"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

I've read a little about priapism and general damage from long erections, and I must say all of that scares me. I've never taken enhancements but I've found that caffeine tablets or coffee or and some types of cold medicines can greatly enhance things overall, and are generally good supplementation to the alcohol I'm likely to have in the evening with a SB or date before sex. There have been times when my boner simply does not subside after sex in any reasonable time frame, it just stays hard but it is almost always during some ancillary event alongside the sex act, for example the first time I've been with her, or maybe I know its the last time I'll be with her, etc. I know my heart rate goes up considerably just from drinking, as I feel it, and I assume that's supplying everything else amply.

I think I'm a little younger than many of you guys and my thoughts on chemical enhancements may change as I get older. For now, I think that exercise goes a long way and I'm just wondering to what extent you guys have tried that? I spend at least 30 mins on the treadmill 3-4x a week in addition to weights, running at a decent clip. The more in shape I am and the leaner I get, the more my buddy downstairs seems to be always on alert. Some days I crave sex 3-4 times a day (meaning desire for third round after two already intense pops), other days I don't even think about it (okay I think about it but maybe too tired or busy to initiate it).

I'm actually curious about all of these enhancements, from Viagra to whatever, I just have an anti-pharmaceuticals philosophy and worry about long term side effects so I plan to stay natural as long as possible.

[HollywoodGuy]

First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

It is a prostaglandin E1 intracorporeal injection (into the side of your penis) . The needle is tiny --a 30 ga insulin syringe that fits into a spring loaded injector. You load the injector, place it on the side of your dick, and pull the trigger. You feel a thump as if you flicked the skin with your finger. You then depress the syringe injecting a small amount of fluid into the corporus cavernosum (chamber of the penis). You must hold pressure on the injection site for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, then stroke yourself 20 times to evenly distribute the medication. Within another minute or two you feel the erection growing to the maximum stretch you are capable of accommodating. From then on no matter what you do that monster is with you until it wears off. You can do your taxes while fucking 12 babes and it will keep on keeping on. Also, your dick will thicken over time from regular use because it stretches the skin more and more. The only downside to a 3 hour erection of that magnitude is it gets sore after an hour or two. Drinking coffee and sitting in a hot bath will make it go down after 20 minutes or so.

So here's how it frequently goes down. My SB and I get to the room. We stroke and kiss each other creating a lot of sexual tension. She goes to the bathroom then I tell her I need to take a leak and freshen up myself. I have it down to a science. My equipment is locked and loaded, I shoot up, and 2 minutes later I'm heading back to the bed with a dick just starting to grow. My Babies usually can't resist grabbing my dick and blowing me while I stand there at the bedside admiring her work. She's thrilled because I am exploding in her mouth growing down her throat and filling up her cheeks. She thinks it is all her amazing sex appeal and skill set, which it frequently is. You will cum as you normally do, but you will not go down after ejaculation. You will stay hard for the full time.

My babies wonder what I do in the BR so long, so I usually take a shower while compressing. It's good to be fresh anyway. They can not understand how a 60 yr old guy can bang their brains out for so long. Some love it, but some don't like being banged on and on. So depending on your partner, you have to pace yourself and her so you don't make her feel like a side of beef. The sex maniacs really love it and worship that penis the whole time.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.

I been wanting to try that. Vitamin C seems to work fine and many times after cumming you are still hard. But I find most girls are good with 20 to 40 minutes of straight banging, add in the time you spend fingering or doing oral and its usually 45 minutes to 90 minutes anyway. And at 60, yes, you basically have total control of your ejaculation time. I stopped with the marathon sessions last year some time and try to keep a reasonable daily balance. But thanks for the info, as in certain cases I can see where this would be beneficial. And my tolerance to C seems to be growing a bit. So cost is a factor. Although C will be going generic within a year I am told and the price will drop to maybe 50 cents a pill.

But I need the C anyway combined with the flomax to help with the BPH, it really does make a difference.

[FotoGuy1970]

First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.

I've got severe ED issues, to the point where Viagra is not a sure thing every time I'm getting ready for some action. I had heard about these injections, but my immediate reaction was, "There is no way in hell I'm putting a needle into my dick!" But your endorsement of these injections is definitely making me reconsider and I may end up looking into this option. Thanks Fred!

