"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-12-14 22:38

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.

**JZLizard** · 05-12-14 19:28

My approach to organizing them is mostly e-mail based until they become someone I will likely meet (or that I'm really interested in meeting if I'm in their city), then I basically "open a file on them" for lack of better term, where they have their own folder within a hierarchy that contains everything I have on them.

For example, in my e-mail client I have topmost folders with the four digit year number, then under each year, the name of each city, but usually the city represents some general 50-100 mile radius (I.e. I would not have Alexandria VA and Bethesda MD each with their separate folders, but rather just a folder called DC Area). I can usually stop at that level of detail for email, simply dragging any mails from the girl into the appropriate folder (it's easy enough to group all the ones from a single person together if I'm looking for all mails from a particular girl). I do that only with incoming mail (no need for sent mail).

However once they become a true POT (I'm planning to meet them) I start saving everything I have on them to a folder on my hard disk that is also organized by year / city but also has a folder for her particular name. I take screenshots of her profile so I can see how she represented herself at the time I met her (I.e. If she says she's slim bodied and later changes it to average or a few lbs or something after the fact, I'm going to know, and yes I do verify any changes to their profile before I meet them to compare). I save all pictures, both anything she put on the site as well as anything she might have emailed me. Any special notes on her go in there too like a link to her facebook or whatever.

That's about as far as I have to take it, because I usually don't end up with more than 20 real POTS requiring detail in any given city for a given year since my season is only one month. If I ever become a year round SD my whole methodology would change, because I would be focusing on girls that are geographically closer by (so organization by city would not be as helpful). Then again, if I weren't already in a committed relationship I would probably be doing about 70% civy dating and 30% sugar daddying, so not sure how the methodology would evolve.

Oh and I should mention, nobody uses my computer but me. I lock it when I'm away from my desk for any length of time. I don't let my GF get into my phone either, but I use Hushed for the SBs and keep it passcode protected. I have a iPhone 5S so it requires my fingerprint to get into the primary phone screen. The Hushed passcode is an extra layer of protection really and to keep the phone calls and text off my main number and onto a disposable number.

**Dolato** · 05-12-14 18:15

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Try using excel.

Something like this. I like to go in order by phone #... Add columns as needed. Pretty basic time saver.

profile.name real.name # age race city email

If you're playing the numbers game, you have to be organized. When you're handling multiple POTs and trying to set up several M&Gs then you it's nice to have a spreadsheet with all the info.

I also include a column for misc personal info such as if they're married or have kids and another column with the link to their profile.

Depending on what email service you use, Outlook and Gmail has a cloud service with spreadsheets that you can save / maintain off your computer. For those that need to be discrete.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-12-14 16:30

Originally Posted by SkinJr [View Original Post]

Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.

I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.

Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.

I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.

I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.

This sd role is too much work to keep track of.

Skin.

Try using excel.

Something like this. I like to go in order by phone #... Add columns as needed. Pretty basic time saver.

profile.name real.name # age race city email

Profile name 1 barbie 111-111-2222 18 black city email address.

Profile name 2 barbie 111-111-2223 19 latina city email address.

Profile name 3 barbie 111-111-2224 20 asian city email address.

Profile name 4 barbie 111-111-2225 21 white city email address.

Profile name 5 barbie 111-111-2226 22 mixed city email address.

Profile name 6 barbie 111-111-2227 23 white city email address.

**JZLizard** · 05-12-14 16:08

Originally Posted by SkinJr [View Original Post]

This sd role is too much work to keep track of.

It can be extremely exhausting to get good results. Thankfully it's a once a year season for me, otherwise not only would I not be able to afford the hotel / dinners and the gifts for the girls, the sheer amount of work it takes to really line up some gems, all the communication and texting would kill me. I'm not in sales, but I imagine folks who work in sales would be accustomed to dealing with x number of opportunities only to see a small percentage of those opportunities pan out, and they are probably better mentally prepared for it all than I am.

However sometimes you end up with a really good one that makes it all worth while.

They all require travel on my part though... I don't SD close to home at all. The one exception being I propositioned a super hot mixed latina / Asian stripper this past season, and spoke to her in depth about being my next SB. She said she doesn't do oral on the first date which was a turn off for me, otherwise it was headed in a direction that would have had me breaking one of my cardinal rules and banging a local regular SB, which would have almost surely come back to haunt me. Probably better that it didn't pan out.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-12-14 13:43

Originally Posted by SkinJr [View Original Post]

Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.

I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.

Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.

I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.

I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.

This sd role is too much work to keep track of.

Skin.

Try making your offer before they make theirs. Its not fail safe, but does get the conversation going, or stops it dead in its tracks. Either way you are ahead. I don't like mystery. Or endless emails, txt's and messages.

**SkinJr** · 05-12-14 11:27

Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.

I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.

Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.

I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.

I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.

This sd role is too much work to keep track of.

Skin.

