"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Traveling John #2** · 10-25-14 17:41

So I have been reading the form and finally decided to jump into the water. I have a few profiles and the various sites and so far SA seems the best of course I do not like the monthly fee but whatever. I have a few girls I am chatting with in the DC / MD / VA area and had my first MG last week. The girl was decent looking and we did not discuss too much about cost. She started off with the only have drinks but it ended in a couple hour session of wild fun. The best part it only cost dinner at a cheap place and a small gift presented when I first met her. Unfortunately the ride came to an end the next day as she wanted to discuss allowance and was clearly looking for something serious. I might have been ok with it, but she had a lot of rules like no other girls, could not get too serious about her and must understand if she is not available all the time. It was a great one time event and I just know I will not have the same experience again.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-25-14 12:39

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

I had a M&G with a subject MILF this week. 29, with a beautiful face and mommy's booty. Classy and seems very smart. Hubby travels and when home wants to talk about home refinancing and such (I wonder if he is a hobbyist?) and she feels neglected. I've never been to the FC with a MBL (that I know of) but I'm intrigued by the thought / kink. We're getting together again Tuesday. Any thoughts or advice from other SDs on having a MBL SB? Thanks!

I never do them. Too many single girls.

**SlowMo** · 10-25-14 12:39

Originally Posted by John252 [View Original Post]

Married advisors desired.

I just asked Siri and here's the advice she has for your friend. First, your friend noted the young lady is a smoker, which likely means your friend isn't. Thus, every time he walks out of there, his hair and clothes will smell. Best if your friend carries a change of clothes in the car. This is made easier if he sees her just before or just after going to the gym as the change of clothing is thus integrated in the routine. Your friend should also carry an extra stick of his regular deodorant and whatever lotion he uses. He may also want to have baby wipes in the car for lipstick smudges and cleaning mr. Johnson should the SO be extra frisky when he gets home. Obviously, a dry towel and comb is a must. If the situation permits, he may want to insist on a shower before leaving but that won't fix the cig smell.

Because of potential volatility on the young lady's part, your friend would be well advise to carry nothing of value in the FC and no personal details. Car keys and cash will suffice. Young lady should procure and provide necessary supplies such as party hats (which leave behind a distinct smell).

Your friend should go to Walgreens and invest a few dollars in a Trac prepaid phone. Best to enable it from a non-personal computer, perhaps one of the office machine when not logged under his own name. Or at the very least through private browsing mode through a free wifi such as micky the's.

When the young lady tips into insanity, as these things often happen, it's best to remain calm. Remember that pride and ego only gets in the way of long term goals. Money wasted should at worse equate one meeting. Primary objective would be to disengage with no physical marks. In the mean time, enjoy the young lady, and try things you would not with SO. He should work on his fantasies. Addicts will let you do some crazy stuff.

All according to Siri.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-25-14 05:48

Well my MILF flaked on me tonite so I decided to go out on a M&G with the just recently turned 18 year old pictured. She turned out to be a true NP first timer and I am the first guy she met off the sd site. As per usual I messaged her the first day she was on the site. We then txted all week (just a few short txts a day to stay connected) till the first day I could really drive that far (130 miles rt) to meet her.

She was an intelligent classy young lady (the kind you could take home to mother). A black muslim girl from africa but fully americanized. Very beautiful but thick. I knew this before I left but she had me convinced that her NP status was the genuine article. She was a 8/6/10/8. I give her a six but she was proportionate and sexy as hell.

We had a 2 hour makeout date in a park with some mutual touching that revealed some real chemistry. She was very seductive and I loved every minute of it. I could have kissed her forever. It was that good. So we decided that due to logistics that she would take the train to me for date 2 in the FC. An all day date that could go overnite for a $ plus train plus food.

In the sugar world timing is almost everything. And this girl is ready to burst. Our next date is scheduled just before her period when she will be at the peak of her monthly horniness.

As we were parting I said to her "You ARE a strong independent woman. But in the FC you are daddy's baby girl". She looked down slightly and smiled.

**John252** · 10-25-14 05:48

Wow, it has been great reading here over lots of time.