[FredMoore]

First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

It is a prostaglandin E1 intracorporeal injection (into the side of your penis) . The needle is tiny --a 30 ga insulin syringe that fits into a spring loaded injector. You load the injector, place it on the side of your dick, and pull the trigger. You feel a thump as if you flicked the skin with your finger. You then depress the syringe injecting a small amount of fluid into the corporus cavernosum (chamber of the penis). You must hold pressure on the injection site for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, then stroke yourself 20 times to evenly distribute the medication. Within another minute or two you feel the erection growing to the maximum stretch you are capable of accommodating. From then on no matter what you do that monster is with you until it wears off. You can do your taxes while fucking 12 babes and it will keep on keeping on. Also, your dick will thicken over time from regular use because it stretches the skin more and more. The only downside to a 3 hour erection of that magnitude is it gets sore after an hour or two. Drinking coffee and sitting in a hot bath will make it go down after 20 minutes or so.

So here's how it frequently goes down. My SB and I get to the room. We stroke and kiss each other creating a lot of sexual tension. She goes to the bathroom then I tell her I need to take a leak and freshen up myself. I have it down to a science. My equipment is locked and loaded, I shoot up, and 2 minutes later I'm heading back to the bed with a dick just starting to grow. My Babies usually can't resist grabbing my dick and blowing me while I stand there at the bedside admiring her work. She's thrilled because I am exploding in her mouth growing down her throat and filling up her cheeks. She thinks it is all her amazing sex appeal and skill set, which it frequently is. You will cum as you normally do, but you will not go down after ejaculation. You will stay hard for the full time.

My babies wonder what I do in the BR so long, so I usually take a shower while compressing. It's good to be fresh anyway. They can not understand how a 60 yr old guy can bang their brains out for so long. Some love it, but some don't like being banged on and on. So depending on your partner, you have to pace yourself and her so you don't make her feel like a side of beef. The sex maniacs really love it and worship that penis the whole time.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.

[Beachesnole02]

Beaches 2nd picture of the brunette is my idea of a ten. So if I mention tens in my reports, that's what I am talking about. With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".

One of the advantages of older age is I can stay in there for a long time anyways. I made fun of her for crying uncle and making me stop for a minute after she had an orgasm She is a 10, I knew the first time I met her that it did not matter what it cost I was going to do it.

So what is the shot? Wow if I had one before the Columbian I would be left with a bloody little nub before she was done. She would not know what me crying "uncle" even meant.

[Dsprdo]

With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".

What kind of injection?

[Revvo]

Have to agree, seems like the only thing to do is fit them both into the schedule. Careful, looks like you could be getting yourself get in pretty deep on the emotional entanglement here?

Not emotionally attached. Just trying to stick to just one. I get tired of all of the juggling and the costs of several.

My point was the one I have is really good and I don't want to see others so much. But this new one popped on the scene so quick and so intense it took me by surprise.

I agree they may both be gone tomorrow. But what I have found there is just no guarantees no matter how many you have. And I just end up exhausted.

We will see. I will try to hit it at least once.

By the way beachesnole...looks like you are killing it brother. What are your costs for these babies?

Revvo.

[FredMoore]

Beaches 2nd picture of the brunette is my idea of a ten. So if I mention tens in my reports, that's what I am talking about. With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".

[Beachesnole02]

I have been enjoying my search for the "one" and it has been interesting. My experiences track many I have read on here.

SB1 Wild thing, 23 years old, engaged and sneaks out during the day to see me. Incredible sex...on top, from behind, from the side, finish in the mouth, finish in the ass finish wherever and as many times as I want, it doesn't matter. She is a hard body with a great rack a solid 8-9 in looks. Doesn't care about the quality of the hotel (in fact prefers cheaper ones) and is only a $ a visit. Not the brightest though, and is constantly "needing things" and pouts when I say no. This one calls and says she is starving can I send her a pizza. The overall cost is probably 1.5 because I have to pay for her phone and "stuff". My quasi dependable regular. That is her with the backdoor view.

SB2 Model: I saw her, she was a 10 in looks (and yes those are what god gave her). Personality a 10, recent college grad, smiles all the time, funny. Had to have her...so I did several times. Got some GPS going on but I got her into a reasonable but high end range. Also always asking for money. Want's to be in a nice hotel, eat at Ruths Chris, etc. Claims she is only looking for 1, but never stops looking. Downside as many of you have seen before, the drop dead good lookers are lousy in bed. It is all about her, and she expects you to be hard just because she got naked. Screwing is great, but very limited foreplay directed at me. Thought it would get better with more visits but has not. So...weaning her out. She wants to meet Friday but I have not responded (but then I looked at her picture again so...).

SB3 Former Swimsuit model: She also is used to men drooling over her but is better in bed. She is in her 30's and teaches martial arts. 9 looks, 7 personality real honest and open about some things but lies about others and what she lies about is strange. Gets weird about semen. Goes nuts if you come on or in her, talking about birth control...but she has had a hysterectomy and I am fixed so what gives?. I see her about once a month, she is my blond right now.

