"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John G Smith]

Especially for the married guys, I'd avoid the very young ones because they are the most likely to act sweet initially then do something really foolish or damaging if the relationship should go sideways (like turn Amy Fisher Gone Buttafuoco on you).

Strange, I've experienced the opposite. For me, the younger they are, the less drama there is. But they just tend to be more flaky and unreliable.

The older they are, they tend to have more real expenses, bills, and responsibilities, which make them much more intense when things go wrong or if their expectations aren't met. But that's just been my experience.

Probably has to do that with the younger girls, I usually get the decent ones and not the Nando 1's. But with the older girls since I'm a relatively young guy, I just don't have much appeal with women over the age of 27. I'm too close to their age, so I probably don't attract the best MLF SBs. The few crazy SBs I met were all over the age of 25.

So I guess it's just a matter of self-selection. You may naturally attract the crazies from one group but not the other.

[JZLizard]

Actually something else would have to be going on (I.e. Providing alcohol) for CDM to even enter into the picture.

But for our own sanity, yes it's best not to surf the edge of age of consent laws. By that I mean that of all the 18-19 year olds I've met, I can only think of one 18 year year old that had the maturity / emotional maturity to handle being an SB. Most of them will tell you they are very mature for their age, and they believe that, but get to know them a little better and you will start to see the problem. Even in civvy dating, I used to have no problem fucking someone that was 22 or 23, but I found that anyone younger than about 27 or so was simply going to be too much of a pain in the ass to date (by that I mean in terms of relationship material) simply due to the maturity gap. One night stand after a night at the club? Yes. Girlfriend? No.

Especially for the married guys, I'd avoid the very young ones because they are the most likely to act sweet initially then do something really foolish or damaging if the relationship should go sideways (like turn Amy Fisher Gone Buttafuoco on you).

[Peter Johnson]

I've never, ever been able to get off with oral either.

I could never get off from oral until I was in my mid 30's and met up with this horny chick from a phone chat line. She just had the most incredible vigorous technique and I came within a couple of minutes. Somehow that "unlocked" that part of my brain and have been able to get off with a whole lot of women since then from oral..just have to be really backed up and/or the chick has to be really good at it.

Also if you have intercourse for awhile and get close, then can have them blow you at the end and get you off more easily. But my point is don't assume that it will never happen for you...just keep getting your the*ck sucked by various women and one will probably do it for you.sounds like a fun project.

[Peter Johnson]

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[FredMoore]

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[Marcus Weiner]

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[Admin2]

Nobody said they were looking for one. In the USASG there simply are no numbers smaller than 18 that are allowed to be posted. Doesn't matter the reason. If that magic numbers is >18 don't post it.

This is THE most zero tolerance issue on the forum. Never, for any reason, even as a warning, even with the very best of intentions.

Again, these guys were on the side of the angels, they weren't being assholes, it's just not allowed.

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[HollywoodGuy]

How do you verify age of SB? Can you ask there DL? What if they don't have drivers license? Just wondering if any of you guys have to deal with 19+ year old look small though inreality.

I will not date any girl that can not provide a state issued photo ID proving they are 18 or older.

[LoudThunder]

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[GeorgeRichmond]

How do you verify age of SB? Can you ask there DL? What if they don't have drivers license? Just wondering if any of you guys have to deal with 19+ year old look small though inreality.

[HollywoodGuy]

Been taking a break from new meet and greets for about a month now. I cleaned out all my old contacts and started to look for some new girls.

So far this year I have dated 13 different girls (3 are the home team). Two others that were carry overs from last year that ended and eight new girls of which I am still seeing two.

This came to a total of 90 dates in the first 116 days at an average of $.2 per date. The home team accounted for 56 of those dates. I am now looking outside my normal demographic a bit, meaning they could be any age or race.

I only missed out on one super hottie and I am going to hit her up again but I think its a lost cause. So I have 2 new POTS so far. One is a FetLife girl I met at a party and one is a gym rat, very tall but very lean. I am not rushing out to see the obvious booty call / UTR girls of which there is an unlimited supply in L.A. And trying to find something more real.

