"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

The younger generations grew up with easy access to porn (so easy that it would be hard for them to get away with it), whereas there was a time decades back when I can remember having to literally teach girls how to give a BJ because they had never seen it done, as in never saw a porno apparently (there is an iconic scene in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that some of you might remember where Phoebe Cates is showing Jennifer Jason Leigh how to do it using a carrot at the lunch table -- it wasn't that far off from the reality of the day).

This access to porn has really changed things -- for better in some ways and worse in others. Good in the sense that there is a tremendous amount of sexual experimentation, freedom, and efficiency of hookup thanks to the Internet. On the other hand, I've met girls that literally learned what they know about sex from watching porn, so they try to re-enact what porn stars do (spitting, making gagging noises while sucking, etc.). While I admire the activities themselves, I really wish some of these ladies would be themselves sexually and focus on what really turns them on rather than trying to imitate something they've seen in fictitious porn films. Ever notice how everyone's a "squirter" these days? Most of these girls don't know the difference between true squirting and "gushing" (essentially pissing). They don't realize that professional porn stars have to practice this, often using the insertion of water in order to give the impression of a massive "splash" orgasm. Yes some girls let their bladder go during orgasm, but true female ejaculant as recorded by medical science is pretty much never like that. But, these girls don't care, they've seen lots of porn with "squirters" that are spraying about a half pint of water so they think they need to keep up and be a squirter too.

Like I said, there is good and bad to this kind of changing times. Sometimes I look at the clothes women wore back in the '80's, like jeans that really revealed their shape and gave us a good idea what their ass would look like once you peeled the jeans off. Then sometime around the mid 90's they started coming out with low hip hugging jeans that basically make every girls ass look kind of flat and square shaped. Makes it harder to know who you really want sitting on your face and who you don't. Then there's the whole tattoo thing -- in modest amounts there was a time the right tattoo on the right woman was kind of sexy, but when every whale you see at Walmart is all inked up it sort of takes some of the mystique and allure out of it I think.

But, you're right. There are really no good and bad girls anymore. They're pretty much all "bad" now but in a "good" way, depending on one's perspective and position in life I guess.

I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.

[JZLizard]

It is a different world now for us older guys when there were just " good girls " and " bad girls " . The covers of Cosmopolitan magazine are a good indicator of today's mindset, always articles on how you can " blow his mind " , " be his best ever " etc. Etc. , but you get the drift these young ladies (I think their target demographic may be too young to even be legal) are taught from a young age that their value is based on their sexual attractiveness / sexual prowess. They are well aware of their sexuality, and have amazing skills and willingness to experiment.

The younger generations grew up with easy access to porn (so easy that it would be hard for them to get away with it), whereas there was a time decades back when I can remember having to literally teach girls how to give a BJ because they had never seen it done, as in never saw a porno apparently (there is an iconic scene in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that some of you might remember where Phoebe Cates is showing Jennifer Jason Leigh how to do it using a carrot at the lunch table -- it wasn't that far off from the reality of the day).

This access to porn has really changed things -- for better in some ways and worse in others. Good in the sense that there is a tremendous amount of sexual experimentation, freedom, and efficiency of hookup thanks to the Internet. On the other hand, I've met girls that literally learned what they know about sex from watching porn, so they try to re-enact what porn stars do (spitting, making gagging noises while sucking, etc.). While I admire the activities themselves, I really wish some of these ladies would be themselves sexually and focus on what really turns them on rather than trying to imitate something they've seen in fictitious porn films. Ever notice how everyone's a "squirter" these days? Most of these girls don't know the difference between true squirting and "gushing" (essentially pissing). They don't realize that professional porn stars have to practice this, often using the insertion of water in order to give the impression of a massive "splash" orgasm. Yes some girls let their bladder go during orgasm, but true female ejaculant as recorded by medical science is pretty much never like that. But, these girls don't care, they've seen lots of porn with "squirters" that are spraying about a half pint of water so they think they need to keep up and be a squirter too.

Like I said, there is good and bad to this kind of changing times. Sometimes I look at the clothes women wore back in the '80's, like jeans that really revealed their shape and gave us a good idea what their ass would look like once you peeled the jeans off. Then sometime around the mid 90's they started coming out with low hip hugging jeans that basically make every girls ass look kind of flat and square shaped. Makes it harder to know who you really want sitting on your face and who you don't. Then there's the whole tattoo thing -- in modest amounts there was a time the right tattoo on the right woman was kind of sexy, but when every whale you see at Walmart is all inked up it sort of takes some of the mystique and allure out of it I think.

But, you're right. There are really no good and bad girls anymore. They're pretty much all "bad" now but in a "good" way, depending on one's perspective and position in life I guess.

[JoeBlowDC]

You are the man!!

I got bored so I sent a follow up message to maybe 20 girls. First this.

"I guess I wasn't offering enough $. But I am a giver. ".

They are slowly responding back. Everything from I need $800 to some general form of conversation.

Then I sent them this.

"Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real chemistry. I have an understanding and giving nature and years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?"

I got 1 M&G so far.

[EasyGoingJ]

I've been on SA off and on for the last 5-6 years, I've received some views, mail and been " favorited " by a few cute college types in the last couple of weeks. So I am wondering if anyone has current experience in the Charlottesville SA bowl. I'd like to know if they are flakes or fakes before I renew my premium membership. Any info, good or bad, would be appreciated. I can reciprocate with some background, and more if I join.

I have a SO, so I need a girl who (once trust has been established) would be glad to have me stop by her place mid day during the week. Hard to find, but I've had it before and I hope to be able to find it again.

