"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

" I will not be taking my clothes off, you won't be touching me, we won't be having sex, I will not be giving you hand jobs or blow jobs or anything like that. This is for people who get off on spoiling a girl and having a good time. ".

Whoa! You can't make it any clearer than that. Some guys might take that on as a challenge. Not me. I ask that question again "are there guys out there who pay these girls? I guess theyfigure they have notheing to lose taking a swing at it.

Got an UTR in RVA if any of you locals are interested.

[Madaboutmax]

I enjoy getting to know someone before we get intimate. That part of what I think makes sugar dating different than escorting. I usually explain that in any relationship there is, at some level, an expectation of intimacy and financial support. I make it clear the two are tied together, but I'm willing to get to know someone before going to that level. Most of the time, we go to the next level on the first date. LOL The newbies need to feel like it is their choice.

Had coffee with the young MILF. That chick is a poor communicator and disorganized. She had me wait 20 min at the coffee shop since she didn't leave her place until I arrived even though it was a place she picked and I was crystal clear about my arrival time. Turns out she's not my type at all, and she has this story of a friend of hers getting a free BMW from her SD. Well, good luck with that. I'm not even sure I'd do her for free.

The out of the way MILF flaked out on me the morning of our date. She presumably forgot a charity bike ride she was to be in. Needless to say I've since lost her number.

The 19 yr old student likewise vanished on the day we had tentatively picked to M&G. Because she's much more my type, I'll play this one cool and try again at a later time.

On the plus side, I had a 2nd date with the 20-something student. We went shopping where she helped me pick something I was looking for (nothing for her), and then had an early, but high-end dinner (if I'm going to eat out, might as well make it good). I dropped her off at her place and we talked in the car for a bit. She did not respond to my signals, but in a clearly clueless manner, not in a GPS manner. She did eventually connect the dots on her own via email later that day, thank goodness. And she's open to going to the FC on our next date, which should be next week sometime. She's also been writing dirty emails, which is a distinct change of pace for her.

I'm now beginning to understand why experienced folks like Hollywood are really explicit very early: some of those girls literally don't know what an arrangement is for. I was worried of scaring them off before, but then I'm paying with my time, which is precious. I'd be curious to know what folks lay down at the M&G, do's, don'ts, expectations and offers. My guess is that you have to lay it out there. One difficulty I don't know if other SDs share with me is that I do not show a face picture on SA. Girls get to the M&G blind, which I'm now thinking costs me a date as they need a bit of time to figure out how they feel about me. Anybody else setting blind dates due to privacy needs?

SM.

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know what a girl would think if you sent this with your pics. Haven't tried it yet.

But I am going to.

[HollywoodGuy]

I had an overnight date with a webcam girl before and I had a great time, but it was pricey!

Was that a SB or did you entice her off the webcam site?

[Donwhite]

Its been a whole month since I have even touched my x "the princess". I see her posting a lot of stuff about wanting to get with hot girls on her IG and twitter. Still talk to her daily. I watched a sex tape we made at the height of our romance. It made me a little sad, as I still miss her, but even at her hottest you would have had to multiply that by 2 or 3 just for me to have stayed the course. Hence the breakup.

My "MILF" is finally finally moving into her new apt. Even if I do spend a $ a date at least it will all go to her and not the room. I calculate that she has averaged about .8 a date since I met her because of paying for the no-tel. So she will actually be getting a raise and I will save about .6 a date (the cost of the room minus the .2 more for her).

My webcam baby (pictured) got a $$$$$$ tip at work the other day (12,425 tokens to be exact). Those guys be crazy. Another new addiction of mine. Webcam Girls. You can watch them for free all day and night. LOL. A lot of guys try to coax the girls into meeting. In rare circumstances it does happen. Talk about pouring on the sugar. These guys will spend thousands online to get a girls attention. Virtual romance is an expensive habit. But I like it because you get to see real girls playing with themselves. Very informative as they rarely fake orgasm. I have seen sex toys I didn't even know existed. Too bad she lives so far away. She would be my new GF if she was nearby. We get along great. And she really is adorable. And the sugar is not her prime motivation.