My little friend has been in daycare education for so long, perhaps finally progressing in education. A yr + ago he met a CLer at her smoky public crowded dog infested grassy apartment. He had not seen her email about M&G fee. Talked for a while, generally nervously on both ends. She was blond / stacked / slender / cute / youth on her side, first yr college. He returned later with fee. Never hooked up after that as the emails got ugly on both ends. CL ads seemed very active on her part. Ticked some people off. Perhaps mugshots for non hobby stuff observed.

Fast forward. My friend finds the window to meet suitable high standard SB very difficult to climb thru. No burner phone, no paid subscriptions, no great expense situation. He is married.

New CL ad, easy to communicate with. After a number of emails finds out it is above girl needing rent help. He meets at her place again, new place more private. Similar college stank, many more tats. He would prefer to not shit in his own backyard BUT the chance is being taken. Hug at the door, mugshot explained. Easier to talk to. Friend explains his cAMP experiences as safe outlet, explains comparable expenses available for quality time. He remembers no action for MG fee, suggests moving to FC. Simple action obtained, nothing great but enough to tell she could be a playa. Would be easy to meet again. CAMP money left behind, like a child she went to count and was delighted in was not just 20.

Pros: She is willing able cute trainable friendly banging body.

Cons: additional rent space in the head, likely some drugs there, odor. Febrreze needed. Likely others involved also. My friends intuition is she is a bright kid whose life is on the wrong course. Daddy instinct strong, maybe wrong.

Married advisors desired.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-24-14 23:42

Originally Posted by SlowMo [View Original Post]

Wow, I don't see any reason to go beyond the $ level. Out of curiosity, with all the dating, how do you keep your tool from chaffing? What's your "maintenance" program? One day off per week? Liberal cream usage? Powder? Massage manipulations?

Haha. I was dating about 25 days a month. Dropped it to 15 or so the last 3 months. Ready to get back in action next month.

**VaSD1** · 10-24-14 23:27

I had a M&G with a subject MILF this week. 29, with a beautiful face and mommy's booty. Classy and seems very smart. Hubby travels and when home wants to talk about home refinancing and such (I wonder if he is a hobbyist?) and she feels neglected. I've never been to the FC with a MBL (that I know of) but I'm intrigued by the thought / kink. We're getting together again Tuesday. Any thoughts or advice from other SDs on having a MBL SB? Thanks!

**SlowMo** · 10-24-14 23:18

Gents,

Just a quick update. After a 3 week lull, activity has picked up significantly. I'm actually slightly overwhelmed with girls wanting to proceed from email to meeting rather quickly. I just don't have enough time slots. Couple of days ago I did 4 voice verification back to back.

There was this young one who didn't like one thing about my profile (I'm very candid), but was intrigued by what I had to say. We met for a drink. She is a fox. She was riveted to me for 90 minutes, but in the end wouldn't flex on her principle. After a few more emails this went dead.

There have been a couple of flakes who were enthusiastic on the first few phone calls but then would not or could not move to a M&G. Dump.

Then this girl who's online shine has quickly worn off: just another busy single mom. There's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't exactly what the profile led one to believe. Turns out she's only available when her kids are in school, which happens to be when I work. Not sure how that's going to work out.

And recently I had a drink with this 20-something girl. She did arrive 25 min late, which pisses me off to no end because I run a tight schedule. You better believe that next time I'll schedule such that she might have to wait instead of me rushing. She is super cute, better than her pics. Seems like a hard working student. Wasn't too fond of her not maintaining eye contact for more than 1% of the time. Let's see what her feedback from our meeting was. I'm not too optimistic.

I presumably have breakfast lined up with a MILF that is pretty far out of the way. Seems cumbersome, but I want to see if she'll move to the FC more quickly. And something I have yet to figure out with a 19 yr old student who at first wanted to do steak & wine dinner before I suggested drinks or something that quick. I have no desire to be in a 90 min first date. That chick is really artsy and that's usually not my type, so I need an escape route.

Total to date after 7 weeks in the bowl:

4 M&G, 1 2nd date (BJ), 0 FC.

Spent maybe $250, half of which was on that 2nd date where I over did it a bit, live and learn.

I'm setting the bar very low gentlemen.

