"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Velroy]

Got back on Sugar Daddy mainly for a browse and if something good came up something good came.

Been looking around the past couple of days and not only is my area really depleted but most of the women are in their 40's and not attractive in the least. The few I have come across in an age and attraction bracket I like seem to be mainly wanting to send pics for money. Probably won't hang past this month.

[FredMoore]

I really like the collectors analogy. Although I do not believe I have a addictive personality I do have an impulsive personality. And I do find myself in bouts of hoarding too many collectibles and spending way too much money or time at this hobby.

So can I be happy with just one long term, will I still get that Oxytocin?

Revvo.

Naaaah! Don't delude yourself Revvo, you're just in lust right now. Follow Hollywood's lead and keep your collection going.

[Revvo]

At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.

I really like the collectors analogy. Although I do not believe I have a addictive personality I do have an impulsive personality. And I do find myself in bouts of hoarding too many collectibles and spending way too much money or time at this hobby.

As an interesting aside I have learned quite a bit about Oxytocin lately and its effects on humans. Briefly Oxytocin is the pleasure chemical in the human brain and many men especially older men do not produce enough of this. And good sex is a really good way of getting it. And it is essential to being happy, and being able to attract women. But when you do get it. It is really good and it can in itself make you become addictive to the behavior that makes you get it.

And I believe pursuing and getting, but not necessarily keeping these babies can give me a big shot of this wonderful drug. In addition it is much more powerful than the chemicals that drug users frequent. Which sometimes worries me. Because I do find myself going to excess. Spending too much time on this hobby. And being too worried about future conquests than the beautiful princess right in front of me.

But I have talked extensively about trying to find just the right one and having that quality experience. My Blue Eyed Sexy Italian baby may just be the ticket. We are having a great time. She has a lot of the qualities that I am looking for. And I have basically shelved all my other POTs to focus on her. Hell she is happy to see me 2 or 3 times per week and is open to just about whatever I ask. She does not put any drama on me and she is really cool inside and outside the bedroom. She is an excellent communicator and appears to be into me. At this point things are new but great. Not a unicorn but damn close. She is stunning, former cheerleader and gymnast, great little spinner body around 105 lbs, and has the most beautiful pussy. I am currently giving her a 9.5/9.5/10/9.

So can I be happy with just one long term, will I still get that Oxytocin? And of course she may be gone tomorrow. No one ever knows. And that would leave me without my regular shot of Oxytocin. That would be a problem. Then I would have to rebuild. And that would suck. But I have started over many times before. In this endeavor and others. As Don Draper on MAD Men said, "the hardest part is right at the loss" after that it just gets better and better.

But one thing I have learned and talked about on here. The world is filled with first class pussy just waiting for a man to fuck them. A lot of them play this SD game. But you do have to try to separate the "hot chicks" the "GPS Chicks" and the "crazies" from the quality ones. But they are there and more are joining every day. Hollywood is right. You stick with this. Read this blog cover to cover. Learn from our mistakes. Make a few of your own along the way. And stay conscious of your own issues. And you will absolutely be knee deep in pussy.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[FredMoore]

This commentary should be in the intro of the handbook on Sugar hunting. Nicely done Hollywood!

At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.

[HollywoodGuy]

At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.

[JZLizard]

Revvo. My typing is a little bit hindered on this laptop (I'm traveling), so grammar may suffer. But, over the years I have gotten an insane amount of free pussy from match, some from POF, and there used to be a bunch of other ones that I really haven't looked into, but I know yahoo personals and udate and some of those either got bought / consolidated with match. Match is still probably the best bet for regular dating.

As far as why would I be interested in SBs if free pussy is available there, its a combination of things. When I was single (without current relationship) I wanted to spend every free minute finding a real life partner... I was genuinely looking for who I said I was at the time, the other girls just turned out to be pretty much dinner dates that sometimes ended up back at the FC (which was easy at the time because I was alone, and women are always interested to see your house and what you have etc). There were times I met them for the first time, spent $40 on dinner and 2 hours later was fucking them every way possible.