My little girl "S" is going to try to dance nude tonite at a local club. Hope it works out for her. She still won't take a dime from me even though she is hungry and not properly clothed. And she is now a full time student as well.

Had a couple of freebie makeout dates that went no where afterward. One was just a horny girl that I got "lucky" with. Do this stuff enough and anything and everything will happen.

I did meet one new NP first timer that I had awesome sex with twice and paid her $.5 because she really was worth it. But its been tough trying to see her. A combination of her schedule and wanting to get paid more. She agreed to keep taking the $.5, but she is no where to be seen.

And life goes on.

I had an overnight date with a webcam girl before and I had a great time, but it was pricey! The bowel has been kind of barren for me lately. I had a nice overnight date with a 21 yr old 5'8 half Italian / half Filipino model from Atlanta with enhanced 32 DDDs, but it was a little pricey. I did break a personal record. I had only had sex four times in 24 hours before and we managed five times in 24 hours (three times that morning before she left! I have a brunch date with a 5'10 blonde 22 yr old Mississippi State sorority girl on Sunday. I hope it goes well. She is gorgeous and I love blondes. Can you also tell that I like them tall?

[SlowMo]

Gents,


Then this girl who's online shine has quickly worn off: just another busy single mom. There's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't exactly what the profile led one to believe. Turns out she's only available when her kids are in school, which happens to be when I work. Not sure how that's going to work out.

And recently I had a drink with this 20-something girl. She did arrive 25 min late, which pisses me off to no end because I run a tight schedule. You better believe that next time I'll schedule such that she might have to wait instead of me rushing. She is super cute, better than her pics. Seems like a hard working student. Wasn't too fond of her not maintaining eye contact for more than 1% of the time. Let's see what her feedback from our meeting was. I'm not too optimistic.

I presumably have breakfast lined up with a MILF that is pretty far out of the way. Seems cumbersome, but I want to see if she'll move to the FC more quickly. And something I have yet to figure out with a 19 yr old student who at first wanted to do steak & wine dinner before I suggested drinks or something that quick. I have no desire to be in a 90 min first date. That chick is really artsy and that's usually not my type, so I need an escape route.

Had coffee with the young MILF. That chick is a poor communicator and disorganized. She had me wait 20 min at the coffee shop since she didn't leave her place until I arrived even though it was a place she picked and I was crystal clear about my arrival time. Turns out she's not my type at all, and she has this story of a friend of hers getting a free BMW from her SD. Well, good luck with that. I'm not even sure I'd do her for free.

The out of the way MILF flaked out on me the morning of our date. She presumably forgot a charity bike ride she was to be in. Needless to say I've since lost her number.

The 19 yr old student likewise vanished on the day we had tentatively picked to M&G. Because she's much more my type, I'll play this one cool and try again at a later time.

On the plus side, I had a 2nd date with the 20-something student. We went shopping where she helped me pick something I was looking for (nothing for her), and then had an early, but high-end dinner (if I'm going to eat out, might as well make it good). I dropped her off at her place and we talked in the car for a bit. She did not respond to my signals, but in a clearly clueless manner, not in a GPS manner. She did eventually connect the dots on her own via email later that day, thank goodness. And she's open to going to the FC on our next date, which should be next week sometime. She's also been writing dirty emails, which is a distinct change of pace for her.

I'm now beginning to understand why experienced folks like Hollywood are really explicit very early: some of those girls literally don't know what an arrangement is for. I was worried of scaring them off before, but then I'm paying with my time, which is precious. I'd be curious to know what folks lay down at the M&G, do's, don'ts, expectations and offers. My guess is that you have to lay it out there. One difficulty I don't know if other SDs share with me is that I do not show a face picture on SA. Girls get to the M&G blind, which I'm now thinking costs me a date as they need a bit of time to figure out how they feel about me. Anybody else setting blind dates due to privacy needs?