SB4 The Columbian: Mid 30's 7 in looks, weak English, but is a nympho. Also incredible sex and even complains if I don't go multiple rounds. I leave visits bruised and sore. She never ask for money and I usually (but not always) leave her an Amex gift card. She says she will cut it off if I am having sex with anyone else other than my wife. I keep thinking on that...

SB5 Legal secretary: Found this one by running a craigslist ad. Single mom, mid 30's but had her kids when she was a teen. Looks a 8, Skills a 9, On the face of it her personality is a 9, but she is a sociapathic liar. When I got a full name etc (after we were getting rooms together) did a background because the stories were not right and found her record. (assumed wrongly that the lawyer would have done one). No more having each other for lunch...

Pot 1 and 2 Single moms in their late 20's Both are 8's with cloths on and both have been slow to move from meeting to FC. Single moms are the best in my experience so I am waiting to see how they play out.

Pot3 Black spinner 20's. Sent me a picture of herself in tights. I scheduled a meet and greet this afternoon.

I am trying to settle this down into a manageable number of good ones but...keep finding them and wanting to see what they are like.

[Dsprdo]

You know how this works, one day you have too many and the next none.

Have to agree, seems like the only thing to do is fit them both into the schedule. Careful, looks like you could be getting yourself get in pretty deep on the emotional entanglement here?

[FredMoore]

Well I guess this comes under the category of careful what you wish for...you just may get it!

I was absolutely not expecting this. I am very happy and committed to my current beautiful baby.
This is not fair. Or is it?

Revvo.

I could do her once but that would not be good form.

What? Revvo, are you getting soft in your olde age? Fuck 'them both my man and look for a 3rd. SBs are NSA and unless you are planning on taking an ATF on as a regular GF occupying all your free time and play funds, just develop all contacts and enjoy them. You know how this works, one day you have too many and the next none.

[AliasSM]

Thanks again to all of the helpful brothers on this forum for the advice and insight to this situation through postings and PMs. I wish I knew who the caller was but probably will never figure it out at this point because I doubt I will see this particular SB again. After the scare of the phone call settled down, we arranged for another meeting over the past few days. This meeting had been set up way in advance and I was really looking forward to seeing her again. It wasn't her looks so much that kept me coming back to her. It was just a sweet personality and she seemed to really enjoy spending time together. That's the prime reason that I was willing to risk seeing her again even after the mystery phone call that had caused us to postpone our last meeting.

4 days before our rescheduled meeting date, she txts me with the dreaded "rent is due" panic and asked to borrow $ I first tell her that I never advance money to a SB, but the next day I stupidly contact her back and tell her that I felt bad and would advance her at least part of her request. She seemed grateful for the offer and we agreed to meet at a local fast food just to hand off the cash and say Hello,. When we met, she got in my car and we had a short discussion about the mystery phone call. But she was calm about it and seemed over the scare. I handed her a $$ cash advance as we were to meet for a date just 3 days later and that was enough to tide her over until our meeting and her next payday. Then she agreed to go park with me for a little car action and delivered a nice BBBJCIM as a quick little thank-you for the loan. I wasn't expecting that, but our next date wasn't for 3 more days and I had no action planned in between, so thought that was a good way to keep junior happy until we were to meet again.

We txt'd back and forth over the next couple of days and everything seemed normal. On the day of the night we were supposed to meet, she sends me a txt saying she was with one of her friends and would see me at our scheduled time, but as the time got closer she went on radio silence. After trying to reach her throughout the afternoon, she finally sends me a txt about 30 minutes before we were to meet saying she didn't think she could make it.

Moral of the story: Never Never Never Never Never advance money to a SB. I knew better, but went ahead with it anyway because I trusted this one more than others in the past. But I guarantee you that if she had not received my advance she would have found a way to keep our date. The fact that she had enough cash in hand to pay her immediate bills, have her the flexibility to cancel out on me at the very last minute, which would never have happened if she was still in need of rent money.

I know I was stupid. Another one bites the dust as they say.

Alias.

Thanks Revo and others that responded to my request. This is still a mystery, but I have eliminated the possibility of a few sources on my end and feel much better about the potential of any security threat on my end.

To answer some of the questions:

- I never use my Google voice to talk with her by phone. All of our interactions from the beginning have been strictly txt through Google voice.

- I use my own cell phone but keep it locked down at all times.

- My SO is definitely NOT involved. I know her very well and she would never be able to keep something like this to herself. She would have confronted me by now or at least left some indication through her mood changes that there is a major problem.