SM.

**VaSD1** · 10-24-14 23:17

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

HWGuy. If there is ever a Sugar Daddy Hall of Fame you should be the first inductee.

**SlowMo** · 10-24-14 23:04

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

Wow, I don't see any reason to go beyond the $ level. Out of curiosity, with all the dating, how do you keep your tool from chaffing? What's your "maintenance" program? One day off per week? Liberal cream usage? Powder? Massage manipulations?

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-24-14 21:26

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-24-14 20:54

SD-ing can sometimes be slow on the weekend. Babies got their friends, their BF's, and other stuff to do. And UTR's have their better paying clients that wait till the weekend to have fun. I have been backing down my volume for the last 3 months and I am ready to just go for it again. Tonite I am not taking any chances though and will see my MILF about 9 tonite. After that if I have any energy left I may try to see a far away girl because I will already be halfway there and she has been very attentive with the txting. She is a little thick but I am always more forgiving when they are young, and she just turned 18 last month. Also she has me convinced that she is from a middle class family and still lives with her parents.

A super hottie (bathing suit) txted me and said she could be interested. I was thinking this has to be TGTBT, so I txted her a little and maybe I got through to her on some emotional level because she said my offer was a joke but she liked my vibe. She is a little older (25) 5,3" so maybe I get lucky who knows, but I am gonna pick up the pace a little from now till xmas. If the economy keeps picking up as well then next year is gonna be a blast.

**FredMoore** · 10-24-14 09:05

Originally Posted by Mlboriole [View Original Post]

If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.

I agree with both concepts True SB vs UTR. There is an UTR thread separate from this one for hard core reporting. I have received referrals from valued friends here and I appreciate it. I have an UTR right now I see for $. 5 who is SBish. I don't think she is seeing others right now, and turned to SA to pay a debt which she has been able to do. If any of us identify an UTR needing a few contacts I want to hear about it please. But then again no need to ask. The SD will offer the contact if he wants to help his SB. Some SDs can not afford the monthly nut to keep an SB solvent and out of trouble, and would rather enrol his brothers to help keep her in play rather than lose her to the street.

**JZLizard** · 10-23-14 23:08

Originally Posted by LikeMike1963 [View Original Post]

It is just the opposite!. The DOM (being the female here) force you to submit to HER whims with your finances. And not necessarily for our kind of play either. They just dominate YOUR fin aces. Yeah. Glad that is not MY fetish!

I know what she meant, it's just the irony of what she thinks she is entitled to compared to her skill in expressing what she wants via language that's so hilarious.

"Financial domination" sounds to a thinking man like something only slightly less desirable than "financial devastation", and very far on the other side of the spectrum of "financial freedom", so anytime sometime finds themselves requesting it, they should probably just stick to sucking cock.

It's kind of funny, I routinely look at the FB page of some of my former SBs, or former fuck partners that had delusions of being in charge of something one day in their lives. So many of them post feminist rants. Not so much the fuck buddies (some of those were great women) but many of the SBs do. I guess we could label it it the "Belle Knox" syndrome (if you don't know who that is, it's the Duke University student that majors in feminist studies, yet simultaneously does porn shoots where she is being pissed on, spit on, choked, gagged with cock etc. Then explains that it is an expression of her feminist rights to submit herself to all of this, supposedly making men look stupid in the process because they fail to understand the irony).

Like I said, female logic.

They can feel in power all they want as long as they suck cock good enough and take the load without gagging. If that's a sign of female domination then sign me up.

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-23-14 22:34

Originally Posted by JeezLizard [View Original Post]

Its been said here before, but looking for referrals in the sugar baby world is only muddying the waters, making it harder to find what you're really looking for (UTR escorts) and making it harder for SDs to find real SBs and vice versa. A real SB will never hook up with a referral contact, and an SD should ALWAYS select his SBs based on his own attraction preferences.

I'm not knocking UTR activity at all. Sometimes I wish I had a solid network for it, simply because true SB dating is a lot of time and effort. But I wish folks would quit coming here trying to swap SBs at the trading post because it is completely missing the point.

Thank you for saying what a lot of us are thinking, Jeez.