SM.

[VaSD1]

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

Met first one today. Emailed a few times and made sure we were on the same page as far as expectations. Set up today's meet and she replies back that she is 20 weeks pregnant. Went ahead with meeting her at her apartment (yay. No room, and no coffee). She was as her pics but with the expected bulge in front. Slim girl, 25, long dark hair and gorgeous blue eyes. I just had to hit it for the kink. For $ I was happy. Might do again but having troubles keeping up with regulars and new M&Gs. Still made a nice memory and this one is one of the few that's not on SA (although she didn't know she could be on SA without paying if she uploaded a pic. Might see her there soon). One down, two to go.

[JoeBlowDC]

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

IMHO. Well with WYP there is more feeling of a date but I think MUCH less chance of nookie.

[HollywoodGuy]

Its been a whole month since I have even touched my x "the princess". I see her posting a lot of stuff about wanting to get with hot girls on her IG and twitter. Still talk to her daily. I watched a sex tape we made at the height of our romance. It made me a little sad, as I still miss her, but even at her hottest you would have had to multiply that by 2 or 3 just for me to have stayed the course. Hence the breakup.

My "MILF" is finally finally moving into her new apt. Even if I do spend a $ a date at least it will all go to her and not the room. I calculate that she has averaged about .8 a date since I met her because of paying for the no-tel. So she will actually be getting a raise and I will save about .6 a date (the cost of the room minus the .2 more for her).

My webcam baby (pictured) got a $$$$$$ tip at work the other day (12,425 tokens to be exact). Those guys be crazy. Another new addiction of mine. Webcam Girls. You can watch them for free all day and night. LOL. A lot of guys try to coax the girls into meeting. In rare circumstances it does happen. Talk about pouring on the sugar. These guys will spend thousands online to get a girls attention. Virtual romance is an expensive habit. But I like it because you get to see real girls playing with themselves. Very informative as they rarely fake orgasm. I have seen sex toys I didn't even know existed. Too bad she lives so far away. She would be my new GF if she was nearby. We get along great. And she really is adorable. And the sugar is not her prime motivation.

My little girl "S" is going to try to dance nude tonite at a local club. Hope it works out for her. She still won't take a dime from me even though she is hungry and not properly clothed. And she is now a full time student as well.

Had a couple of freebie makeout dates that went no where afterward. One was just a horny girl that I got "lucky" with. Do this stuff enough and anything and everything will happen.

I did meet one new NP first timer that I had awesome sex with twice and paid her $.5 because she really was worth it. But its been tough trying to see her. A combination of her schedule and wanting to get paid more. She agreed to keep taking the $.5, but she is no where to be seen.

And life goes on.

[Beachesnole02]

She is an UTR if not an out and out escort. There is a lot of money in escorting. A "friend" I know makes $175 K / yr and I'm sure some of the higher class girls can do better than that.

If an SB is seeing an SD who is helping her out in exchange for companionship then to me that is a Sugar relationship. If the SB is seeing multiple Daddies then purely and simply she is escorting. Truth be told they are all escorts if they are taking money in return for sex even if they only have 1 client.

Then in the interview the girl goes on to say there is nothing wrong with it, it.

"it's not like I am an escort getting paid for sex".

[FredMoore]

One, who was not that attractive claimed she had gotten 10 k last month out of seven different men. I am thinking I would have passed if she showed up for a M&G.

Someone must be paying stupid numbers to some of these women. A

She is an UTR if not an out and out escort. There is a lot of money in escorting. A "friend" I know makes $175 K / yr and I'm sure some of the higher class girls can do better than that.

If an SB is seeing an SD who is helping her out in exchange for companionship then to me that is a Sugar relationship. If the SB is seeing multiple Daddies then purely and simply she is escorting. Truth be told they are all escorts if they are taking money in return for sex even if they only have 1 client.

