"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FeelGoodMd]

I just had this text conversation with an 18 year old, tall, white, sultry Pot I met through SA. She's curvy but still a flatbelly (absolutely the type I love), and seems intelligent. We met about 3 weeks ago for coffee (kinda surreal, because her 16 year old sister drove her there). We have pretty good chemistry, though there is something reserved about her. I gave her. 2 for gas, and we agreed to meet in the FC today. The delay was caused by my schedule, and her going out of town with her family to visit a sick grandmother.

I texted her periodically every few days, rarely getting a reply or getting a very terse response when she did answer. That was somewhat off-putting, because I do like the interaction with an SB beyond the FC. However, I figured she was busy with family stuff, so I wrote it off. 2 days ago I texted her to confirm that we were still on for today, and when I didn't hear back for 24 hours (now 10+ days without a word from her) I was assuming we weren't getting together because I hadn't heard from her.

This morning, she texts back to say that her grandmother had died and she was in no shape to talk for a while, but that she still wanted to get together today. We agree on a meeting place. Then the convo goes off the rails:

Pot: How much should I expect in return?

Me: I don't want to discuss that in advance. It seems so. Transactional.

Me: It's safe to assume I'll give you more after spending a couple hours together in private than I did after having coffee.

Pot: Well, my last arrangement we would do whatever we were both comfortable with for 500/ h. Anything more that he wants he pays significantly more for.

Me: That's not going to work for me. I'm sorry. My gift is typically (depending on how well the visit goes.

Pot: Those are literal hooker rates.

Me: (name). Sugar babies don't have "rates. " A sugar baby accept gifts from their Daddy.

Me: For me an SD / SB arrangement is about more than just how much money is involved. There is some sort of connection beyond the physical and the finances. It's about emotional support, guidance, advice, chemistry, and a slew of other factors beyond sex and money. No Baby I've been with has even "set a fee" or complained about the gift I gave her. We were with each other for the companionship as well as the sex.

Pot: I've come to expect gifts as very very generous. If that's too much for you I understand.

Me: I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. I hope you are able to grieve her in whatever way you need to.

Me: I also hope you will take a serious look at whether you want to be a Sugar Baby or an escort. What you're doing right now sounds a lot more like the latter.

That was that. No reply from her after that (shockingly). One of the problems I had (other than what I laid out in the texts): she is full of it to say that her last SD gave her $$hr in this market (or he was a complete idiot / sucker). It insults my intelligence that she thought I would believe that. Another was her lack of communication. Not even a "I'm sorry, but granny died and I don't feel like texting. ".

Fortunately, I started seeing a new SB last week (on her 20th birthday) who is almost a carbon copy of that Pot (a little shorter, a couple years older, and light-skinned AA), and I texted her after that exchange and said I had a cancellation in my schedule and I am available this afternoon. She immediately replied with "when and where. " Last week she never asked about money in advance, was genuinely enthusiastic about the sex, seemed disappointed when she had to leave after 3 hours to get to a birthday party her sorority was throwing for her, and texted me multiple thank you's when she discovered how much I had given her ($ in an outside pocket of her purse, and. 5 in a be'day card so she knew they were "separate" gifts). Her only complaint, if you could call it that, was that I was too gentle and she wanted me to leave "marks" next time. Later that night she texted a picture of my card sitting in a prominent place on her dorm room desk (thankfully I have generic handwriting and I didn't sign it. Even with the fake name I gave her).

I have a feeling I am going to enjoy today much better with my new SB than I would have with that Pot.

[Graham111]

I have written previously about this POT. Answered a CL ad, 22 year old And very skittish back in October. But kept engaged through her various drama events. Tried several different approaches to close the deal but other than a quick BJ in May nothing worked. Well at least I was getting somewhere but otherwise no in person contact. She has been broken up with boyfriend and been staying "with friends". So last night get a "I need a place to stay tonight" and some back and forth "what do you expect" Of course I expect you to be appreciative. Well her stunning personality is not her best trait, but it's the tight and wettest puntang I have ever experienced.

Drove her to work this am and now headed out of town. Have no idea if there will be a repeat but at least there was a first time. Keep the faith .

[GeorgeRichmond]

Welcome back scott. This board was missing you. ! One of the pro is back. !

[John G Smith]

Welcome back! I also returned about two months ago after about an 8 month absence. The force is indeed strong in the Bowl that it always seems to pull one back into its gravitational pull.

I look forward to hearing your update. Glad to have one of the original knights back at the round table.

[FredMoore]

Scottie, you're back!! Welcome to the land of the living, or, er,the Loving!

[Dsprdo]

Hello my brothers!

Welcome back! More than one has asked what became of you so I'm sure we all will look forward to your tale. You were among the band that encouraged me to take the plunge, and its good to hear that all is (more or less) well.

[F Scott]

Hello my brothers!

I am glad to be once again among the land of the living. A quick scan of the clubhouse journal shows me many, many new names, a few old familiars, and plenty of exploits to catch up on. I will file a full report in the next few days or so, but suffice it to say that I have been dealing with health, marital and financial stresses, any one of which would have been enough to knock me out for good, but it is a testament to the power of the Bowl that I rallied, got my shit together, and am feeling optimistic about hearing the soft yet unmistakable sound of panties hitting the floor again soon!