-I never use a shared PC or anything other than my locked-down cell phone to communicate with this SB.

- At first I thought maybe this SB was trying to blow me off and this might be an easy way to scare me off, but she has since come around and wants to meet again.

- None of my other SBs have received a message at this point.

- I do use my real first name with this SB. I know that is stupid on my part, but they usually find out anyway and I never felt the need to hide it with her. She claims that my name is not tied to my number on her cell phone, so that would eliminate the "someone saw her cell phone messages" theory. They supposedly called me by name when talking with her.

So still a mystery for both of us. I like her enough to not let this scare me off. I'll keep you posted after our next meeting if she agrees to keep the relationship going.

Thanks.

Alias.

[JZLizard]

What should I do? Its not fair that she has to come along now and upset the apple cart. I honestly did not think any baby could turn my head. But I must say it is officially turned. She was adamant that she wants one man, and only one and she has had very few men her entire life. I could do her once but that would not be good form. I can tell her I do not want to proceed but that would not be good for me and my sexual craving for her. I have the whole rest of the week free to try her out since my baby is busy the next two nights with a photo shoot for a promotion she is doing. So I will not even see her until next week. Or I could take her on for a month do both of them spend lots of money and then make my decision. What should I do?

This is not fair. Or is it?

Well I can tell you a non-SB related experience that may help. I once met a girl I really liked, but she traveled a lot, and early in our friendship she went out of the country for a month. During that time I met someone else, who I thought was probably a better match and got seriously involved. The traveling girl, once she returned, saw us together before I got a chance to explain the whole situation, and she was jealous and hurt. Well about six years later I reconnected with the traveling girl, and said let's go to dinner. She said sure... We picked right back up where we left off, but her being a traveling girl she had to go out of the country for a month again! It was even the same time of year as the six years before. I told myself no matter what I'm not going to disappoint this girl when she gets back, she stuck out in my mind as one of those I saw as long term material -- who knows, maybe even wife material. I was going to allow myself to get laid while she was gone, but I would NOT let myself meet someone I really liked.

So, I ended up meeting someone I liked.. Well I liked a lot because she was a super hot stunner with a good job.. 3 days after my traveling GF was on the plane ... However this time I said to my new friend "look, I fucked up six years ago and I'm not going to fuck up again, if you want to be friends we will be friends but I'm not cheating".

Now, each of us here know enough about women to know what that last line did, even though it was not my intention. I realized later I set her clit on fire with that. If you saw her body, you would realize why she's never been turned down before. So here I am saying "sorry dear no sex for you, even though I want you I am strong enough to not cheat". That not only brings out her competitive side (all women crave proving their own worth by seeing if they can obtain another woman's man), but it tells her I'm of good integrity and would be a good faithful partner if she was able to win me over.

Can you see where this is going yet? Yep, you guessed it. One things lead to another and friends become friends with benefits and about a week and a half after telling this girl there's no way I'm cheating on my girlfriend, she is at my house deep throating my cock and begging me to unload in her mouth. About every two hours we would sleep, and I'd feel her hand waking my cock up for another round. And yes after we got the this point where she was helping her friend out, she would casually mention that if for some reason things didn't work out with the traveling girlfriend, she'd like to become more than friends with benefits and try actually dating because she thinks we'd be a good match.

Long term I ended up with neither one of them. But, what I think you should do is take the high road like I did in that example, lay your cards on the table in whatever way makes the most sense. If you like your new friend as a potential regular relationship, tell her you see that in her and try to get a feel for her reaction. She's already said she's not in it for the money. If I misread your feelings and you're not interested in making her your girlfriend, then I would just treat them both as sugarbabies, who in my opinion should always be on the don't ask don't tell plan. They've got other daddies going on whether they admit it or not anyway, and you can juggle multiple SBs if you can afford to (not just in money but in time and energy).

Almost every time in my life I took a risk by being completely honest and telling a female something that I thought they would object to (an example being "I want to be honest, I've got someone else") etc., I am always surprised at their reaction. They love that level of honesty and forthrightness because they don't see it as often. And sometimes it melts the panties right off them.

[JZLizard]

Same day FC's are actually easier than planning ahead. Many times girls agree to my $ and the first thing they want to know is can I see them today. At that moment they are in a state of financial desperation that could end in a day or 2 and many times does. Being in a state of constantly being overbooked and overworked its not easy for me to follow through on such short notice. I have even had 9+ quality girls agree to this. And even if I do rush over or have them come over. They many times decline a repeat visit. Being able to be as spontaneous as possible definitely increases your closing rate.