[FeelGoodMd]

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

There is a ton of crossover from SA, and if you buy the cheapest credit package ($50), and bid one girl down to $20 (good luck with that. I've gotten one girl down to $30, the rest have wanted in the $50-80 ranee) once you meet up you've already spent more than you would for a month on SA. Plus. The girls are expecting the cash just for showing up for a M&G. WTF?

I've been on one date with a girl from WYP (see posts 7471 and 7480), and set up another one. I got held up at work and had to cancel on her at the last minute. To which she replied that she expected to be paid for the hour she wasted sitting and waiting for me at the coffee shop (why did she show up an hour early? And that "even though I used a program (google voice) she'd traced my number" and would tell my wife unless I sent her double what we'd agreed on through PayPal. I told her I'd send it to her. If she could tell me my real name to prove that she knew what she thought she did. She blustered and threatened. But never did reply with my name. That was a week ago, and I haven't heard a peep from her since. This is her SA profile: https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ecde1929/view.

If I could do it over again I'd save myself time, money and frustration and buy (another) month on SA. They're essentially the same girls (every one I've communicated with, whether we agreed on a bid or not, has also been on SA), and there's not the supposition of "cash for coffee" when you meet.

Just my two cents.

[Beachesnole02]

So the local news chanel is running promo's for their Monday night big story. They are looking into SB's and were showing screenshots of SA along with clips from interviews with a couple young black women saying they would never go back to regular dating. One, who was not that attractive claimed she had gotten 10 k last month out of seven different men. I am thinking I would have passed if she showed up for a M&G.

Someone must be paying stupid numbers to some of these women. Anyways the story might be interesting. It focuses on college student women, and my source at the news said the idea came from an intern who claimed she had friends doing it (I suspect her talking in the third party may have concealed that she did it).

[Minnanon]

My guess is that we SD's are not seeing the promotional material the websites are aiming at young women. It would not surprise me if such material makes it sound like there are young millionaires who cannot get dates and are looking on the site for women just to spend time with. This is how they get young women to sign up ensuring a steady flow of new ones for us. Some women adjust their expectations; others just drop off. Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

RB.

Spot on. I had a nice long chat with a POT where there was no chemistry, but she's smart as a whip. The young girls think there's a ton of 30-something, movie-star looking guys willing to drop big bucks on them. We compared some notes. In my area on SA, there is 1 SD for every 3 (actually 3. 25) potential SBs. 80% of the SD's have a listed income of 200 k or less. 90% are 40 or over.

Many of the youngsters are asking 3-5 k month maintenance to open. So these girls think they are going to get 36-60 k a year in post-tax dollars from guys making 200 k or less? Gently explaining those facts has not done me much good. (Yet the girls that have turned their nose up at my counter are still actively looking weeks later, based on their activity).

Unfortunately—around here at least—most of them seem to eventually drop off rather than get with reality.

[FredMoore]

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

I like to have my SB's full attention for emotional and safety reasons. Like Hollywood I would require at least that she use condoms with others, but how do you enforce that? I guess in the end we have to assume that they are seeing others just as we are doing. OTOH if you are paying over $1000 / month then it is reasonable for a non greedy girl to provide monogamy. Just like our need for sex, girls' need for money is endless. It is too tempting and easy for them to add another guy or two to the rolls.

A case in point. I am working up a 9/10 20 yr old. We have chemistry from the M&G and have only the FC date to do, but she lives 2 hrs away. She required platonia, but I think that is a moving target. She is searching and has a live-in couples gig on the table (she is very frank about it). It actually would bring her to my city where I could see her on the side. She says the people are OK with that. It takes the support requirement off the table for me and perhaps my allowance can be just for fun, and therefore cheaper and in my price range. But I don't like the thought that she is live-in meat for others to bang at will and on a frequent basis. So I am getting sloppy seconds.

So to second your concern Beard, what is one to do? Like you I guess I will just try to ignore her other activities and enjoy her. What does the committee think?