthless after 40 (for those of us with wives / girlfriends / mothers / daughters / etc.). I'm saying the kind of women who will advertise themselves on an SB site. Or, better yet it applies to regular civvy dating as well. If they are still single at age 40, there's a good chance they are just plain damaged goods. Sure, some of them end up divorced for reasons that aren't their own fault, but for the most part if they were really a woman worth keeping around, someone married them a long time ago and did just that.

Speaking of which, the other day I was watching Amy Fisher's live web cam. Yes, Joey Buttafuoco's Amy Fisher. She was sitting there on the bed, chubby and looking like a nasty mess, and she was bitching about how nobody would pay $2! She was going "what's wrong fellas, ya like to just show up and try to get a looks fer free do yas"? In a jersey accent. LOL It was the stereotypical hormonal rant, but she was chastising potential customers -- some of the worst salesmanship I've ever seen. I was just sitting there laughing, refraining from saying things like "come on Amy, calm down, nobody wants to get shot in the head here". But I took the high road and did not. She eventually logged off.

[Playa12]

As some may know I broke up with my sb gf about 4 months ago. I saw her today for the first time in a month. It's not really about the sugar anymore. Thats basically over. I spent about 55 dollars throughout the day. I will now refer to her lovingly as my "pillow princess". Because that's what she is. Part of why we had to break up.

The other part was her lack of endurance. But as a regular girl to see once or twice a month, she's cool, in love (and too pretty to ignore). And she is still exclusive to me except for maybe an occasional girl she has on the side and I am not even sure of that.

I think we may have found a way to have a successful afternoon date. Low drama, very loving, and it keeps us connected. Here she is today with no makeup and her hair undone. Almost time for walking dead and then afterward I am gonna drop by to see my new "tomboy princess" for a car date.

Fuck it, I'm moving to LA. LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

I guess I was a bit woozy from my date with the "pillow princess". I accidentally took an ambien instead of the vitamin C I was gonna use to perk up for my date. Woke up 3 hours later and called to apologize for flaking. I'll try seeing her tomorrow.

[HollywoodGuy]

As some may know I broke up with my sb gf about 4 months ago. I saw her today for the first time in a month. It's not really about the sugar anymore. Thats basically over. I spent about 55 dollars throughout the day. I will now refer to her lovingly as my "pillow princess". Because that's what she is. Part of why we had to break up.

The other part was her lack of endurance. But as a regular girl to see once or twice a month, she's cool, in love (and too pretty to ignore). And she is still exclusive to me except for maybe an occasional girl she has on the side and I am not even sure of that.

I think we may have found a way to have a successful afternoon date. Low drama, very loving, and it keeps us connected. Here she is today with no makeup and her hair undone. Almost time for walking dead and then afterward I am gonna drop by to see my new "tomboy princess" for a car date.

[FotoGuy1970]

UPDATE on SA POT 2: She asked to postpone lunch date due to feeling under the weather and we decided to get together tomorrow and go straight to the FC. She is looking for 2-3 visits a week at $$ - $$$ per week or whatever I feel comfortable with. Never had such a hot SB with such low expectations. If she's really good in the FC I plan on giving her a bit more than she's expecting, to make sure she keeps cumming back to me.

SA POT 3: Almost right after I posted my previous report, I had an initial message to HCB get responded to. She's local, has never been a SB before, and has no idea what to expect, but she is definitely aware that she'll need to be spending FC time with me before I open my wallet. We decided on 1-2 visits per week at $. 5 per visit. Again, another young hottie with low expectations. This is very, very rare for this area.