But, also I should say that largely they are not SB-quality looks. They don't put pictures of themselves in underwear online like SBs. Mostly they were not 19-21 years old, because match and these other sites makes blocks you from even seeing girls that have said they don't want a guy that's more than x years older. So, once you're over 30 its hard to meet girls in early 20's on match I think (at least legitmately), and once you're over 40, well you get the idea the website starts "matching" you with women that are less and less what you want if you're going after young pussy, and they are also generally looking for something more meaningful. Like I said I got a lot of pussy but I also had a lot of dates that went nowhere, like some of them putting up pictures that were real technically but not representative of how they really look. And once you get over 30 most of them will have kids, some of them will want you to get involved with their kids fairly early on, etc. I used to avoid single moms when I could even if they were hot because they were too easy to take advantage of.

Basically match is not the place if you're looking for discretion, privacy, and some dates to hide from your wife or SO. In my case I'm in a relationship that's very important to me, so even among the SB's available to me I've had to be very careful. There have been some that I wanted to bang so badly but they seem damaged and prone to seek me out for revenge or something if it doesn't go their way, so I worry about that.

Lizard,

Those are some interesting points. How has your experience been on match.com? I have often wondered about trying to find a legitimate no dollar type of arrangement on one of the civi dating sites. Ashley Madison is a big fucking bust. I have found it to be a total waste and money. And if you found women there to fuck why have you continued with the SD / SB sites? Just curious.

Also on the daddy and mommy issues. Most of these girls are damaged goods in one way or another. Their parents many times are complete failures and I have heard horrendous stories about what some of these girls have gone through. No wonder they have a distorted view of what a relationship with a man really should be like.

I can tell you from my extensive contact with these women. Very few are of the spoiled by daddy types and just want to be spoiled by a man. Mostly it is of the other variety where they are confused, bewildered, and have never been taught how to act. Been through bad families and probably quite a bit of abuse.

Sounds like you are really starting to get the hang of this. Keep the stories coming.

Revvo.

[Revvo]

Hello everyone! I have closely followed this thread closely for some time and thought that I would finally jump in and share. I have made more than my share of mistakes in this enticing endeavor (both before I discovered this thread and sadly, some even after). The knowledge that is shared here in quite incredible and I am hopeful that by participating I will continue to develop in my pursuits.

As mentioned and recommended by others, I research a POT SB to the ultimate degree. It is quite amazing what can be discovered online nowadays. Particularly if you have either an email address or their actual name. Obviously, Facebook yields a lot of info but it is amazing what the younger generation shares on Twitter nowadays. This online research has caused me to back off meeting several, but sometimes I wonder if I am just too paranoid or too careful for my own good.

Anyways, I will share more in the near future. And thanks again to everyone who shares their insight and experiences!

Welcome. Thanks for sharing. You are entering a small and strange brotherhood, of adventurers and hobbyists. Where most lurk in the shadows but a few actually share and learn through their sharing. This is an engaging, fascinating, frustrating, and incredibly exciting endeavor that can hook you and keep you. It can suck you in, it can rudely push you out and it can confound you to no ends.

Remember keep your focus. This is a fluid environment and can change on a dime. Keep writing, you will grow much faster and deeper. And of course:

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[Revvo]

Interesting insights, and one of the reasons I'm here to learn. I have seen what you've described with regular dates / FWBs, strippers, etc and I've heard that is the common background of most pros, but my own personal experience so far with SB's has been "spoiled by daddy, need to replace him" kind of thing. Girls who also seem to just prefer older guys, even to the point that their very first high school boyfriends were in their 20's or 30's. I have witnessed the same things with girls I picked up on match.com and banged without payment, only later to see their photos on sugardaddy sites (not knowing they were looking for a SD when I met them, nor being asked for any sort of money or arrangement). In some of the cases I never learned about their relationship so they may have been as you said, but most of them conveyed the spoiled by daddy case to me. I didn't mention their relationship with their mother -- sometimes they just don't tell me about that, but in general I got the feeling they were just a lot closer with their dad, perhaps due to a bad mother or maybe to the dismay or jealousy of the mother (who knows).

