"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I am always looking for that instant chemistry. SB or not. If it's overwhelming, that's usually a good sign. But not a guarantee of future returns. My ATF pictured.

[Mgog1]

Finally dipping my toe into the SD / SB world and looking for a bit of advice. I messaged a SB, she messaged back asking for pics, I sent pics, she says they were good, she asks me what kind of arrangement I'm looking for, I respond with what days I'm typically available and the frequency that I can meet. I told her I would like to meet in person before we agree to any arrangement in order to ensure we are compatible. She responds saying the schedule works and asks what I'm wanting to do with her "like sex or what". Spidey senses tingling. Not sure if this is a normal exchange. Normally I'd be running for the hills as it sounds like LE to me. Not sure how (or if) I should respond? Any advice greatly appreciated.

[DirtyDeeds38]

1) Yes and 2) Yes.

There are a lot of excellent security based discussions in the body of this blog. Many smart guys have detailed exactly how to set up a fake I'd,burner phone, anonymous Credit card, etc. Go to school for a few weeks and you will begin to understand.

Most of us have SOs and have to stay on the down low. The risk is high but somehow exciting. The key to prospering in the SD world is confidence. You have.

Lf assured and take charge. I got more pussy after I finally came out with what I wanted. In a gentle way of course. Girls like to be told what to do and act like there is no alternative answer to the question wheter we are going to sleep together or not.

The last sentence I am learning and learning well. I had a M&G last night with a beautiful true SB, age 21, college all confirmed. She ended the night early, so I struck out. We had texted previously about an almost sure trip to the FC. She balked on me and drove over two hours to meet. Her reason? She felt I was too nice a guy. Literally, she described she had three other arrangements and the other men were right out, up front with wanting sex on the spot. They got sex from her, I went home alone. This might not work for all girls, but I agree with most and after all, we are all playing the odds game here.

In response to the SO and risk, remember this, there is no safety net. Cover your tracks always and cover them well. Way beyond what you think is needed. You don't get a second chance if an error is made and discovery comes out. It's an all or nothing game.

[FredMoore]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

1) Yes and 2) Yes.

There are a lot of excellent security based discussions in the body of this blog. Many smart guys have detailed exactly how to set up a fake I'd,burner phone, anonymous Credit card, etc. Go to school for a few weeks and you will begin to understand.

Most of us have SOs and have to stay on the down low. The risk is high but somehow exciting. The key to prospering in the SD world is confidence. You have.

Lf assured and take charge. I got more pussy after I finally came out with what I wanted. In a gentle way of course. Girls like to be told what to do and act like there is no alternative answer to the question wheter we are going to sleep together or not.

[Beachesnole02]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

YES! It will take you a while but start at the beginning of this thread and read as much as you can. You will find a ton of knowledge about how to lower your risk of complications of doing this.

[John G Smith]

The biggest differentiator and what places them on the ladder is not whether or not they ultimately want money or favors (we can assume they all do regardless of position on the ladder), it's how much (or whether) they discriminate regarding who they will allow to fuck them. If they are willing to fuck someone just because they were referred to them, or even just go to the highest bidder, I'd call that pretty indiscriminate.

Absolutely spot on.

An escort will primarily discriminate based on her perceived safety with you or whether you're LE or not. Otherwise she could care less what you look like, your personality, or whatever. She will meet you sight unseen at her hotel door as long as you have the money.

But sugar babies and even some gold diggers, will reject certain guys if they don't pass a certain threshold with physical attractiveness or personal connection. I've been rejected by some SBs because they didn't find me attractive even though we already came to an agreement on the allowance.

Honestly it's why I like the Sugar Bowl. There's rejection, but it also means when you find a SB, you know they actually find you attractive on some level. I think that's why many of us can report some amazing sex romps and it's why this lifestyle is so addictive. Our money does indeed help significantly tip the scales in our favor to attract young college girls, but there still has to be some strands of attractiveness and connection for a real SB to feel comfortable banging a guy over 2-3 x their age.

And there's definite value in identifying these type of girls. I may not give a UTR or BC girl the same money / privileges I would a SB, but a UTR girl is still way better than an Escort in my book. I saw an escort a couple of times in the last 6 months, and it reminded me just how good we have it with SBs. Yes SBs can be a headache and be time consuming, but the payoff is just worth it tens times over compared to an escort.

[JZLizard]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

I think most SDs are married, the minority who aren't have a serious GF (like me), and the truly single SDs probably make up the remaining 1-2%. Likewise I suspect most SDs are earning a decent living I doubt any of the ones you'll interact with here are truly rich or able to live like money grows on trees.

