Thread: "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?
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05-31-14 20:10 #6311
This slender 19 year old pulled a good trick on me. When we got to the FC she said she was on her period. Even had the string dangling to make it look real. Got a nice BBBJ anyway. Not repeating.
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05-31-14 02:42 #6310
Do it
Well, it seems like you're already set on moving on from the current SB sometime soon. So if you do piss of the both of them, then it wouldn't be any bigger loss so I don't see a harm in trying to flip the new POT into your SB. It may be best to try to talk to the new POT privately when you get the chance in person. Be open and talk to her about possibly seeing her regularly and if she'd be open to an arrangement.
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If I was in your situation, here's what I'd do: I'd take the bullet (expense and time) in seeing both together initially, then separately for a couple weeks. Then ask the new one if she'd be willing to continue seeing you even if you were to stop seeing her friend. I'd think that once she's established something with you, it'd be easier for her to continue with you. It'll be up to her to consider the friendship issue. Again, I think the pros far outweigh the cons with this.
Best of luck and keep us posted.
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05-30-14 21:44 #6309
Be Direct
In response to my intro letter.
"Wow! You are definitely a man who knows exactly what you want! I like that! I would enjoy playing. I'll take care of you baby...".
Most likely a utr. But at least you cut to the chase.
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05-30-14 15:23 #6308CL has really started cracking down on the sugar ads, it seems to be especially bad in particular areas (like mine). You *might* be able to get vague and ambiguous ads through, but my experience has been that those ads do not get the responses that make the effort worthwhile. YMMV. Originally Posted by Kirkachoo
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05-30-14 12:36 #6307
Need some advice
Okay, I am relatively new to the whole SB thing, had a profile on SA for a month, met a few girls and currently sticking with one, a 20 year old who is a little thicker than I like but very sexual. I have met here now 3 times (M&G plus two encounters). Pleased with sex so far. In chatting, I mentioned I never had 3 some. She volunteered to find someone and allegedly has someone lined up for next week. I am still a little doubtful she will come thru but she did send me a pic of her friend who is equally young and much more physically to my liking. I quickly matched her friend to a profile on FB, so for her friends sake, I hope she is being truthful about the potential because otherwise, that is pretty crappy to send her pic to a stranger.
So my question is, if this 3 some does indeed happen, how should I approach the new girl into setting up something regular? I don't want to get the original SB pissed but I know at some point after a few more encounters I will want to move on anyway. On the plus side for me, I have already hinted that my resources are not unlimited (trying to plant the idea that if we stop seeing each other, it's because I am tapped out and not bored) and the original SB has transportation issues so she is often dependent on friends shuttling her closer to me. Also, come Summertime, I will have far less alone time to meet. These are my excuses to pull away from original SB in a nice, seemingly natural, and not-my-fault sort of way.
But if this new is hot and fun, what's the best approach in trying to flip to my main regular? I am assuming if she is willing to fuck a stranger in 3 some situation, she would be open to a SB arrangement. Or do I run the risk of making her feel she is screwing over her friend and then get them both pissed at me?
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05-30-14 12:33 #6306
Friday eyecandy
Thought I would share my M&G that went right to FC yesterday. 23, college student living with her boyfriend, way cuter than I was expecting her face was blocked in her pictures. Summer term ran out of cash after paying for text books so I spotted her a benji
. Said we did 3 positions she had never even thought of that were "fantastic" I agree, they were.
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05-30-14 11:30 #6305
Pot city
Potentials that is. I have 1 regular and 6 pots I'm working. My problem is I do not have enough time or money to work them correctly. My funds are being monitored so my play money is locked down.
FB #1 is a full blown Nando 1 now . She was always independent until recently when she got in trouble and went dark. She did resurface but is constantly calling for money. Rent due, car busted, you name it . She is into me for $$ so I don't want to give up on her but I might have to write it off. She is a great spinner FB -ideal for my purposes now, short and sweet. Appointment today but haven't heard back, so I need to jump on one of my newbies if I know she isn't coming. . If she flakes I guess I will give it up and move on. The caretaker in me wants to bail her out but it is not to be . I can not take on her endless problems . Sugaring is supposed to be about easy,uncomplicated NSA activity ,right ? Not drams and problems . We have enough of that in real life .
Pot #1.
26 yr old Blue / blonde spinner wrote off SA. SHe wanted a date since she is in a hotel and trying to fill slots and pay for the tel. She might be an UTR but says not. Can't meet her when she is available but is open to a meet nearby city. $$ plus room for her.
Pots # 2 _6.
