"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[VaSD1]

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

Lord no, LOL. I paid for coffee. $$$ was what she wanted to go to the FC.

[Dandy Don]

My little friend paid some modest tuition money, learned a lesson, wants to share it with those here.

My little friend came to believe his SB had serious financial issues making her turn to this life and dancing on a pole.

She always seemed anhedonic at the FC.

Her need for cash was insatiable and the tales told to try to get more sugar were impressive: court dates, fines, got to stay out of jail, an advance NOW, an advance tonight.

The image presented to the world was that of young college student, the reality was much different.

My suggestion to those that are in the SD world: Learn about Heroin. Learn how it can be ingested, what the signs of a problem are, learn the lies that get told to get more money.

Then choose how you play the game.

Don't get taken.

One girl off SA who periodically messages me, always very eager to get together and very suggestive, I believe has a drug problem. She is a pretty girl, but she texted me pics that seem to reveal a loss in weight. I hunted down her facebook page and her appearance has definitely changed in the last year. So I suspect H or pills have taken hold. This is why is always best to chat for a little and gather as much info about the girl as possible so you can do some online research. Another girl I found a couple mugshots but never could determine the exact reason for the arrests.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Pretty girl but at $$$ was only a M&G for me. Left the door open, maybe she'll reconnect at a more reasonable number if she doesn't get any takers.

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

[Grumpyinva]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

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I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

The numbers game is overbalanced far more than you would expect, at first. Do not be surprised to talk to 20-50 potentials (of which 1/4 will actually move to the meet and greet, at best,) and to have sent out 4-5 times as many messages, and only find one that's reliable and worth keeping. When you do find one, your goal is to manage to negotiate a budget that's affordable, because, face it, you can hire 20 yo hotties at an hourly rate, and have plenty of variety without the time investment, dinners, and general drama. The bonus of a SB is that the few that are reliable tend to stay reliable (unless you move them from "per-visit" to "allowance", at which point you will find a sudden and sharp downturn in their availability for many of them. Sometimes correctable, sometimes just a lesson to move on,) and you actually develop a comfortable quasi-relationship with them, with no clock watching whatsoever. It's par for the course for them to be willing and happy to stay overnight with you, with no thought of extra $ on top.

I do tend to stay friends with my relatively few ex-SBs, including those who were encountered in more traditional ways than hitting a site (I. E. Identifying potentials in "normal" situations, and making sure they get the message that you're open for some mutually beneficial discussions, without coming off as too creepy,) and have occasionally revisited them for short spans of time, to satisfy an itch. Another option is regular dating sites. A lot of the girls you see on sugar sites will have regular dating profiles, as well. Never admit you saw them on an SD site, and you can sometimes let yourself be "lured in" to a mutually beneficial relationship. However, I have found that SBs tend to have a shelf life of about 6 months to a year. I admire HG for his ability to maintain them over longer periods, but perhaps his extreme variety helps him to keep the requisite amount of distance from any given one of them. As long as they're still trying to get your attention and your time, and you're fitting them into your schedule (NOT vice-versa) they seem to last for a while. If you let their service slip, though, you need to remember that this is, by nature, transactional, and either their service needs to improve, or you need to find a replacement (and you'll find it useful if you keep on looking, even if your frequency of hunting goes down a lot.) Never buy into sob stories, but do expect that every so often one will hit you up for some random emergency. And see above for the same effect as moving to "allowance". If they feel that they owe you, they're less likely to show up than if they feel that things are balanced.

But, back to the topic at hand: yes, they flake. A lot. Constantly. No call / no show is the most frustrating, closely followed by "I'm on the way, but I'll be just a few minutes / stuck in traffic / babysitter hasn't shown up" etc. The first requirement I have is finding one that doesn't flake, before I consider whether we should be doing anything more than a one-off. The second requirement (also mandatory) is that I find them attractive and interesting enough to continue. Sadly, the overlap between those two requirements leaves an extremely small range of girls.

Disclaimer: My odds are based on having average looks, and not a huge amount of cash to throw around. If you do better in looks or cash (even if you don't spend the cash on THEM, don't discount the effect of casually pulling up in your polished sportscar. Not flaunting, just making it clear that that's your norm,) you'll find a lot less flakiness, as they'll sometimes be aiming for the jackpot (I. E. The possibility of an LTR with you,) instead of aiming for a temporary lifestyle enhancer. For me, I just want to be their lifestyle enhancer. I get enough relationship BS already. .

Anyway, persevere, and know that it's not just you. I don't think anyone gets SB experience without dealing with absurd numbers of flakes and no-shows.

[VaSD1]

How was # 2 ? The blond.

Pretty girl but at $$$ was only a M&G for me. Left the door open, maybe she'll reconnect at a more reasonable number if she doesn't get any takers.

[John252]

My little friend paid some modest tuition money, learned a lesson, wants to share it with those here.

My little friend came to believe his SB had serious financial issues making her turn to this life and dancing on a pole.

She always seemed anhedonic at the FC.

Her need for cash was insatiable and the tales told to try to get more sugar were impressive: court dates, fines, got to stay out of jail, an advance NOW, an advance tonight.

The image presented to the world was that of young college student, the reality was much different.

My suggestion to those that are in the SD world: Learn about Heroin. Learn how it can be ingested, what the signs of a problem are, learn the lies that get told to get more money.

Then choose how you play the game.

Don't get taken.

[HollywoodGuy]

Don't give up yet. In almost three months since I discovered playing in the sugar bowl I have had my share of flakes but the rewards of the good ones make me think if I ever won the lottery I would spend the rest of my life playing the sugar daddy game.