Though, I'm still relatively new at this so I'm sure my perspective will broaden as the population sample size grows.

Lizard,

Those are some interesting points. How has your experience been on match.com? I have often wondered about trying to find a legitimate no dollar type of arrangement on one of the civi dating sites. Ashley Madison is a big fucking bust. I have found it to be a total waste and money. And if you found women there to fuck why have you continued with the SD / SB sites? Just curious.

Also on the daddy and mommy issues. Most of these girls are damaged goods in one way or another. Their parents many times are complete failures and I have heard horrendous stories about what some of these girls have gone through. No wonder they have a distorted view of what a relationship with a man really should be like.

I can tell you from my extensive contact with these women. Very few are of the spoiled by daddy types and just want to be spoiled by a man. Mostly it is of the other variety where they are confused, bewildered, and have never been taught how to act. Been through bad families and probably quite a bit of abuse.

Sounds like you are really starting to get the hang of this. Keep the stories coming.

Revvo.

[JZLizard]

On the contrary, I think a lot of the girls who are here have tragic life experiences such as sex abuse, absent fathers, derelict mothers, etc. The spoiled rich college girl is definitely a reality though.

"S&P " (spoiling and pampering) means money but primarily they hunger to be treated like valued persons respectfully. It's sad really, because most are not used to men treating them well. The GPS girls want the extravagant shopping trips, spas, etc, but most just want to be treated well. Most girls I've encountered are not so into sex as they are into getting 1) the $$ and 2) the respect. Since they don't get the respect so often then they will take the $.

Sex is appreciated by these girls but what they want is the above. We men preen when we deliver an outstanding multi orgasmic session but the girl appreciates the appearance of loving respect.

Interesting insights, and one of the reasons I'm here to learn. I have seen what you've described with regular dates / FWBs, strippers, etc and I've heard that is the common background of most pros, but my own personal experience so far with SB's has been "spoiled by daddy, need to replace him" kind of thing. Girls who also seem to just prefer older guys, even to the point that their very first high school boyfriends were in their 20's or 30's. I have witnessed the same things with girls I picked up on match.com and banged without payment, only later to see their photos on sugardaddy sites (not knowing they were looking for a SD when I met them, nor being asked for any sort of money or arrangement). In some of the cases I never learned about their relationship so they may have been as you said, but most of them conveyed the spoiled by daddy case to me. I didn't mention their relationship with their mother -- sometimes they just don't tell me about that, but in general I got the feeling they were just a lot closer with their dad, perhaps due to a bad mother or maybe to the dismay or jealousy of the mother (who knows).

Though, I'm still relatively new at this so I'm sure my perspective will broaden as the population sample size grows.

[FredMoore]

" a lot of these girls seem to have this background of having a loving father that spoiled them "

In my mind, the "spoiling" and "pampering" that I am signing up for is primarily just the allowance, with dinner and drinks when applicable.

On the contrary, I think a lot of the girls who are here have tragic life experiences such as sex abuse, absent fathers, derelict mothers, etc. The spoiled rich college girl is definitely a reality though.

"S&P " (spoiling and pampering) means money but primarily they hunger to be treated like valued persons respectfully. It's sad really, because most are not used to men treating them well. The GPS girls want the extravagant shopping trips, spas, etc, but most just want to be treated well. Most girls I've encountered are not so into sex as they are into getting 1) the $$ and 2) the respect. Since they don't get the respect so often then they will take the $.

Sex is appreciated by these girls but what they want is the above. We men preen when we deliver an outstanding multi orgasmic session but the girl appreciates the appearance of loving respect.

