"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

How long have you been communicating with her? I have picked a couple of girls up at their place and gone out for lunch or something if they didn't have transportation, but the only time I've ever been straight to the apartment the girl was UTR or an outright pro. A girl towards the SB end of the spectrum is probably going to be more nervous about it than you. I would maybe do it, but I would be very alert and I wouldn't expect wide-eyed innocence from her.

[GeorgeRichmond]

How safe it is to meet at SBs place? Lets say SB is staying in apt. She says, it is ok to come to her place. ! Is it safe? First time.

[Colgado]

So one of my longer term friends arranged for a girlfriend to pick her up after we got together last week. When we finished she starts texting immediately and then makes a comment when I climb out of the shower about how she will be there shortly if I want to wait and meet. I took a pass on that but it seemed odd for her, being a married woman and all. So this week I get my usual drama call, need $20 for gas yada yada. I don't normally fill the greendots but I have accommodated this one because If I help her out, I just don't pay her when we get together. So after I send the dough, I get a text that she and the friend are at Applebees can I come meet them. I was with my translator so I passed. Today I get another text, and this time she is with her friend asking If I can handle 2 of them. The friend sends me a pic and she is not bad at all.

Of course, my car got totaled (by a lawyer no less) last night and I am leaving town Thursday so I am like going to be a week before I can explore this. Betting she changes her mind but I am like wow. Betting the friend is just like her, shocked by the idea that a man would be nice, so used to guys her age that are not.

Amazing!

You need a sidekick to fill in for you? I am totally free this weekend.

[Beachesnole02]

So one of my longer term friends arranged for a girlfriend to pick her up after we got together last week. When we finished she starts texting immediately and then makes a comment when I climb out of the shower about how she will be there shortly if I want to wait and meet. I took a pass on that but it seemed odd for her, being a married woman and all. So this week I get my usual drama call, need $20 for gas yada yada. I don't normally fill the greendots but I have accommodated this one because If I help her out, I just don't pay her when we get together. So after I send the dough, I get a text that she and the friend are at Applebees can I come meet them. I was with my translator so I passed. Today I get another text, and this time she is with her friend asking If I can handle 2 of them. The friend sends me a pic and she is not bad at all.

Of course, my car got totaled (by a lawyer no less) last night and I am leaving town Thursday so I am like going to be a week before I can explore this. Betting she changes her mind but I am like wow. Betting the friend is just like her, shocked by the idea that a man would be nice, so used to guys her age that are not.

[JZLizard]

Connections.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are times when two of your SBs in a given area might know each other and just not telling you about the connection. I had this happen once, confirmed, and who knows how many times it happened when I didn't know about it.

Two different girls in another town. Both looked hot, so I was chatting with both of them, ended up meeting one of them in person. She mentioned that a friend of hers got her into the SD scene so she decided to try it out. Well later on I find the FB page for the one I did meet, and the other girl (who I never met but was considering setting up a M&G) was on her friends list. Looking at the photos of them together revealed a lot, I got the impression they are both roommate and lovers, and they had to both know they were trading e-mails with the same guy, as I'm sure they compare notes, but yet neither of them ever mentioned the common link to me.

So be careful and be aware that connections between 2 or more SBs you are already talking to is much more likely than you think.

[FredMoore]

This blog has led the way in the Sugar World thanks again to our worthy moderator Literal. Kudos again Brother (or should we say Father) !!

It stinks that SBs can access this oh so public forum, as can LE BTW. We must use PMs more often when being specific about individuals, and be more general with our arrangements and adventures. Obviously the local girls know which ones of us are on the blog if they have followed it for awhile. They have probably connected us to an SA profile. Who knows? Maybe there is a blog out there that is run by SBs where they talk about us in the same way. Perhaps you tech and research savvy guys can hunt that down?

It would be a shame to reduce the value of information on this thread since it is national (international?) and guys in one state can value the information anywhere in the blogosphere. I would not want Hollywood, for example, to go silent about his many lessons and adventures.

I recommend changing details a little bit about the individuals and exact circumstances. Perhaps the SBs won't recpgnize themselves so easily or at least wonder.

[Tjinla2001]

This thread has become famous. I guess I'm lucky I never had the money to go the sugar daddy route. My biggest dilemma with prostitutes is deciding how much extra to tip when bareback full service is provided. Usually it is an additional $60. I don't think sugar baby prostitutes would have much use for a low baller like me.