How was # 2 ? The blond.

[VaSD1]

When it rains it pours. I am always looking but mentally I really have a, I don't give a shit attitude about it all right now. Also to make things a little more chill for my regulars I have started wearing condoms with any random girl I meet. I don't really like it but I get it.

I still miss my x but I am dealing with it. Girls can smell neediness and desperation from a mile away, something I have very little of these days. At the moment I am so physically drained. These girls will take it out of you. But no matter how tired I feel one day I seem to rebound the next.

Plus the flu and cold season came a little early, that can really put a damper on things. Just rambling. When I have some new pics to post I will. I am trying one thing at the moment with just one girl. Which was to get into a convo with no talk of sugar. Something I never do but it just took off in that direction. In the past that tactic has always backfired on me. I really really just don't care right now. So maybe its a good time to experiment.

I lost a girl Monday shooting my mouth off after she flaked. I could have acted like it was OK and rescheduled her, but instead I told her I had a back up date. She didn't like that. Oh well, next. So instead I went out with a chinese girl I met at a party a few weeks ago. She was the bartender. I asked her at the party if she had ever tried sugar dating and she said no, but she gave me her number. On the date the chemistry just wasn't there for me and I am sure she picked up on that. It was kind of hard not to as I was at half mast. Never a good first date. I apologized it was so bad. I might txt her again. She was cute and sexy but my mind was elsewhere.

Last nites date was my 3rd date with a new college cuite. She agreed to the $.2 but then tried to hit me up for mare at the end. I refused. She got out of the car without saying goodbye. I,ll fix it later if I can. Her skills are excellent and worth the extra effort.

Lets see some pics guys. I love pics and a lot of the girls do too. They all secretly (or not so secretly) want to be little porn star princesses.

I don't have any completely fresh pics but HG deserves some fun for all of his contributions. Here is a sampling of some of my sugar bowl girls over the last couple of months.

[VaSD1]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

I might have mentioned that date #2 went well with a cute girl (no sugar involved). Via email she agreed to the FC, but it's been a week and so sign of a future meeting, so that's not looking up.

A few days ago I did a Skype convo and 2 phones with new girls. The skype girl was cute, nice and upbeat on Skype, but then disappeared, so I can only assume I'm not her type, which is fine. The first phone girl has been all excited to meet, which we had scheduled for yesterday. 2 hours before I hit the road she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to do it. Girl #3 has been very forward, so I texted her when the flake fell through. She said she could M&G in 2 hours, but at the appointed time she was MIA. She later claimed that her phone died. She'd like to reschedule, which I might do because her pictures are easily the hottest I've seen to date. But I don't hold much hope there either.

I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

Don't give up yet. In almost three months since I discovered playing in the sugar bowl I have had my share of flakes but the rewards of the good ones make me think if I ever won the lottery I would spend the rest of my life playing the sugar daddy game.

[SlowMo]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

I might have mentioned that date #2 went well with a cute girl (no sugar involved). Via email she agreed to the FC, but it's been a week and so sign of a future meeting, so that's not looking up.

A few days ago I did a Skype convo and 2 phones with new girls. The skype girl was cute, nice and upbeat on Skype, but then disappeared, so I can only assume I'm not her type, which is fine. The first phone girl has been all excited to meet, which we had scheduled for yesterday. 2 hours before I hit the road she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to do it. Girl #3 has been very forward, so I texted her when the flake fell through. She said she could M&G in 2 hours, but at the appointed time she was MIA. She later claimed that her phone died. She'd like to reschedule, which I might do because her pictures are easily the hottest I've seen to date. But I don't hold much hope there either.

I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

[Dandy Don]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

If all you want is a quick encounter than sure, BP might be ok depending on your locale. But my experience is that a SB experience is much, much better. First off, I am pretty confident that my SBs have not been sleeping with 10 guys a day 360 days out of the year, so that's a plus. Second, SB encounters usually last a minimum of an hour, sometimes several hours to overnight. To me that sure beats 20 minutes in a smoked filled hotel. Thirdly, because of point #1, I am going to engage in activity with my SBs that I would never do with a BP girl. And I have been a little surprised by just what things girls will do. Fourth, SBs are fun to talk to you. I enjoy chatting with them, I can says things to them I can't tell anybody else. It's like going to confessional. And what's best, they don't judge you.

Over the last year, I have had a few FWBs mixed in with the SBs. Even though SBs get sugar and FWBs do not, I think I still prefer the SBs. You just have to find the right ones, who relish there roles and truly like older men.

[FredMoore]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

My experience with BP in my area is that most are HMGs (high mileage girls) **UTRs at best and escorts more likely. I prefer low mileage to celibate which is more likely on the Sugar sites.

My 10/10 19 yr old has grown a conscience and bailed from the sex scene. She is still on the site but swears that she is on money for no sex. Good luck with that! More likely she is still looking for somebody more suitable. Too bad because she is a 4'10" spinner I could have a load of fun with.

My SB#1 is only seeing me I'm pretty sure but I need some variety.

[Rouleur]

What I meant to say was.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. But if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher. All true SB's are GFE. Something I think all the guys here need to have to be happy.

It is much more than just the need to Fukk. I want that GFE and perhaps a little beyond, and I'm willing to spend more to get it.

[HollywoodGuy]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

What I meant to say was.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. But if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher. All true SB's are GFE. Something I think all the guys here need to have to be happy.

[HollywoodGuy]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. And if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher as well. All true SB's are GFE.