[ChipandPutt]

Hello everyone! I have closely followed this thread closely for some time and thought that I would finally jump in and share. I have made more than my share of mistakes in this enticing endeavor (both before I discovered this thread and sadly, some even after). The knowledge that is shared here in quite incredible and I am hopeful that by participating I will continue to develop in my pursuits.

As mentioned and recommended by others, I research a POT SB to the ultimate degree. It is quite amazing what can be discovered online nowadays. Particularly if you have either an email address or their actual name. Obviously, Facebook yields a lot of info but it is amazing what the younger generation shares on Twitter nowadays. This online research has caused me to back off meeting several, but sometimes I wonder if I am just too paranoid or too careful for my own good.

Anyways, I will share more in the near future. And thanks again to everyone who shares their insight and experiences!

[UKnowWho]

When I read these girls profiles, a lot of them focus so much on being spoiled, pampered, treated like a princess, etc.

I've wondered about this too. If I see a profile that mentions a lot of spoiling, pampering, or travel, I don't contact the girl no matter how hot she is. I assume she's not going to accept an arrangement where I'm giving her cash each time I see her. What they're looking for seems naive to me, but I always wonder if they ever manage to find guys to give them that.

Has anyone ever met an SB who had any stories of finding an SD who just spoiled them instead of a clear pay for play arrangement? Seems to me it wouldn't last long, with both sides quickly feeling they were getting the short end of the stick.

Also, has anyone found girls with profiles like that to be worth bothering to contact?

[HollywoodGuy]

Bear with me on this through the details, there's a valid question that's hard to present without reporting some of what went on.

Recently met a SB for our first encounter for dinner & drinks at a hotel restaurant and conveniently I had a room waiting in same building so after dinner it was off to the FC. We talked a little about minor fetishes or things we liked and had a couple more drinks in the room, and it wasn't long before I unfastened her pants, pulled them down around her knees and used the pants as leverage to hold her legs up, slid her panties aside and started giving her my absolute best oral effort.

Others have enjoyed my giving nature in the past but she was into it even more than most. Eventually all our clothes came off so positions changed, and she was still going on about how incredible the pussy eating was, so I kept this going for a VERY long time (inordinately long maybe), getting her off multiple times as she couldn't get enough. Then I get into a 69 position so that she can return some favors too. She does, but it was not with the fervor or enthusiasm one might expect, particularly after the extended performance and hard work she's been getting from my tongue and hands.

During sex, her daddy's girl fantasy started to show as she verbally encouraged her new daddy to do various things. During doggy, it felt instinctive to me to spank her beautiful bottom, as daddy's have been prone to do (at least this daddy). Based on everything else that had gone on, I expected some positive reaction to the spanking, but she didn't react and for some reason I almost got the feeling it was disrupting her idea of what the daddy's girl play should be about, as if she saw her self as the good girl getting some affection from daddy, not the naughty girl getting punished by daddy.

So my question is, for those of you that do this role playing (I'm normally not much of a role playing person but it seems some SB's are into it so it can be fun), is spanking not typically mixed with "daddy talk"? I had another experience once several years back where a non-SB situation let me to believe I need to be careful with introducing the "bad girl" or "naughty girl" idea into whatever fantasy they have going on in their mind. In that case, the girl literally cooed "nnoooooooooo, I'm a GOOD girl daddy" in a way that might have been trying to correct me.

Along the same lines, do you find these SBs really expect to spoiled in every sense? I'm talking about the inequity of her BJ effort versus how hard I worked to please her. Do your find your SBs to typically feel entitled to the princess treatment where you're basically paying to kiss their butt in the figurative sense? Or do you find it to be on a par with say typical girlfriend who is horny and into you sex? I came away from that encounter feeling like I was expected not only to provide dinner / room / allowance / great sex for our encounter but that the only thing she was on the hook for was being young and hot and being there for me to fuck.