For those of you new Brothers who don't know me, welcome and glad to meet you. Hopefully you have learned from the considerable collective wisdom that is contained in these pages, and are enjoying this most woderful and elevated of hobbies. Please keep in mind the injunction of our founder, Literal2, which is "do no harm. " These little fish are gentle creatures, if your are casting to the right ones, and should be treated as such. Banging a battle-weary war horse, no matter how much lipstick she has on, is nothing to brag about, in my opinion. For all my old friends, I hope you have saved me a spot at the table, and want to assure you that I am back from the dead, (almost literally), and am eager to read of your exploits. I have a few interesting anecdotes, but not much in the way of new exploits, except I'm pretty sure I'm a baby-daddy (how's that for a tease? More later).

Peace to you all.

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

HW, I am shocked that you picked a non spinner. I thought that was a no no. Sounds like you had a good workout though.

$3 K / month is about what you need to have a stable of more than 1 or 2 SBs. It is not a hobby for low income guys.

It was a risk that payed off. She was a 9 in bed.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollowood, were the 4 Pros known as such before your dates or were they weeded out through your discovery process? Just curious.

They were all known pros. One knocked my socks off. The rest were below lame.

[DirtyDeeds38]

HW, I am shocked that you picked a non spinner. I thought that was a no no. Sounds like you had a good workout though.

$3 K / month is about what you need to have a stable of more than 1 or 2 SBs. It is not a hobby for low income guys.

I'm not a low income guy myself, but not Donald Trump either. But this hobby can be for any guy really. If you're willing to put in a big effort to reel a girl in, find the ones that will go to the FC for $ $ or below and then move to another a month or so later. For me the biggest expense was going out to eat, hotels and travel. Equaled more then what I was paying any girl. A guy can turn a girl once a month of $300 or so if he plays his cards right. But on average, if you want to play all this hobby has to offer $3 K per month is about right.

The other issue is it's addicting big time! I've never stumbled on anything before that grabbed hold of me like being in the sugar bowl. So even if your a blue collar guy and can spare $500 per month for a few experiences, you're going to want more and more. It's a dangerous game for someone living paycheck to paycheck.

[FredMoore]

HW, I am shocked that you picked a non spinner. I thought that was a no no. Sounds like you had a good workout though.

$3 K / month is about what you need to have a stable of more than 1 or 2 SBs. It is not a hobby for low income guys.

[Rouleur]

142 total dates averaged $.22 per date.

Out of Which.

93 A team dates (3 girls on the team) averaged $.33 per date.

49 dates between 15 other girls averaged $.02 per date. 4 Pros, 3 UTR's and 8 SB's. The Pros got 1 date each.

This includes all expenses (12 notel stays, meals, gifts, etc.) except gas.

I did 15 other M&G's for $$$ total that didn't go to the FC. 3 Pros, 3 UTR's and 9 SB's

So basically 3k a month. There is safety in numbers.

Hollowood, were the 4 Pros known as such before your dates or were they weeded out through your discovery process? Just curious.

[HollywoodGuy]

142 total dates averaged $.22 per date.

Out of Which.

93 A team dates (3 girls on the team) averaged $.33 per date.

49 dates between 15 other girls averaged $.02 per date. 4 Pros, 3 UTR's and 8 SB's. The Pros got 1 date each.

This includes all expenses (12 notel stays, meals, gifts, etc.) except gas.

I did 15 other M&G's for $$$ total that didn't go to the FC. 3 Pros, 3 UTR's and 9 SB's

So basically 3k a month. There is safety in numbers.

[HollywoodGuy]

I messaged this girl yesterday asking her if she was meeting anyone on the site. She turned down my original offer of $ a week earlier. I also mentioned to her that I lived only 10 minutes a way and that it would be easy to meet her.

One message led to another and I took her to lunch today. She seemed nice, very bright, middle class but kinda bold. I go more for the sweet submissive types. Anyway we had a nice lunch and I went for a small kiss as I dropped her off. Very small, but I could sense some possible chemistry and that she was a sexually confident 19 year old. So we agreed to meet Thursday for a 5 hour date at my place.

I get home and an hour later she txt's me that she is free this afternoon for a couple hours. I was a little hesitant as she was a little curvier than my preference, but she was tight, so I said ok. Also the date was only for 2 hours so I figured if it didn't go well I wouldn't be stuck with her all day.

So we get back to my place and I am showing her around, living room, dining room, bedroom. She walks in and immediately started to disrobe. After about 3 minutes of foreplay we just went straight to it. In bed she was a real daddies girl and an awesome kisser (lots of hair pulling, spanking and daddy talk).

After about 20 minutes and a few O's she says she is done and that I don't cum too fast. I acknowledged that and proceeded to bang her for another 20 minutes and her final O. Then it was my turn. She finished me off with some good oral and then we chatted for a few before I took her home.

This might be the first time a girl that turned me down said yes after hitting her back up. Something I usually never do but have started to a couple months ago. I am sure I will see her again.

[RiverCity2011]

Does anyone in Richmond have experience with that older woman on SA called Virginia? She seems out of sorts?