I generally operate on a real first name but in most cases they never get a chance to know my last name. Beware high-end restaurants where the reservations can give you away or the douchey waiters start calling you "Mister _ based on your reservation name or the name on your credit card. When possible don't let her be within proximity when you check-in to hotels, claim your dinner table etc.

[SlowMo]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

[HappyHunter44]

...that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

Well said. I can always tell when my SO wants something. She makes sure the pussy is extra, extra clean and smelling nice. Rides me like a horse and does that again in 24 hours. I just wait because I know in a day or two she will ask for something. And sure enough, I get a request.

[JZLizard]

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

Maybe I should explain what I meant. A vast majority of male / female relationships can be categorized as some form of the worlds oldest profession, and to me that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

We could take the path of least resistance and just say all women are pros, period, or we could expend a little more intellectual effort to categorize them in a way that more clearly designates what they are doing; I will try to do the latter here.

A true SB is a different level of the above definition than a UTR girl or an escort. Granted, there are a lot of girls who are confused about what they are and apparently an equal level of confusion among SDs regarding the differences, but there are differences. A girl that is strictly chasing cash and will sleep with anyone willing to provide that cash is a pro by even the bottom-rung definition. An escort may not be as careless about her choice of sex partner as a streetwalker, but they are still pretty much open to business for anyone.

On the ladder of the worlds oldest profession, I would say the traditional marriage is at the top of the ladder, streetwalkers are at the bottom of the ladder, escorts / call girls / casino girls are one rung higher up the ladder than streetwalkers, UTR-only girls are a rung higher than escorts, and SBs and gold diggers are a rung higher than UTR girls but still a couple of rungs below the traditional wife.

No doubt some girls will move across different rungs, but in my mind once they've stepped on one of the lower rungs once, they are who they are forever (even if it's their own secret and nobody knows about it).

The biggest differentiator and what places them on the ladder is not whether or not they ultimately want money or favors (we can assume they all do regardless of position on the ladder), it's how much (or whether) they discriminate regarding who they will allow to fuck them. If they are willing to fuck someone just because they were referred to them, or even just go to the highest bidder, I'd call that pretty indiscriminate.

None of this is to say UTRs can't be fun too, but knowing which one you're dealing with would only help interactions with them. I personally would not give the same level of allowance to a UTR that I might give an SB.

[Dsprdo]

Work is finally winding down for the summer so this week my goal was to find one or two new babies to play with for the summer. It has turned out to be a week of highs and lows. I started out the week on Monday with a M&G with true first timer from SD4 M. She is 23, a Midwest girl away from home for school, working as a beverage cart girl at a local golf course. We met for drinks and I felt we had a great connection. WE discussed a wide range of topics and her views on a lot of things in life were similar to mine. She told me I was the first person she had met from the site. I asked if she was interested in moving forward, made my intentions clear, and she said that she felt very comfortable with me. We agreed to meet on Wednesday and take things to the next level. OI walked her to her car and admired her great legs in short shorts and high heels. At the car I got a tremendous kiss, and we talked for a couple more minutes before she left with a smile. I left feeling sure that Wednesday I would be savoring a fresh new sugar baby.

On Tuesday I had already set up a lunchtime date with my newlywed SB. She doesn't have as much time now, so I have to see her when I can. I am keeping her around because we have a good connection, her sugar demands are low, and she has been a great communicator. When she came over I was dismayed to find it was that time for her. One of her lesser talents is oral, so I decided a practice session was in order. She has been working to improve, and so she happily dropped to her knees in front of me. She took direction well, and ultimately completed her task satisfactorily. WE will get her there yet! Later that day my great mood was brought down by a text from by beverage cart baby-conservative Midwestern guilt had set in and she had decided to cancel our meet. I responded with kindness and understanding, and can only hope that she will remember me if she is tempted again by the bowl. She has not been active on SD4 M since, so it either was true guilt or some other lucky guy beat me to the punch.

Wednesday, with my plans for the day gone, I turned to sending out intro letters and mining a couple of responses I had gotten. Soon I was texting with a couple of women, trying to set up dinner for Thursday and Friday night. In an embarrassing mix up, I was quickly double booked for Thursday evening. One of the two was a31 year old fitness instructor with a killer body who suggested a M&G at a very upscale downtown hotel. The second was a29 year old student with extensive tattoos and a love of motorcycles. She was the better communicator of the two, and she had indicated that she didn't necessarily need a set allowance, but instead wanted occasional unspecified help with bills. I made a snap decision to cancel on the fitness instructor and meet tattoo girl instead. I also set up a Friday night dinner with a 25 year old spinner who was brand new on the site.