5 pots are all 18 to 25 7-8/8-9/ They are all desperate for $ and asking a lot. I stuck with my number per Hollywood and all are willing to meet. Now I have to find the time. They are all working the SA site and I'm sure are filling holes (literally) while I am waiting. Such is life in the Bowl.
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05-30-14 10:59 #6304
Out of town SB
Others have reported success with finding out of town girls when traveling on business. I travel a lot and have never really had any luck, generall because I'm so busy that I don't have any time to put in on it when I'm away for work. I have a week long trip coming up to a smaller city wheere I used to live. I have a few days of meetings and then I'm planning a long weekend golfing with some of my friends from the area. Since I'll have more time on my hands this trip I decided to give it another try. I sent out about 10 letters to likely candidates. So far I've gotten two responses.
The first was from a very cute spinner. She asked for a pic which I've sent. No reply so maybe I wasn't her cup of tea. I've sent her a follow up.
The second, and much more interesting, was from a girl who is obviously not new to this concept. Her profile talks about her love of travel and willingness to fly out to meet. She also says that she is looking for a dominant male. In my letter to her I explained that I would be in town for a week and would like to meet, and if we connect that I would certainly have her out to visit when I come back home. I also asked how dominant she wanted me to be. Her response: "very...I want to be a naughty little girl for you". She sent me a pic that was kind of revealing, but it was from her profile. I thanked her but pointed out I needed one that was just for me, and instructed her to take one over the weekend and send it to me. We'll see how submissive she is. I told her my schedule for the week and she said she would make herself available for me.
She may be an UTR girl, but I am going to play with her nonetheless! I hope to line up at least one more with good potential and be able to report back with a road win soon.
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05-30-14 10:22 #6303
Flaked, what a waste
Damn, my 26 why / o POT flaked on the second date and has gone radio silent after we agreed to a third date. The M&G first date was real nice and she was all touchy-feely. A couple days later we met in the daytime and got as far as her place. She got "comfortable" lounging around with only a tee shirt but changed her mind all of a sudden and said had to cut the date short and had some stuff to do, but promised to meet again in a couple of days. So now she flakes on me again, not answering texts, etc. Oh well, such is the sugar life. I know she could use the money so it is a lose-lose situation. This was a first time SB and either she decided it wasn't for her, or there was someone else in her civvy dating life or something. We had a big age gap but that didn't seem to bother her. Sad that there was such great FC potential...she had a killer body and nice personality. I had high hopes but you put the hopes aside and cut losses, and move on. I think it's a good thing to remember that we don't want to get too emotionally involved especially in the early going. It's easy to get "involved" and you have to poke yourself with a sharp stick every now and again to bring back reality.
Meanwhile I have let my paid subscription run out of SA and SD4 M and just hanging on SDT and WYP (which has nothing in my area). I still have my SB that I've been seeing for a while but it is going stale, and it is getting like "married sex".
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05-30-14 10:18 #6302As still being relatively new to the SB world, I've put some time into reading many blogs and reports on this hobby in various places. One trend sweeping the SB world is serial "M&G" girls who have no intentions of being intimate. They play a game and make the guy feel he must prove his worth by taking her out and starting an allowance just for being willing to meet with him. To counter this trend, men are encouraged to state something like, "we can go out and date, for drinks, dinner all you want, but I do not start allowances until intimacy begins." You can also reference the trend I described as a reason. Tell them you have your methods for weeding out the fakes and so do I. Originally Posted by JeezLizard
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I have began telling all the girls I correspond with early on and so far most respect it, some cut off communication.
I don't care how attractive, nice and sexy any girl is, this hobby is about action. If she is not willing and has no intention of being sexual, then it's a total waste of time. Even though we don't pay for sex, it is expected in a relationship. And there are way, way too many willing girls to play that game.
I would say most of the girls that I send out what I expect and looking for and how much I will pay per visit are appreciative of me being right up front.
The first girl I went for drinks with, I dropped $300 on her for showing up and the second $200. They both told me later they had to "get to know me more before intimacy was on the table." So I went home and did my homework and wrote up a standard email and began weeding out these types.
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05-30-14 09:20 #6301This would be my response: Originally Posted by Dsprdo
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"Assuming your pics are real, we could do the 5-s model for an all-nighter or if you don't need the fingerprint sensor and the faster processor we could do the 5 C for a 2 hour romp with you and one of your hot friends".
