"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Good question. I'd probably say $400. $600/ yr. Definitely not cheap.

There were two main reasons why I entered the bowl. The first being that getting quality on AM and similar sites was becoming more difficult. The second being that while I wasn't directly paying these women I did wine and dine them. I figured the ROI would be roughly the same.

Right now, I've only two girls in my rotation from the bowl. The AA cheerleader, and another college girl. The rest are women I met on either AM or AFF.

So its basically the same price as SD4 M.

[BikeRider]

Any estimate on the total fees per month to AM?

Good question. I'd probably say $400. $600/ yr. Definitely not cheap.

There were two main reasons why I entered the bowl. The first being that getting quality on AM and similar sites was becoming more difficult. The second being that while I wasn't directly paying these women I did wine and dine them. I figured the ROI would be roughly the same.

Right now, I've only two girls in my rotation from the bowl. The AA cheerleader, and another college girl. The rest are women I met on either AM or AFF.

[HollywoodGuy]

The recent question about AM success made me (since it is the end of the year) go back and do an accounting of sorts. The results surprised me. While I'm not in the caliber of Wilt Chamberlain's 20,000 women, I may very well be a "man wh*re" with yellow fever. A revelation that wouldn't be a surprise to a few of my friends.

I started on AM around circa 2007. I was single and had been dating a woman for about a year. She dumped me and said since I wasn't seeking a relationship I should join AM. I did. I've been on and off the site now for 6+ years. I usually jump on for a few weeks, and focus on the handful of contacts I make. I play them out, rinse, and repeat.

AM is expensive, but I like that the credits don't expire. This allows me to jump on and off based on needs. I've also noticed that my hit ratio is much lower now than it was when I first started. This may because AM has become more popular AND I am older.

Here's the accounting. I'll only add a few comments about each for brevity's sake. The total count is 18 or about 3/ year.

- (7/9/7/9) Late 30's pinay married spinner, 5'0 and 95 lbs, bisexual. I saw her on and off for a year. CA based.

- (8/7/8/8) Chinese nurse, 5'7", single and size 4. ONS. CA based.

- (6/8/8/9) Pinay nurse, 5'7", single. I saw her on and off for about a year. CA based.

- (8/7/10/10) Korean para-legal, 22, single. Still in contact although she's 25 now. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) AA admin mid-30's 5'10" 160 lbs DDD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/7/8) Korean software dev, 31,5'2", 110 lbs. Contact is random. WA based.

- (10/10/10/9) Chinese MILF, married, late 30's, 5'8", 110 lbs. She's probably the best looking of them all. Still in contact, but she found a major SD. DC based.

- (7/8/9/8) Greek accountant, married, early 40's, has amazing DD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (7/7/10/10) Chinese Real Estate agent, single, early 20's, 5'4", 120 lbs. Still in contact. NY based.

- (8/9/9/10) mixed AA Native American, single, 5'8", 130 lbs, a total bisexual freak. FL based (moved).

- (7/7/10/10) Korean / Italian HR rep, mid-30's, single (married when I first met her), another bi-sexual freak with DD's. Still in contact. IL based.

- (8/7/8/8) Pinay CSR, married, 5'1", 120 lbs. WA based.

- (7/7/8/7) blonde EMT, single, 5'9", 130 lbs. A bit of freak but also shy. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/8/10) blonde MILF, single, 5'1", 100 lbs. A total freak. DC based.

- (7/8/1/7) Persian MILF, married, 30's, 5'6", 120 lbs. My first stalker. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) Japanese MILF, married, 5'4", 110 lbs, early 40's. We had an amazing year together. NY based.

- (9/9/9/9) Cambodian student, single, 5'8", 130 lbs. Loved this girl, but our schedules never worked out well. GA based.

- (9/9/9/10) Latina student, married, mid 20's, 5'4", 130 lbs. Close to ATF. Still in contact. DC based.

These are just the AM women, and none of them ever asked me for $. Just wine, dine, and.