Thursday morning I texted tattoo girl to confirm our plans. She had always been quick to respond, but this time there was no immediate reply. While I was waiting to see if she had flaked on me, one of my old booty call girls texted to say she had woken up wet and I wasn't there. Determined not to let the day go to waste if tattoo girl was going to no-show, I invited the BC on over. She proved she had missed me with an hour and half of wet sloppy BJs, toy play and sex. My mood was much improved, so I was able to shake off the affects of being stood up.

Friday I texted my new spinner a couple of times to see if we were still on. Her responses were short to the point of being terse, but she assured me we were. I arrived at the restaurant as planned, and sure enough she was right on time. She told me she was nervous, and we went in and got a table. I ordered her a glass of wine, which seemed to calm her. We had a light dinner, and pretty good conversation, though I didn't feel the real connection that I thought I had had with beverage cart girl. After dinner, I walked her to her car, unsure of what was next. At her car I kissed her, and was shocked by the aggressive, hungry return I got. We kissed for a few minutes until I pulled away and suggested we go to her apartment. She pulled back and looked at me for a long moment before simply saying "follow me". Once there, things were awesome. She made so much noise that she had to bite down on her hand during sex. Afterwards she told me she was worried about complaints from the neighbors. We sat on the couch for a while and I soon found myself ready for a second go, which was much faster than my normal reboot time these days.

All in all, it was a great week, even with the disappointments. I have a short summer ahead because of a project coming up in the fall, so I intend to try and burn myself on young SB's between now and then, if such a thing is possible.

[FredMoore]

Sb #1.

Has become very unreliable but she is into me for $$ so want to at least get service for what has been prepaid. I do like her and enjoy the FS for a fair dime. So I'd like to keep her if she can get her shit together.

Pot #1.

Hispanic 20+ yr old. 7/6/? Face and attitude are attractive, but a little heavy for my liking. Will try a M&G and see how values herself. If the price is right then I will give her a try.

Pot #2.

8/8/? WF 23 student. Got a cute face and ass kicking body. I have a M&G for next week. She will be in the $$+ range for a tryout. I think she might be a GPS but looks hotter than ones I have hit on lately.

Pot #3.

Is really Pot #1 in my wish list. She is mid 20's WF and is a 7. 5/8. 5/8 so far. We had to reschedule two M&Gs, one hers and one mine. She comes across as a truly nice, educated girl trying to make her way in life. And she doesn't sound like a GPS. I really hope she works out. Our date is tomorrow night. If she turns out I will drop the other 2 Pots and concentrate on her.

[Graham111]

" So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion" Deeds


2 days and 2 nights with her didn't help. This girl got an advanced course in sex therapy 101. She has a classic case of transference with that intense therapy. Since she is a good performer it is too bad that you can't manage her needs and keep her on the hook.

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

Well we know how this goes. I have the third date with SB15 tonite and getting the vibe she may be a little too enamored with me. Suspended her SD4 M account and tells me "just stay the way you are, you are wonderful). 30 YO so not her first rodeo but a very good fuck and pretty good personality. So we play with fire!. Not sure she picked up on the "Married" description in my profile. What's a guy to do?

[FredMoore]

" So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion" Deeds


2 days and 2 nights with her didn't help. This girl got an advanced course in sex therapy 101. She has a classic case of transference with that intense therapy. Since she is a good performer it is too bad that you can't manage her needs and keep her on the hook.

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

[DirtyDeeds38]

After much convincing of SB#1 20 year old, sweet girl next door type, I went out with her again. We spent two days and nights together. The sex went from "so-so" to almost great. This is the girl who proclaimed feelings for me. The sex was a bit on the kinky side, with a night of cuddling, waking up for more sex and morning sex. We went out to breakfast and dinner the following night and had a few quickies in between. During the night, I would describe the feeling between us as one of a nice connection and closeness, but far from "love" as she later described.

So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion, ecstasy, warmth and kindness from any man. She wants a certifiable relationship, one with no direct sugar involved. The email was much more indepth, but you get the idea. She told her family about me and they want to meet me. Holly hell, I think I'm in trouble. I really did nothing other then treat the girl like I would a true girlfriend. I do not want to meet the family, and I do not want a girlfriend. That aside, if your a human man, it's impossible not to care in some capacity for this girl. But we all know better.

The major blowout letdown email is being typed right now to her. I hope she goes away peacefully. Something tells me she won't.