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05-30-14 04:08 #6300Being the direct approach type of guy I am this is exactly the type (one of the types) of profiles I respond to. I make my offer of $ and let them know we are going to have sex on the first date but it doesn't have to include intercourse. 50% do it anyway and the other 50% I either have to charm or drop depending on their attitude before the second date. Originally Posted by Dsprdo
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Sometimes I just tell them I am cool with "outercourse" on a first date. Girls love that word. Always puts a smile on their face, because they know you didn't just make it up on the spot, meaning you are a gentleman. Which automatically gets you laid a good # of times in spite of the fact (but really because of it) that you just told them you don"t need to. Girls actually crave casual sex, they just don't believe most guys are capable of it, especially in a SD/SB encounter.
I just talked to a POT that says a guy gave her 1k on the first date and then tried to glom onto her immediately thereafter. The result was she won't see him again. A lose lose situation. He doesn't get any pussy and she doesn't get any money. But the pressure of clingyness was too much for her. She was bummed out, but backed into a corner. I told her married SD's would be the better option for her. And being the gentleman I am and listening to her stories and offering to help fix her profile, she said lets just meet and forget the sugar. Will it lead to the FC?. I doubt it, but after reading this thread I know anything is possible.
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05-30-14 02:11 #6299
What do you think about this statement?
Actual profile statement:
"I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know what you are expecting / wanting if we do meet. You need to catch my eye and have something that is exciting or a real gentleman even if it's just for a few meets. ".
Background: Super hot 19 yo, profile is a month old.
I read this as " "I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know how much you are going to pay me and what's the least I have to do to get it if we do meet. You need to outbid everyone else or not expect sex even if it's just for a few meets. ".
Am I wrong?
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05-29-14 23:33 #6298
No Sex SBs
What JeezLizard said is pretty much spot on. I'll just relay an experience I had the other day.
I was exchanging emails with this 18 year-old Asian from CL. She said she was a nursing student but after a little detective work, I found out she was still in high school. Thankfully she was already 18 by a few months (always do your due diligence guys). Anyway in the initial messages she said she was not looking for an arrangement that involved sex. She wanted an allowance just for hanging out. We exchanged pictures and talked a bit, and then pretty soon she was "open" to having a physical relationship at some point. I explained that we can hang out and I'll buy her dinner, but I wouldn't give an allowance until the arrangement was "consummated". I said I would be glad to take things slow and wait until she was comfortable with me, but the sugar wouldn't flow until I got sugar. Later on the day she wanted to do a M&G, but she mentioned how she needed to be really discrete and had limited time. This meant I would have to pick her up and then drive somewhere far for the M&G. This wasn't really appealing to either of us and I got a sense that she really wanted some money in her pocket now. So I casually brought up if we just got things started right away and I would give her the allowance right away. She became receptive to this and before long we were talking about how she was going to swallow my load in the back seat of my car. This whole progression happened over just a 24 hour period. We didn't meet that night because she can only get out late and she lives close to a hour away, so it would require more prep work on my part to see her. But I'm planning to see her this Friday.
A few observations:
- I can tell she uses the "No Sex" proclamation to scare off weirdos and also to try to score an easy paid date with minimal work. Remember quite a few of these girls have boyfriends, so some of them especially the younger ones, think it's not cheating having a sugar daddy as long as they don't have sex. At least that's their initial justification to dip their toes into the Bowl.
- Once she saw my pictures, she dropped her "No Sex" clause. So I met a certain attractiveness threshold for her to consider sleeping with me. Then it was just a matter of money and making her feel at ease.
- She still lives at home, has no car, tight schedule, and needs to be discrete. If you encounter a girl in a similar situation, then you're actually in the advantage because she will have limited options in terms of SDs. This Asian girl is drop-dead cute and would probably be commanding 3 x the allowance I offered her if she was in LA. But with her situation, I'm able to get her now because most guys wouldn't be able to jump through the hoops she requires. I think that's why she changed her mind about sex pretty quickly once I appeared acceptable to her.
Yes it's annoying seeing "Platonic Only" and "No Sex" SBs on profiles and such. But use it to your advantage to fish in less crowded waters. Girls who mention they don't want sex often have a much lower response rate from guys, so there's less competition. It still might not work out, but if you think the girl is appealing enough then sometimes it's worth the gamble. In my case, it's so hard to find cute 18-22 year-old Asian girls who aren't asking for ridiculous allowances or who are willing to date a married SD. So I took the chance and it seems like the gamble may pay off. She feels more like a BC girl, but I'm not complaining.
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05-29-14 21:51 #6297
CL ads getting flagged all the time
I am trying to get into the game but I need some tips. How do you make a CL ad that don't get flagged straight off the bat? Or even at all? Certainly I want to post looking for a SB but just can't get to get it past the CL filters advice will be appreciated. Thanks! I also created a SDT page but I have heard of some success stories on CL as well so I am willing to give it a try.
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