So far, my dates themselves have been planned several days in advance. But, I always set it up logistically so that the trip to the FC is almost too easy / convenient for them to turn down. I'm not completely sure why I've had such success -- as I said, the longer I do this the more likely I will run into exceptions. But I always had really good luck with first-nighters and / or one night stands, both when I used to spend a lot of times in clubs / bars and also with regular (non-paid girls) online dating. But I will say whatever techniques I developed during regular dating seem to be benefitting me as a daddy, as I'm really not doing anything different than I was during regular dating. Perhaps part of my success is a sort of "reluctant perv" side of my personality. For example if it comes to talking about sex I usually wait until she initiates it or says something that heads in that direction. I will wait until she puts her hand on my thigh for an extended period of time before my hands start finding the outline of her thong underneath her dress. Stuff like that. I think the ability to self-subdue my urges gets their curiosity level... The one complaint I've been getting from more than one lady so far is that they get a first impression that I'm "not that into them". Well they can complain about that all they want but at the same time if I was fawning all over them, they wouldn't respect me as the daddy they've been searching for. Also partially contributing to the success is simply picking the POTs I actually see carefully. I don't have enough time or money to M&G them all anyway, so if I see signs of flaky behavior or something that's a red flag I just turn them loose.

[Walruscl]

The eternal quest for perfection, however you define that. The ideal here seems to be very attractive, able to make a personal connection. Low-risk / overhead / drama (I.e., no Nando-1's), and inexpensive (the gold standard being $ or so). I believe that I have hit the 20/80 mark for my quest in perfection. Could I find something better? Probably. Do I have the time? Do I want to take on additional risk? Answer to both is "no". I've probably hit 80% of perfection with 20% of the effort. The rest is an asymptotic curve, at least based on my experience and from reading the board.

In my relatively short search, I ran into flakes, GPS, UTRs, girls who would have struck a deal but I didn't have a connection with, a couple of POTs that had sudden cold feet, and one situation where I blew it but probably turned out for the best. It was long, time-consuming, and emotionally exhausting. For all her shortcomings, nothing "clicked" like my current SB.

One of the early POTs was a HCB (at least from the pics) and we exchanged quite a few emails. We had incompatible schedules and she was a bit too far away. But bright, interesting, a normally-straight-and-narrow girl looking to explore her wild side while she still could. Unfortunately between the barrage of creepsters on SDFM and suddenly faced with the decision to actually move ahead with a face-to-face, she panicked. To her credit, she was very up-front about it and didn't just flake on me. Allegedly she found me too attractive (at least based on my writing style) and claimed to be afraid that she would fall for me. Normally I would call BS on something like that, but the emails were pretty deep and sincere. It was my first experience with getting too invested too early-really hard to let it go even though I knew it was the right thing to do.

My "close-call" was a HYM in her late 20's. Stable job, two kids, attractive if a bit lacking in chemistry. Things were going really well over text, we had a MTG that went well, but she sensed my hesitation and insisted that I really go into this "ready", whatever that means. In the meantime, she had car trouble which postponed another MTG. The way she presented the whole car thing set off scam-alerts and got me paranoid. Too paranoid, and when I confronted her about it (over texts-stupid of me), I'm sure I came across as a creeper and she bailed. Still thoroughly paranoid, I rooted out her Facebook page and a lot of things didn't align with her story. The biggest being her relationship with her ex, which she played down as more or less out of the picture. Well, the Facebook pages told a different story (lots of recent "happy family" pics). Not only that, this guy was an Army vet with lots of pics of large biceps, fatigues, and guns. God only knows what I could have been in for if things proceeded but then went sour. (shudder).

So my SB is not a conventional beauty (until she shows that spinner body), has some drama issues, and performance could be better. It's pretty clear that she's probably getting the better end of the deal sex-wise. I see that as a work-in-progress, and I get a lot of pleasure from seeing her all but worship me as a sex god. That sounds over the top, and if you told me that five years ago I would have laughed. But it's not much of an exaggeration. And from the board it's clear that many of us have had that mind-blowing, game-changing experience.

So... Checking in. Had another five hour romp in the FC. With the sudden warm weather she surprised me by wearing a dress but nothing underneath. Soooo hot to have her on top but still clothed. I had a concall scheduled midday which we decided we would work around. Well, that consisted of her blowing me during the entire call, and became a battle of sensory overload vs concentration. I'm happy (I think) to report that the latter won out. Once the call was over, we spontaneously proceeded to act out a fantasy that we apparently both had-she mounted me on the chair and went to town.

By the time it was over she could neither walk straight nor think straight. Even though I only popped once, it was friggin amazing to be able to fuck someone silly.

Ah, finally getting the sex life I never had...