BTW- "still in contact" doesn't necessarily mean we're still shagging. It means that we still message / email each other now and then.

I've also been on AFF and Badoo (although both work better for hook-ups in Asia).

My younger single friends are saying that Tinder is the big new thing for hook-ups. I haven't tried it yet since I'm seldom alone on biz trips these days.

Any estimate on the total fees per month to AM?

[Graham111]

Not familiar with that one. Hand job?

I only show G rated pics. And always emphasize that there will be no intercourse or oral on a first date (knowing there will be on over half of them anyway). It just keeps you from looking like all the other desperate guys out there.

Although I do also emphasize that I need kissing with a HE if they wanna get paid. Otherwise its a civi date to say hi. Their choice. 50% take the FS, 25% take the HE, 25% take the civi date. These are round numbers.

All my current regulars opted for the FS on the first date.

[BikeRider]

Another negative. I'm down to my last 5 credits which is what it costs to contact a POT and they won't let you use it to go to zero. What's up with that? So basically you waste it.

Bike, it sounds like AM has worked well for you! I'm surprised how many single girls are on there.

Bottom line, I think the Female / male ratio is low (possibly inverse),so they have many more choices compared to SA.

Thanks Fred. Channeling Garrett Morris aka Chico Escuela "AM been berry berry good to me".

The ratio has always been more males than females on AM, and I'll bet that the ratio is around 10 x males to females.

I was very surprised as to the number of singles on AM as well. The explanation is (and why I joined when I was single) they're not looking for a relationship. Strangely, some of the singles only want other singles. Morals I guess. Go figure.

I met most all of the women off of chat. I find it is easier to establish a rapport that way. Chat also allowed me to leverage the law of large numbers and contact more women than I could via email for the same number of credits. Lately, however, my female friends who remain on AM tell me they don't dare venture onto chat because they're bombarded by chat messages. So, I'm adapting. .

As for the 5 credits issue raised by another brother. AM and all of the sites similar have taking our money down to a science that borders on fraud.

[Revvo]

So Revvo, congrats on your prolific hobbying. I'm wondering? Since I am on parole and under the eye I am struggling to find time to even get a 1 hr bang in without having to answer for my time. How are you away so much for your multiple dates without raising your SO's suspicions?

I'm always looking for new ideas to keep the hobby going.

P.S. ATF #4 continues to be agreeable in driving to me, getting the FC, and turning around in 1+ hour. I know she is not all about the $$ ,so I am flattered that she will do it. But I'm down to 1 1/2 / week now which is lower than I like. I would like 2 regulars and 1 strange / week.

Good question. And thanks. I travel a lot. And my work schedule is extremely flexible. My two regulars my Venezuelan baby (who is moving away at the end of the month), and my little girl next door live in my city, and they have nice cozy little apartments where I can meet them at. The others I have to arrange hotels. If I am traveling to another city for an overnight stay. I either take one with me or extend my visit a little and see them on the way out or in.

I will also add that there is not that much fucking going on lately. More prospecting with a whole ton of flakes in the mix. And that takes more time than anything. Plus I do run out of time sometimes. I cancel on some and delay some.

Settling down to two maybe three at the most for the future. And see my report below about my little Italian paralegal she is being groomed to be a nice long term. Stable affair with no drama. But it is a slow roll.

Also it does not hurt that I am not on the radar.

Revvo.

[FredMoore]

Another negative. I'm down to my last 5 credits which is what it costs to contact a POT and they won't let you use it to go to zero. What's up with that? So basically you waste it.

Bike, it sounds like AM has worked well for you! I'm surprised how many single girls are on there.

Bottom line, I think the Female / male ratio is low (possibly inverse),so they have many more choices compared to SA.

[BikeRider]

The recent question about AM success made me (since it is the end of the year) go back and do an accounting of sorts. The results surprised me. While I'm not in the caliber of Wilt Chamberlain's 20,000 women, I may very well be a "man wh*re" with yellow fever. A revelation that wouldn't be a surprise to a few of my friends.