[JZLizard]

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

(stuff snipped)

Any ideas? What a mess!

I would just go dark at this point Deeds. No contact, nothing. If I'm not mistaken you're one of the few here that does not have an SO at risk here? So in that sense you're in an enviable position. SD'ing is not illegal so I think your angle of taking the sex for cash theory to her family is a bad move. Once you've admitted that to them you've broken the law and they can have you arrested (the girl would probably get arrested too, but my hunch is that her parents are uneducated garbage like her or perhaps just possess the gene for stupid, and thus do not yet realize this).

I don't recommend revenge porn or anything else like this because all of that is a two way street. Clearly she is not as busy a person as you, which means she has more time and motivation to invest in posting pics and info of you all over the web that will still rise to the top of google searches when people search on your name 20 years from now, and you don't want that.

If she does ANYTHING remotely threatening, including badmouthing, posting shit to websites etc. Pay a lawyer to fire a shot over her bow and scare the **** juice out of her. If you have $15 k a month to give a SB, this won't be a stretch for you at all. Remind her of that -- if you have enough money to be an SD you have enough money to crush her relentlessly in civil court, it's just a matter of letting her know you're willing to do that.

[JZLizard]

I try to change some details about my SBs and situations just enough to make it harder to recognize. OTOH revealing your location opens us up to recognition by the very Babies we are talking about. That cat is out of the bag since most of us have shared that info.

Anybody interested in taking this information to a private invitation only Blog? Specifics could be shared there and general info on here.

It is a shame that some guys may curry favor with an SB by ratting out the posters. I had that happen here as well. An SB I was seeing called me out on a comment I made here. I changed my screen name because of it.

I tried moving all of this to a location-agnostic SB / SD forum weeks back, but it didn't seem to have enough support to get attention, and some folks felt it would draw more eyes (I disagree) . Someone sent me a PM with a private website they had set up for this purpose, and I meant to respond to him but the problem is I don't know who he is whereas USASG has been around for a while and the "sugar" scene is really lightweight compared to some of the other topics USASG hosts. Also, usually private forums and blogs do not have the funding to stick around, so you have to be aware that one day the content will probably suddenly disappear, whereas USASG appears to do this as a business complete with sponsors. If it's not funded, nobody is going to be willing to invest the time in moderation long term.

The thread in question is here: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...ew-Topics-Here.

This doesn't do anything to make everything private. However, having an invite-only SD forum doesn't really do anything to prevent SBs from sneaking in. Without a constant stream of new blood and new ideas, invite-only forums tend to become inbred, stale of new ideas, and just fade away over time. Someone would have to recruit the new invites. Where would they come from? Probably here.

However the subject of anonymity is an important one. I say don't reveal too much about yourself to the girl (last name, etc). Always assume she is a nut case and will come back to try to harm your life in some way (even if she's not, it's better to be pre-emptive about this). When we write to share info with other SD brothers, don't reveal too much even in PM about your location, what you do, anything else that could identify you indirectly if the person you're talking to happens to know someone that fits your description.

[Ltnric]

I got an angry text last night from the 18 year old I posted about yesterday. She said she heard I had been writing bad things about her on the internet and told me to fuck myself. I played dumb and said "how do you know I wrote anything," and she said that another Daddy (John?) had told her that she was getting a bad reputation in an online message board on which SD's converse. She also said he used her showing up so late that I left without meeting her a few weeks ago as an example of how she was being portrayed as unreliable. Since I was the only person who had ever been "rude enough to leave me hanging like that" she knew I was the one who posted it.

I don't know whether her "source" told her about this message board specifically. I'd suggest that we brothers keep its existence, and what is written here, within the fraternity and not share it with SB's (or UTR's, as the case may be). Let's be especially careful about sharing things that might get a girl pissed off! Some girls will no doubt find the site, as CuriosIt did, but let's not advertise its existence.

I sent a final text last to say I'd get in touch when I was free to meet (jokingly, of course). I'll share the details if she ever responds. It might be good for a laugh.

Dr. Feelgood.

I also got an angry text from her as well. I tried to change some details but she figured out who I was. Looks like someone did rat us out. I said it wasn't m e at first but then I owned up to it because honestly her actions have clearly upset many of us. I know she will be reading this and to her I just say that the anger she is reading in this board is because at some point you made us feel like shit, made us feel like an ATM and over all were not nice. Which is sad because deep down she is smart and sweet. I think at times her need for money makes her forget that we are people with feelings. Just because we are willing to pay for companionship doesn't mean we don't care. I personally don't hold any ill will against her. I will always think of her as a great person, even though she may not have always made me feel that way and I wish her all the best. And brothers let's me smarter.