If you are going to date the young ones, expect a certain amount of training as part of the deal. They all want to learn, and if they don't, won't or just can't, then its on to the next one.

[JZLizard]

Sounds like my idea of a good time depending on the $ value of the night. What did the night cost you? They are all different brother and some are takers and others givers. I learned from a Dom light that some spanking is desirable (at least to her) She was a talker and would lead me down the path. We were delivering the intro to a 3 hour session with mutual oral pleasuring including 69 and multiple orgasms. As I was eating her hard holding on to her ass she said "I love it when you grab my ass like that " Well, I'm an easy learner so I grabbed that ass harder each thrust with my tongue as she moaned loudly. Then when I stood up at the edge of the bed and grabbed her ass to pull her onto my cock she said "I love it when you pull me around the bed and man handle me " Well!! She is making it easy. At the end of the session I was beating the crap out of her, pulling her hair so hard it hurt me, and pounding her pussy like she owed me money. I was sore for a week but she loved it.

My point is, use her pillow talk for feedback. Your girl that night was not into the bad girl scene, but another might be. I always pop my new girls lightly on the ass once or twice, and if she does not give me any reinforcement I don't go there.

I find some are takers and some are givers in regular dating, but I have a lot more experience with that then I do with SBs, so always interested to hear others' experiences. When I read these girls profiles, a lot of them focus so much on being spoiled, pampered, treated like a princess, etc. And I have definitely noticed that a lot of these girls seem to have this background of having a loving father that spoiled them so their looking to fill that role (as the spoiling they received often leaves them years later with non-ideal coping skills when it comes to financial matters).

In my mind, the "spoiling" and "pampering" that I am signing up for is primarily just the allowance, with dinner and drinks when applicable. Of course, I'm also willing to pamper in the sense that if she likes foot massages or backrubs, I don't mind to try to accommodate that, or whatever specific kinks or fetishes (within reason) I will also try to help out (though I cannot travel with her, etc. Due to real girlfriend, so that option is out).

However sometimes I see messages from others here that make me wonder if I am understanding what they really mean by pamper / spoil etc. I always thought that's more or less just for lack of something better to say in the profile, something that helps distinguish SBs from outright pros. But I don't know what these girls are getting in terms of total benefits beyond allowance from their other sugar daddies, or if they really expect the princess treatment across the board.

[FredMoore]

Bear with me on this through the details, there's a valid question that's hard to present without reporting some of what went on.

Along the same lines, do you find these SBs really expect to spoiled in every sense? I'm talking about the inequity of her BJ effort versus how hard I worked to please her. Do your find your SBs to typically feel entitled to the princess treatment where you're basically paying to kiss their butt in the figurative sense? Or do you find it to be on a par with say typical girlfriend who is horny and into you sex? I came away from that encounter feeling like I was expected not only to provide dinner / room / allowance / great sex for our encounter but that the only thing she was on the hook for was being young and hot and being there for me to fuck.

Sounds like my idea of a good time depending on the $ value of the night. What did the night cost you? They are all different brother and some are takers and others givers. I learned from a Dom light that some spanking is desirable (at least to her) She was a talker and would lead me down the path. We were delivering the intro to a 3 hour session with mutual oral pleasuring including 69 and multiple orgasms. As I was eating her hard holding on to her ass she said "I love it when you grab my ass like that " Well, I'm an easy learner so I grabbed that ass harder each thrust with my tongue as she moaned loudly. Then when I stood up at the edge of the bed and grabbed her ass to pull her onto my cock she said "I love it when you pull me around the bed and man handle me " Well!! She is making it easy. At the end of the session I was beating the crap out of her, pulling her hair so hard it hurt me, and pounding her pussy like she owed me money. I was sore for a week but she loved it.

My point is, use her pillow talk for feedback. Your girl that night was not into the bad girl scene, but another might be. I always pop my new girls lightly on the ass once or twice, and if she does not give me any reinforcement I don't go there.