"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

More about last night. When I first met this girl she was wearing a very conservative outfit and looked like any other beach cities girl. I remember asking her where we could meet for an FC date and she said she couldn't use her apartment because she didn't take strange guys there. Even after months of txting here and there, she said I had to host the date.

It was obvious why when I entered her apartment and it smelled and looked like a typical pro pad. It smelled like stale sweat and perfume, and there was no furniture except a bed. LOL.

She was a high volume super fine escort trying to play off being a shy SB newbie. Two players trying to play each other, but she won out in the end. I would call her a high end escort as she had that perfect body and well practiced skills, with a somewhat southern demeanor. So in the end I did pay $ for something that most providers would charge about .5 for.

The hunt goes on.

[HollywoodGuy]

What a day. I started off having a planned date with a NP fetish girl that is very new to the scene. Which are the only ones I am interested in. Anyway due to some logistical issues we decided to take a rain check. First my x "princess" calls saying she wants to stop by and I tell her to just go home cuz I am too busy working. A couple hours after that an NP first timer that lives near me starts texting me and says she wants me to take her to eat for an M&G. Suddenly I realize she has been txting me for about 2 hours, and I am like, hey babe, I am hungry and where the fuck are you? That was it, she went radio silent.

The only other prospects I had were a couple of young girls living at home and far away which would have meant me picking them up, bringing them back to my place and then taking them home. Too much work. All the while I am thinking, tomorrow I have a date with my webcam baby anyway.

So I finally go to dinner about 11 pm alone. As I am eating, this girl I did a M&G with a year ago who has been txting me off and on about once a month suddenly txts me. I have never gone out with her as she is always talking these crazy prices. So I say to her I will give you $ if you want me to come over now. She agrees. I know its a risk but I am so horny from thinking about all these other girls all day that I decide to jet over there.

Anyway, the moment I walk in to her apartment all pretense is dropped. This girl is a jet setting pro. She tells me she has apartments in L.A., Vegas and Miami. She is a solid 8/10/9/8 . 21 years old. And I only give her an 8 in the skills dept. because she refused to fuck me for the $. She had a kick ass body to die for. Insane. This picture does not do her justice. She was perfectly toned and proportioned.

So I took my BJ and left. She worked it so hard I told her they should call this "Fast and Furious". You could say it was a waste of time because I will never see her again. But at least she is off my bucket list. As an FYI... she had a profile on SD4M and came on to me initially as a 9 to 5 working girl that was just a little shy on cash. She was good. I knew she was UTR, but she had me fooled. Super nice girl but far from what we look for on this thread. At least I was only out my $ to find out. Certainly nothing to cry about and a good reason to stay on budget.

[HollywoodGuy]

I can have girl A for $ or girl B for $$$$.

Girl B is obviously hotter and prettier. But 4 times hotter?

I think I,ll go with girl A.

And in bed you can never know till you get there no matter what they say or how they look. My gut tells me girl A will be more open to suggestion and girl B will have some rules. They are both UTR's off SD4M. Now 4 bills is a joke, but most of the super hot UTR's do want $$. Even at $$ I would pass just to stay on budget.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sometimes these Babies say preposterous things and we all want to blast them with some insult and say "get real ". It rarely has worked out well for me. My answer is usually "Honey, you look like you should ask more than that but I can only afford X. I'd love to see you if you decide to see a guy who will show you a good time. Sometimes it works, most of the time not.

I treat this whole Sb thing like any other type of fast close. I am willing to go to a two call close. If I am not successful I just go the the next one. Next, next, next. And I never say anything negative. Recently I circled around and around to close a very hot UTR and actually wore her down a little and managed to get 2 dates out of her before she just went right back to her upsell and then mia. I realize the bounty is not as great in some areas, but that's the way it is here. And I can't even imagine doing a M&G without the girl already agreeing to my offer.

[FredMoore]

I had an experience today with a girl on SA. Her profile says she is a model type and her financial expectation is High (23 why / o). Her pic is a rear view on the beach in a bikini. Sent her a message saying "Honey, from the waist up you may be model material but from there down not so much. " because her ass is nice but a bit wide for a true model and the proportions of her thighs / knees / calves are more linear than shapely. Told her the financial expectations didn't match up with the look. Her reply was "To be 60, honey you should play nice. You're damn near death. Have a wonderful day!" and then blocked me. First time block but a lifetime of laughs (of course since I am apparently near death perhaps not so many LOL).