Like Revvo I would like to find the "one" but its very elusive and probably not going to happen. So I try to stay entertained with whatever special skills or attributes the various girls have and even though I can't seem to wrap it all up into one super girl I manage to get what I need through all of them put together.

I will never go the AMP, SW, or BP girl route. Some of their pics are very enticing but I read enough other threads to know this isn't what I am really interested in. I think like anything else the longer you do this the easier it gets, but there is still a lot of hit and miss especially sticking to a strict per date budget. I know if I pay more it would be easier to get the hotter looking girls but as we all know that has no bearing on their skill level or personality.

If a girl knows for a fact she is a 9/9/9/9 you are not going to get her for $.2 a date. And I wouldn't expect to. I always lean towards body type and skills over facial looks and personality. It's tough when you meet a pretty one you like but the skill level just isn't there. As I do lean towards younger girls this is more of an issue as well.

But I would take a 7/9/7/9 over a 9/7/9/7 any day.

So, out of a possible 40 total points and being on the budget I have set for myself I am rarely going to go to 34 total points and more likely going to be at 30 to 32 points. (the home team averages about 33 points each)

But if I take the best qualities from my home team in each category and combine it all into one girl I get a 9/9/10/10 or 38 points. The math of dating.

[JZLizard]

When considering SD site alternatives, also don't overlook POF (the free dating site) for possibilities. During my recent yearly SD'ing run, I set up a profile with a particular strategy in mind, to basically bulk mail younger ladies in specific regions, specifically those looking for casual encounter type dating, and just tell them in my opening e-mail that I was looking for an SD / SB type arrangment. I never actually got around to seeing what sort of response I would get, simply because I only had a 3-4 week timeframe to work with and within a couple of days on the SD sites I already had more POTs than I could sort through, figuring out which ones to see in which cities and planning the trips and so forth. If I were a year-round SD, I would definitely add POF to the toolbox.

It is not going to produce as high a success ratio as the dedicated SD sites, but there are some advantages: (1) you get to see her pics / profile before you approach (2) She's almost certainly not a pro (3) what's the worst that can happen? She doesn't respond. Don't spend time on a custom note for each one, bulk message them the same schpiel and see if you get a bite. Only time lost is searching profiles and if you're SDing full time you're doing that anyway. (4) even if you never hear from the girl, you are unwittingly helping the SD cause overall, because you're planting the idea in dozens or hundreds of girls' mind that they could be SB material. They may not have made up there mind that's what they want now, but they won't forget the idea and you just might see the same girl showing up on SD4 ME or whatever a year or two later when she gets in over her head with credit card debt or whatever. Fertilizing the turf a little bit for future growth never hurts.

I wrote here before about a hot nurse I met a few years ago that had a rockin' bikini body and became a good friend with benefits (no money from me, just two friends who enjoy fucking). First time I met her in person we went to dinner then out clubbing, we were on maybe the second cocktail and she starts telling me what a sloot she likes to be in the bedroom and what I was in for that night. Not only did she make good on that promise, she promised to never get clingy and just enjoy the sex and she made good on that too. I found her on that site, so I have complete faith that with some patience / diligence good things can be had there.

[Beachesnole02]

For what it's worth, I posted a CL ad in the talent section for attractive women needing help paying their bills and put in the text that they needed to be non-pro and open minded. I ran it for a couple weeks and got a number of pro responses that were obvious and ignored, one single mom that I saw a few times and another single mom that was totally hot but flaked out about what she was doing after we had one FC session. The one I saw several times would still be in the rotation but she tended to attract drama.

[HollywoodGuy]

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

Having posted some ads on CL for a non pro that was just horny and seeing the responses I would say in my case at least it would be a total waste of time to pursue those types of ads. The time factor to get noticed would make it almost impossible. But posting ads does get responses. Its just the selection isn't as good as on an sd site. But maybe a little more eclectic for lack of a better word. But I am going to keep posting. But definately no shortages on the sd sites.

Having cut back a bit the last few weeks I missed a date with a real hottie due to flaking on my part which turned her off. But there are always more. Timing really is almost everything with meeting these girls. When you snooze you lose.

[John G Smith]

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.