[FredMoore]

I try to change some details about my SBs and situations just enough to make it harder to recognize. OTOH revealing your location opens us up to recognition by the very Babies we are talking about. That cat is out of the bag since most of us have shared that info.

Anybody interested in taking this information to a private invitation only Blog? Specifics could be shared there and general info on here.

It is a shame that some guys may curry favor with an SB by ratting out the posters. I had that happen here as well. An SB I was seeing called me out on a comment I made here. I changed my screen name because of it.

[Dsprdo]

I don't know whether her "source" told her about this message board specifically. I'd suggest that we brothers keep its existence, and what is written here, within the fraternity and not share it with SB's (or UTR's, as the case may be).

I can't believe how dumb some guys are. I guess it just shows that guys will say or do anything to curry favor with a hot young thing. I worry sometimes about posting too much detail and having that conversation with a girl I wrote about. The purpose of the site is to provide assistance to each other in the pursuit, but it shouldn't be at the expense of another brother! You are absolutely right doctor.

[FeelGoodMd]

I got an angry text last night from the 18 year old I posted about yesterday. She said she heard I had been writing bad things about her on the internet and told me to fuck myself. I played dumb and said "how do you know I wrote anything," and she said that another Daddy (John?) had told her that she was getting a bad reputation in an online message board on which SD's converse. She also said he used her showing up so late that I left without meeting her a few weeks ago as an example of how she was being portrayed as unreliable. Since I was the only person who had ever been "rude enough to leave me hanging like that" she knew I was the one who posted it.

I don't know whether her "source" told her about this message board specifically. I'd suggest that we brothers keep its existence, and what is written here, within the fraternity and not share it with SB's (or UTR's, as the case may be). Let's be especially careful about sharing things that might get a girl pissed off! Some girls will no doubt find the site, as CuriosIt did, but let's not advertise its existence.

I sent a final text last to say I'd get in touch when I was free to meet (jokingly, of course). I'll share the details if she ever responds. It might be good for a laugh.

Dr. Feelgood.

[FredMoore]

Yeah I was warned not to let things go to deep. The one who proclaimed feelings for me, the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off. Be warned! Another lesson I'm learning the hard way. I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it. A few times, she thought I knew 100% she was seeing other men (which I'm sure she was) and she backed down, like she thought I knew, so oh well. Now I might need to get absolute proof, so I can throw it in her face and have her go away. Any ideas? What a mess!

I agree with Golfcart. Just break it off, tell her you are done, and go silent. Her reaction is way over the line of reasonableness and you need to avoid her. Change phones #s,emails, and if she confronts you IRL tell her you will take legal action if she attempts to cause you harm. Don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk.

Brother,$15 K is another issue you need counselling about (with the brotherhood that is) That is waaaay over the top even for a captain of industry. I certainly couldn't afford that nor would I ever want any woman, even a SO to have that kind of largess. Hell brother, I'll date you for that. I don't know about you, but in the past I got so excited about a successful SB experience that I overdid the expenses, but not to that extent.

Blackmail: I have been blackmailed several times because of money. Many of these girls are desperate and need money. When the gravy train stops then they risk legal ruin by hitting on you. I paid up twice, but we are talking $$ ,not $1000's.

[Golfcart]

This is what happens when we pay too much.

First SB, regular going ballistic on me . . . the sweet 21 yo SB has now turned mad ape shit sour on me cause I tried to break it off . . . . . I treated this girl like a golden angel spending $15,000 plus on her ass over a month . . . . . her mom and dad are out looking for me.

I would say the $15,000 a month no longer coming in has more to do with this than anything else. Paying that rate was asking for trouble. We want to be important to the girls but not that important.

Brothers, when women this age get feelings and then feel rejected, all bets are off.

I still think it's more about the $15,000 in a month than anything else. I could be wrong.

I need to get some real dirt on her and scare her with it.

Brother, you're the victim at this moment. You want the story to remain that way and end that way. You won't be the victim the minute you swing back.

Ignore her. She'll stop bothering you sooner. Pay less next time. There's no advantage being that big of a loss to any girl. That was asking for trouble.