Sometimes these Babies say preposterous things and we all want to blast them with some insult and say "get real ". It rarely has worked out well for me. My answer is usually "Honey, you look like you should ask more than that but I can only afford X. I'd love to see you if you decide to see a guy who will show you a good time. Sometimes it works, most of the time not.

[FredMoore]

So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!

Should I have done it differently? Now in hindsight, I am thinking that I should have added something like "if you change your mind" or something to that effect. This seems like a slightly different scenario than where they say "no sex the first time we meet" which seems to be code for "I need to see if I am repulsed by you before I will decide if I will f*ck you". So what is the advice of my more experienced brethren as to women who say "no sex ever" (either on their profile or in an email). This one was hot enough that perhaps some effort could have been worthwhile. Yes, I know there are a ton of other fish. Just curious, and want to maximize my potentials.

Norm!

I have an alternate theory which I encountered last month. Some of the Newbie SBs do not want to be thought of (or think of themselves) as an escort so they say "no sex" so that we won't demand sex right away. This doesn't necessarily mean that they won't ever give it up-even on that 1st date. As JL said they might be inundated with guys who are looking for a hooker and want to discourage them from bothering her.

A recent M&G with an 18 yr old went that way. We met at an upscale restaurant and were discussing date # 2 which I wanted in the FC. She said that she had to feel comfortable and sex would not happen on date #2 ,but maybe later on if she felt a connection . The only connection I was looking for was a pelvic one . If you have the patience to date these girls a few times and take your time you might get a prized Nooobie. I don't have the time, patience, or money to court for awhile.

And some are just out for free money and never intend to give it up.

[Member #5570]

Any one uses this site? I find their search function lacking and how do you identify new babies?

[Rouleur]

Impossible to execute with that particular one, because once you say "good luck", it is most likely going to be interpreted as "nice knowing you", even if it was intended with politeness instead of sarcasm. All you can do there is keep it in mind as a future tactic.

She might have been having a tantrum as immature girls often do, but what's amazingly fun and unpredictable about this entire sport is the sheer volatility of women in general -- one minute they can be wagging a fingernail in your face telling you what a greedy self-righteous prick you are, and an hour later be straddling your cock and telling you how they wanted to fuck you the first time they laid eyes on you. Logic does not apply with them. Most of them are turned on by greedy self-righteous pricks, they just don't know it yet.

But in terms of spending a wad on dinner and drinks and coming up with nothing -- it could happen. But think of it a little like going fishing. If you go to a fully stocked pond where there are lots of huge, starved fish that jump out of the water onto your hook before you even get settled, would you go home satisfied? Part of the joy is casting the bait and figuring out what works. Go to Long John Silvers or Captain the's (escorts and UTRS) when you want lots of fish cheap. The rest is all about the joy of the challenge of doing it old school and the thrill of the chase.

I am at this very moment, engaged in a chat with a 22 year old SB that seems to be more Pro than SB. She started off by addressing me as "Hun" , which for me starts the red lights flashing, and then she jumped to the subject of a date right now, tonight. Without any prodding or questions from me she told me everything is on the menu except Anal and BB. Just for fun I ignored her statement about what isn't on the menu and asked how many extra roses for anal, BB and BBFSCIM. She went from "not on the menu" to " $$ extra for those items" in one line of chat. I told her not tonight but perhaps another time and she has quickly said bye and I assume went to the next Man showing as online.

[JZLizard]

Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm!

Impossible to execute with that particular one, because once you say "good luck", it is most likely going to be interpreted as "nice knowing you", even if it was intended with politeness instead of sarcasm. All you can do there is keep it in mind as a future tactic.

She might have been having a tantrum as immature girls often do, but what's amazingly fun and unpredictable about this entire sport is the sheer volatility of women in general -- one minute they can be wagging a fingernail in your face telling you what a greedy self-righteous prick you are, and an hour later be straddling your cock and telling you how they wanted to fuck you the first time they laid eyes on you. Logic does not apply with them. Most of them are turned on by greedy self-righteous pricks, they just don't know it yet.

But in terms of spending a wad on dinner and drinks and coming up with nothing -- it could happen. But think of it a little like going fishing. If you go to a fully stocked pond where there are lots of huge, starved fish that jump out of the water onto your hook before you even get settled, would you go home satisfied? Part of the joy is casting the bait and figuring out what works. Go to Long John Silvers or Captain the's (escorts and UTRS) when you want lots of fish cheap. The rest is all about the joy of the challenge of doing it old school and the thrill of the chase.

[VaSD1]

Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm!

