"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Anytime I send a message to a girl on SD4 M I give them 7 days to respond. If they don't respond I delete the sent message. You would be surprised how many suddenly respond when they see that. It works here and there.

[Jayb20]

Hey guys, I've been doing more and more of the SB thing. I've been hesitant to pay monthly fees and have been using SugarDaddyToday as a result. I'm thinking about signing up and wanted to see if the seniors on this forum had any recommendations. J.

[Nerd29]

Went really well! It is amazing the amount of play that is available in a very large city! I had two weeks and I wanted to have fun. I ended up meeting with four ladies, all in the first week and went to the FC with 3 of them. I had to turn down dates for another 6 or 7 because my time commitments and it was just so overwhelming!

First girl met me at my hotel about an hour after landing. 26, very tiny and fun. She just came over from work and asked to use my shower to freshen up. Of course! FC before even heading out. That was a great start to the trip. We ended up going out and walking around and getting a late lunch. I wish I had seen her again this trip. She was fun. Cost $$.

I had another date scheduled that evening with 28 yo Russian. I had to cancel because some work event came up. I never got a chance to meet her.

My 2nd date was with a 34 yo MIRDNWTFBDAW (mom I really did not want to fuck but I did anway) She was super cool in out texts but I never got a full body photo. And you guys know what that means! Yeah, just a little larger than advertised. Oh well. I took one for the team. Cost $$ and dinner.

#3 was the only one I did not make it to the FC with. A 27 yo asian, tiny former gymnast. Look hot in leggings and heels. Went to dinner, sort of forced and awkward, hug at the end of the date and that was it. We just did not click. Cost about 60 $ for dinner.

#4 was my favorite. 18 year old hottie. She shows up in a nice black dress, later find out no panties on. We go to dinner, walk around chinatown and then head back to my room. 2 rounds of absolute fun. Like prior conversations about these young women. She loved it rough, anal, choking, everything. We even put on a nice show in front of the windows of the hotel. She wanted to spend the night but I wasnt into it. Morning fun would have been great, but I passed. Cost $$.

That was just my first 5 days in town. It was spectacular, for the most part, and with time I could have fileded several quality players for my team. I found I did not have the bargaining power to get the best deals so I tried to stay around the $$ range. I was met with some outlandish $$ offers from some real stunners. To hear what some of these women are earning from guys is pretty crazy. I found the normal asking rate was between $$ With some negotiating I could get that down though. I know if I was local and could offer them something consistent I could be playing in Hollywood Guy's ball park. I just did not have the leverage, knowing it was going to be a onetime deal.

Here is my contribution to the bowl.

[Dolato]

I've only been swimming in the sugar bowl for a few months and I've already done that twice LOL. I'm taking a cue from you and starting a spreadsheet.

It was discussed a while back on how different people keep track, especially if you're playing the numbers and messaging all the new ones that show up.

I preferred using a hobby only email from outlook because ms also offers an integrated storage, onedrive (like gmail with google drive).

Besides keeping a spreadsheet in there with different info- I tracked username / real name / age / city / phone number / other misc info I should know.

I also saved the pictures in individual folders. Nothing worse then being at a m&g and not remembering exactly what the girl looks like.

[VaSD1]

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

I've only been swimming in the sugar bowl for a few months and I've already done that twice LOL. I'm taking a cue from you and starting a spreadsheet.

[HollywoodGuy]

I find one of the problems is to balance the need for quality and consistency with the need for novelty and variety. Once you find someone (or someones) you like, you want to keep them, as over the years one learns to recognize the value of combined youth, beauty, brains and low drama. These finds are rare. However, even $ aside, there just that many days in the week and one still needs to exercise, play golf or tennis and do house chores. Your concubines become addicted to sugar and need their weekly (that they sometimes request to become bi-weekly) trysts, while you are instead tempted to explore the underworld behind the skirt of your newly convinced doll. Adding someone new to the rotation will put more pressure on all these previous commitments, and eventually, resources. Still, I suppose that is a better problem to be had than dealing with the unpredictability and all the complementary problems of the threads outside this one, aptly described below.

It's inevitable that some girls (even good girls) are going to rotate out. The novelty and variety aspect makes that a given. The only good thing (at least for me) is that having a couple of regulars keeps me from going totally off the deep end as far as fucking any random girl that crosses my path. While many hot girls turn me down over my refusal to pay $$ to a newbie (as in new to make my acquaintance) , I turn down just as many due to distance and availability.

[SlowMo]

In a testament for how quickly things can change in the bowl (see previous post), I have three M&G lined up for this week:

- One with the girl who's phone presumably died on an earlier attempt. The only reason for a 2nd chance here is the quality of the communication (phone incident aside) and the hotness of the pix. She's the one who proposed the new date, time and place. That seems like a good sign.

- One with a MILF who seems to know what to expect as she wants to make sure I understand she's not in her pre-kid physical condition. I anticipate a low level of expectation here due to her low-cost town and complex situation.

- One with another hot girl with a self-described "practical" level of expectation, but I want to test that a bit as she works in a beauty salon.