[Dandy Don]

Ok, S. O. And company out of town for about 5 days coming up. Last time, I pinned all my hopes on my original SB and came up pretty much empty. So this time, I have cast a large net. I have been chatting up now a total of 4 girls. The first one I mentioned before and is my main focus but he seems almost TGTBT. Young, very pretty, and her body is my type 100%. We have a date scheduled and I am about 50% confident it will happen although some convos she seems really interested in me and others not so much. She hasn't mentioned dollars at all and seems like she is in this as much for an escape from her home life as much as anything else.

I have another date scheduled with another girl, who is actually pretty similar to pot #1, young, fit and pretty. However, she seems a little more unstable in both mood and current situation. She also runs hot and cold. In our first conversation, she told me unprompted that she loves older men, loves sex, and so why not meet older guys and have sex. She also talked dollar expectations which were not unreasonable. Then a week later she is questioning my motives with her and am I after sex and not to expect that from her. I haven't mentioned sex once to her so it kind of caught me off guard. So I silent on her and now she is all fun, fun, joy, joy and seems real eager to meet. Not sure if this a game, or just a little nutty. But since she is young, fit, and pretty, I am going to role the dice.

The other two, I met off WYP, which I am new to. One is young, fit, and decent but hasn't chatted much so I don't have a read. She did suggest we meet kind of spur of the moment so I think she is sincere but I couldn't do it and suggested a later date and still waiting to hear back. Not sure on this one but she seems like a little bit of a wild child, so I will play it out.

The fourth has been very chatter, appears very eager and a lot of sex talk. She is young, nice face, but not fit so still debating on where to go with this one. I won't pursue unless 1, 2, and 3 fall through.

As far as meeting place. There is never going to be a perfect spot, be it a parking lot, mall, restaurant. It all comes down to the level of risk you are willing to engage in.

[HollywoodGuy]

I got bored so I sent a follow up message to maybe 20 girls. First this.

"I guess I wasn't offering enough $. But I am a giver. ".

They are slowly responding back. Everything from I need $800 to some general form of conversation.

Then I sent them this.

"Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real chemistry. I have an understanding and giving nature and years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?"

I got 1 M&G so far.

[JZLizard]

As a guy who has endured 100's of hours of sales training I loved this.

Just remember to watchout for redheads, strippers, girls named tiffany. Oh yeah and hair dressers. LOL.

[Rome400]

I only had to read that far to know you were in the danger zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yj-ZNi9DI

Run.

As a guy who has endured 100's of hours of sales training I loved this.

[EasyGoingJ]

Keep in mind that less than 5% of young college age girls would consider this lifestyle. In fact, they are grossed out by some "old" guy thinking about fucking them. They call us creepers. I agree they are out there trying to attract the guys attention, but usually age appropriate and in a look don't touch mode. How do I know this? I have a daughter, nieces and all their friends who talk about it amongst themselves. I am a fly on the wall listening to it laughing inside. I remember seeing a survey in some news article about SA a few years ago about what colleges have the highest participation rate with SA. Georgia was high on the list and I think the rate was 5% .

It is a different world now for us older guys when there were just " good girls " and " bad girls " . The covers of Cosmopolitan magazine are a good indicator of today's mindset, always articles on how you can " blow his mind " , " be his best ever " etc. Etc. , but you get the drift these young ladies (I think their target demographic may be too young to even be legal) are taught from a young age that their value is based on their sexual attractiveness / sexual prowess. They are well aware of their sexuality, and have amazing skills and willingness to experiment.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have had cars wrecked and even three complete totals loaning girls my car. Yes the insurance covered it but never again. Once I rented a car for a girl and the car was stolen (not her fault). But still a mess.

[FyrGuy33]

Big Mistake.

Ditto. This is just asking for trouble. Think with the BIG head on this one.

[JZLizard]

Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off.

I only had to read that far to know you were in the danger zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yj-ZNi9DI

Run.

[Dirty Dingus]

So I have been chatting it up with young girls off of SA and it hit me "what if they want to do a meet and greet, where do I take them?

Let's face it 99.9999% of the time the SD is going to be much older than the SB. I thought about dinner but I don't want a waiter constantly coming over and giving us looks like "yeah I know what's going on here".

So, if you were going to met someone who was extremely younger than you are and it's noticeable, where would you meet her?

I have really never had any problems with meeting a hot young college gal at a restaurant. Except for one, I have never had a sugar baby say anything about meeting me in a public place. I did have one gal that didn't want to meet at a restaurant because she said that she was a waitress. She said that anytime an older guy comes in with a young hottie all the waitresses talk about it being a SD / SB hook up. I can't believe that this happens as much as she indicated it did. Plus she didn't even live near to where we were suppose to meet. So who cares what a bunch of air head waitresses / waiters are saying if you don't know any of them?? I found her to be too loopy, so I never met her.

[Rouleur]

Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off. I don't think she is, but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I stopped her then and told her we probably shouldn't continue doing that until we had something figured out. She agreed and we made tentative plans to meet in a couple of days.

I get a text from her early tonight asking if I can help her out. She needs a rental car for a 24 hour period sometime next week. She says the car will cost her $225 and wonders if I can help her with it. Turns out she doesn't have a CC so probably needs me to rent it. I looked online and rental cars for that day only cost $50. I'm trying to figure out a way I could rent that car for her for $50 in exchange for some fun this weekend with her. I obviously don't want to put the rental in my name because lord knows what she will do with it. Any thoughts on getting her a pre-paid card and renting it? She says she does have a debit card.

Would love any thoughts.

Because it will be just the first drop of a storm of shit if you help that girl. This is one that you need to drop and walk away. Cancel that. Run for your Fkning life!

[Ltnric]

Don't do it.