I had an experience today with a girl on SA. Her profile says she is a model type and her financial expectation is High (23 why / o). Her pic is a rear view on the beach in a bikini. Sent her a message saying "Honey, from the waist up you may be model material but from there down not so much. " because her ass is nice but a bit wide for a true model and the proportions of her thighs / knees / calves are more linear than shapely. Told her the financial expectations didn't match up with the look. Her reply was "To be 60, honey you should play nice. You're damn near death. Have a wonderful day!" and then blocked me. First time block but a lifetime of laughs (of course since I am apparently near death perhaps not so many LOL).

[VaSD1]

Met my 44 y / o (I know some you have wisely advised my standards are not up to snuff on the age parameters but this was already arranged so I followed through). I am staying at a nice RCO hotel and she met me there for a drink and then we had a nice dinner at a local pub. She is a newbie (to the SD / SB scene) and was obviously nervous. By the time we walked back to the hotel and up to the room she was opening up. Two hours later I put her in her car and by then I think she was borderline in love. I paid for her valet parking and sent her on her way. No other gift was offered. A very pleasant tryst and in my pre-SD days would be interested in a few more rounds but now I am more interested in some younger talent based on my fellow SD postings. I have one more night here and will meeting a 33 why / o blonde tomorrow night (at least the age trajectory is going in the right direction) to round out my trip. Will report. Happy sugaring!

[Norm Gerd]

When I am on the prowl for SBs, I rarely have time to properly feel these situations out, but a couple of times I have, and found that some of these girls that say they "aren't looking for a sexual relationship" are really saying that they are looking for more or less a boyfriend with high income, in which case they really mean they are trying to weed out the married guys that want a UTR hookup in a hotel room. Then again maybe there is another category of women that really expect money just for showing up at dinner or whatever, or maybe some of them just haven't completely warmed up to the idea. What I would do is just ask her to describe her ideal situation. Ask her point blank "what are you looking for, really". There's also a chance she hasn't really thought about it in enough depth -- she may have just signed up with dreams of being a princess that's showered with money and gifts just for being who she is. Some of these girls have an unrealistically inflated opinion of themselves and what they deserve. Never know until you ask.

Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm!

[JZLizard]

So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!

When I am on the prowl for SBs, I rarely have time to properly feel these situations out, but a couple of times I have, and found that some of these girls that say they "aren't looking for a sexual relationship" are really saying that they are looking for more or less a boyfriend with high income, in which case they really mean they are trying to weed out the married guys that want a UTR hookup in a hotel room. Then again maybe there is another category of women that really expect money just for showing up at dinner or whatever, or maybe some of them just haven't completely warmed up to the idea. What I would do is just ask her to describe her ideal situation. Ask her point blank "what are you looking for, really". There's also a chance she hasn't really thought about it in enough depth -- she may have just signed up with dreams of being a princess that's showered with money and gifts just for being who she is. Some of these girls have an unrealistically inflated opinion of themselves and what they deserve. Never know until you ask.

[SlowMo]

Gents,

On a more positive side, I had a drink date with young gal #3. We met at a nearby furniture store and headed over for drinks. Very pretty girl, shy, obviously new at this. I didn't think she was interested at the end of the date when she offered to split the bill, and then extended her hand when we parted even though I hugged her when we met. But she confirmed her desire to press on via email. Real green I suspect. Unfortunately, she's not opened to meeting at her place. I just let her know that our next date needs to be physical. We'll see how she reacts. She's fun enough to be around, but we're not doing this to meet new friends, right? I'm starting to see why you vets don't waste any time.

Had a second date with SB #3. She showed up on time for a massage I booked. I needed it and she had never had one. For lack of a better place, we had a long discussion in my car afterward, parked on the street, not ideal. Great conversation, very smart girl. She was super passive until I suggested that perhaps she's too shy and not cut out for this. She claims not to have had a SD before. That quickly led to a BJ with me fingering her. She's really well put together. So great evening overall. Then this morning I get an email from her that I helped her figure out what she wants and this ain't it. Arrrrggghh. I'm seeing if anything can be done, but that looks done. Go ahead, make fun of the performance.

Back to the drawing board.

SM.

[Norm Gerd]

So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!

Should I have done it differently? Now in hindsight, I am thinking that I should have added something like "if you change your mind" or something to that effect. This seems like a slightly different scenario than where they say "no sex the first time we meet" which seems to be code for "I need to see if I am repulsed by you before I will decide if I will f*ck you". So what is the advice of my more experienced brethren as to women who say "no sex ever" (either on their profile or in an email). This one was hot enough that perhaps some effort could have been worthwhile. Yes, I know there are a ton of other fish. Just curious, and want to maximize my potentials.

Norm!