Let's see what the count is by week's end. Place your bets now.

SM.

[JeanSaulPartre]

I find one of the problems is to balance the need for quality and consistency with the need for novelty and variety. Once you find someone (or someones) you like, you want to keep them, as over the years one learns to recognize the value of combined youth, beauty, brains and low drama. These finds are rare. However, even $ aside, there just that many days in the week and one still needs to exercise, play golf or tennis and do house chores. Your concubines become addicted to sugar and need their weekly (that they sometimes request to become bi-weekly) trysts, while you are instead tempted to explore the underworld behind the skirt of your newly convinced doll. Adding someone new to the rotation will put more pressure on all these previous commitments, and eventually, resources. Still, I suppose that is a better problem to be had than dealing with the unpredictability and all the complementary problems of the threads outside this one, aptly described below.

[BamBam]

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

Some of the women post a new profile when the old one gets stale. Sometimes they create new pics but often they are using the same ones form several years back. I just shrug and say: "How could I passed on a great woman like you? Let's try a second time!" There is always a chance their expectations have adjusted lower.

RB.

[HollywoodGuy]

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

[JeanSaulPartre]

And its not GFE, it's a part time real GF, and there is a difference.

So true. Yes, that is the main reason to play in the bowl.

[HollywoodGuy]

I think he meant she was wanting $$$ per date so things got put on pause after the M&G.

Mileage is a huge difference when it comes to who you want bb action from.

Also with the time spent with a SB, you can teach them to service you just as you like and cater to your wants and needs rather than asking what her "menu" is.

Menus, rules, restrictions, condoms, clock watching, mileage. All for a little convenience?

It is so tempting to pay the $$ for a guaranteed hottie, that may have some real skills to boot. But there is no future in it. It's a revolving door that a lot of guys do prefer. I like regulars that are exclusive to me and take direction with a smile. And its not GFE, it's a part time real GF, and there is a difference. I am probably gonna treat myself to a some UTR or Pro hotties for xmas. But the mainstay has to be SB's.

I have talked pros into GFE sessions, but their heart isn't in it for the long term. Some are very sweet and nice and hope with a little extra effort they can turn you into a regular. And then they back down a little on the affection after a a few dates (or even one). Just my experience. But thats the difference on this thread. We are the 1 percenters of the paid dating world.

[Dolato]

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

I think he meant she was wanting $$$ per date so things got put on pause after the M&G.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

Mileage is a huge difference when it comes to who you want bb action from.

Also with the time spent with a SB, you can teach them to service you just as you like and cater to your wants and needs rather than asking what her "menu" is.

[HollywoodGuy]

I started messaging a girl that had no pic on her profile. Never a good sign.

She was like mid thirties yet couldn't seem to have an even conversation with me via txt. Another bad sign.

Too many messages going back and forth. Another red flag.

Tried to flake on our M&G and reschedule. More bad news.

Finally sent me a pic that was fuzzy. A no no.

At this point I am like ok, it says in her profile that she was "slim and fit". I get her to meet me at a starbucks nearby. Within one minute I knew this was never going to happen. Talked to her for 20 minutes anyway just because I am a nice guy. Then she asked me the dreaded question (and this was after me sending her a P4P message) "so what exactly are you looking for?

Uhhhhhh, pussy? LOL. And I am sure I could have gotten it from her. But she wasn't that slim. I might except some thickness from an 18 year old but not from a 35 year old.

I need to stick to my rules. And only date 20 year olds. They seem to know what I want and don't ask a lot of stupid questions. I could do a hookup date later tonite with the UTR of the moment. Maybe tomorrow, right now I am gonna get a massage (a legit massage).

[FredMoore]

Success depends on:

1) looks.

2) game.

3) money thrown in.

4) availability.

All but #4 can be gotten around. So if you guys are fruetrated by your lack of success then look hard at which of these can be changed. For example, Hollywood, the Patron Saint of Sugaring, has (I suspect) #s 1,2, and 4 in action . He is monumentally successful and chooses to limit his donation( #3) because he can. On the other hand, an SD without looks or game can be successful by throwing a big number at the Pot. Can you imagine the response to your intro letter if you said you will give $1 K / meeting? They would be lining up to blow you.

I confess I have been struggling fellow Sugars. I am fortunate to have 1 & 2 . But my So is all over my ass and I can not go to Home Depot without a tail. It's not quite that bad but #s 3 &4 have suffered because my bank account is noticed, and my availability is severely limited. I am pretty much down to needing to hire hookers but I want a LMG (Low Mileage Girl) Can I have that? I am trying my brothers but the success rate in closing the deal has fallen to under 20 % . You have got to be available to date these SBs a little bit. That means go out in public and take them to dinner, throw some Benjamins around, maybe walk through Target (Chanel isn't even necessary) and buy a $35 sweater. They love you for that slice of normalcy.

So if you are skulking around the shadows trying to get a cute college girl to meet you in the notel and skip dinner, it isn't likely to happen. Just sayin '.