**FotoGuy1970** · 05-12-14 05:58

Had a 23 YO respond to my CL ad looking for a submissive girl. She was a bit thicker than I would like, but since she was offering a free and submissive bang, I wasn't going to complain. She was quite willing and very eager to learn and please. Total cost = .8 for hotel and .2 for some help with her gas since she drove an hour to see me. Will probably repeat with her as I slowly try and build other options.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-12-14 05:36

Went and did a M&G straight to her FC. She just graduated high school with all A's and was a track star, and in her infinite wisdom has chosen the SD life as her summer job until school starts again in trhe fall. I have just been appointed teacher to a nubile 5'7' 122 lb beauty, C cups. First date scores. 8/9/9/7. I told her I would teach her as she knows so little about sex. But good natural ability. More on her next weekend. She is 18 with the ID to prove it. Total damage $.3

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-11-14 11:25

I decided to TOFTT and picked up a sketchy little southern gal that just breezed into town. She agreed to my $ but when I got her home it was obvious she was just hoping to get lucky playin off her looks.

Now 23 she must have been a real head turner at 17. We kissed a little and I got to feel that tight body of hers, but that was all she wrote. I took her back 4 hours later and .6 lighter.

Luckily I didn't have to miss work to do it. I bet she is a mean fuck, but I doubt I'll ever get to experience that. I was surprised she didn't try to upsell me as she was an admitted pro supposedly looking for a SD. The truth is, with a few hundred+ dollars invested into some hair, nails and clothes. Plus a little dieting (these pics hide the pooch) she wouldn't be bad. By the time she left she was pretty toasted, but that didn't make her wanna put out either.

I've been doing a lot of interviewing lately and not worrying about the dollars, just to be able to meet a slew of girls.

**JZLizard** · 05-10-14 14:01

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...rnia-SugarBaby

Hit her up just to get the feedback and because she is only 10 minutes away from me. I see she is on 24/7 so usually a bad sign.

"I do not like kissing. And you tryed to talk me before on my old profile before it got deleted. You seem like you wasn't serious & playing games. I do not have time to waste. So I'll make it simple 500 per meet. We will hang out for Hrs. & sex if that's what you want.".

Slightly edited for easier reading.

Overly ambitious suggested retail price aside, this is one thing I hate about the 18-19 year olds. Their curtness / sassy attitude, their tendency to accuse us immediately of "playing games", etc. Seems like once they hit the 20-22 range, they mature a little and have had some time for the realities of life to set in. At 18-19 they just escaped from mom and dad's overwatch and have not had time to figure much out yet.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-10-14 13:50

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...rnia-SugarBaby

Hit her up just to get the feedback and because she is only 10 minutes away from me. I see she is on 24/7 so usually a bad sign.

"I do not like kissing. And you tryed to talk me before on my old profile before it got deleted. You seem like you wasn't serious & playing games. I do not have time to waste. So I'll make it simple 500 per meet. We will hang out for Hrs. & sex if that's what you want.".

Slightly edited for easier reading.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-10-14 13:14

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Wed and Thurs. Met a real and super cute NP. She is an AA spinner type with curves 8.5/9/8/? , college student, retail shop girl that has no clue what she is doing. She lived right near the last girl, so I went to her apt and dropped off $25 so she could take the train to my house the next day. I promised her another $100 if she made it over the next day, meaning today. Well she did show up with the promise of some kissing and petting only. I was like no problem because she is the real deal. And she did offer to fuck me with a condom for $$ (which I declined). Well when she came over I told her "I am going to take a pass on everything" and just hang out and get to know you. I told her my whole story so if she decided to try to get on the A team she would know exactly what she was in for. Partly I did this to rest up a bit as I have dates every day for the next week if I want and partly is that she is a total first timer for sure. If I get her, no one else will.

That means all BB action from a sweet young girl that"s trying to act all independent, and has a good family to support her college plans. But like all young girls has fantasies she won't admit to but the seed is planted. The next date would minimally have to be her in the nude and I would hold back on the fucking if I had to, but not hold back on anything else. After 4 hours I took her home. So either she takes the bait or I am out $.25 for trying.

Something I never ever do is negotiate, but after reading about so many other brothers efforts I thought I would give it try, especially since I don't really care if I bag her or not. The take away mentality is so important and I don't want to lose that. So anyway by the next day (Friday) we had a lot of back and forth and I now have her down to $.5 for BBFS. But before we even do that, we agreed that date # 2 would be all nude play time minus only the intercourse. All other activities would be on the menu for $. This is not a done deal. Just where we ended after some sporadic txting over a few hours. Just left it at that.

**JZLizard** · 05-10-14 06:23

Originally Posted by Applecart [View Original Post]

Oh, I almost forgot, they must have a toy poodle as well.

I'd bet this is the kind of thing the US "sugar babies" fantasize about.

Ain't going to happen for the US girls...just can see the culture in the States going down that road.

Thankfully Louis Vuitton handbags are a hell of a lot easier to counterfeit than poodles, and there's a practical limit on the amount of dogs she's willing to own. LOL

**Applecart** · 05-10-14 01:52

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http://www.thonglormassage.com/Coco.html