I started on AM around circa 2007. I was single and had been dating a woman for about a year. She dumped me and said since I wasn't seeking a relationship I should join AM. I did. I've been on and off the site now for 6+ years. I usually jump on for a few weeks, and focus on the handful of contacts I make. I play them out, rinse, and repeat.

AM is expensive, but I like that the credits don't expire. This allows me to jump on and off based on needs. I've also noticed that my hit ratio is much lower now than it was when I first started. This may because AM has become more popular AND I am older.

Here's the accounting. I'll only add a few comments about each for brevity's sake. The total count is 18 or about 3/ year.

- (7/9/7/9) Late 30's pinay married spinner, 5'0 and 95 lbs, bisexual. I saw her on and off for a year. CA based.

- (8/7/8/8) Chinese nurse, 5'7", single and size 4. ONS. CA based.

- (6/8/8/9) Pinay nurse, 5'7", single. I saw her on and off for about a year. CA based.

- (8/7/10/10) Korean para-legal, 22, single. Still in contact although she's 25 now. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) AA admin mid-30's 5'10" 160 lbs DDD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/7/8) Korean software dev, 31,5'2", 110 lbs. Contact is random. WA based.

- (10/10/10/9) Chinese MILF, married, late 30's, 5'8", 110 lbs. She's probably the best looking of them all. Still in contact, but she found a major SD. DC based.

- (7/8/9/8) Greek accountant, married, early 40's, has amazing DD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (7/7/10/10) Chinese Real Estate agent, single, early 20's, 5'4", 120 lbs. Still in contact. NY based.

- (8/9/9/10) mixed AA Native American, single, 5'8", 130 lbs, a total bisexual freak. FL based (moved).

- (7/7/10/10) Korean / Italian HR rep, mid-30's, single (married when I first met her), another bi-sexual freak with DD's. Still in contact. IL based.

- (8/7/8/8) Pinay CSR, married, 5'1", 120 lbs. WA based.

- (7/7/8/7) blonde EMT, single, 5'9", 130 lbs. A bit of freak but also shy. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/8/10) blonde MILF, single, 5'1", 100 lbs. A total freak. DC based.

- (7/8/1/7) Persian MILF, married, 30's, 5'6", 120 lbs. My first stalker. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) Japanese MILF, married, 5'4", 110 lbs, early 40's. We had an amazing year together. NY based.

- (9/9/9/9) Cambodian student, single, 5'8", 130 lbs. Loved this girl, but our schedules never worked out well. GA based.

- (9/9/9/10) Latina student, married, mid 20's, 5'4", 130 lbs. Close to ATF. Still in contact. DC based.

These are just the AM women, and none of them ever asked me for $. Just wine, dine, and.

BTW- "still in contact" doesn't necessarily mean we're still shagging. It means that we still message / email each other now and then.

I've also been on AFF and Badoo (although both work better for hook-ups in Asia).

My younger single friends are saying that Tinder is the big new thing for hook-ups. I haven't tried it yet since I'm seldom alone on biz trips these days.

[FredMoore]

So Revvo, congrats on your prolific hobbying. I'm wondering? Since I am on parole and under the eye I am struggling to find time to even get a 1 hr bang in without having to answer for my time. How are you away so much for your multiple dates without raising your SO's suspicions?

I'm always looking for new ideas to keep the hobby going.

P.S. ATF #4 continues to be agreeable in driving to me, getting the FC, and turning around in 1+ hour. I know she is not all about the $$ ,so I am flattered that she will do it. But I'm down to 1 1/2 / week now which is lower than I like. I would like 2 regulars and 1 strange / week.

[Revvo]

I had to talk about my date tonight because the bowl never ceases to surprise me. As I have said many times the bowl is a very very fluid situation.

Take today for instance I visited for a M&G with the 49 YO MILF, at noon, very nice educated woman. She was texting me all kinds of dirty stuff and telling me how she had been with only 6 men her entire life. Over and over. But in reality she was really really into sex and knew how to suck dick. Don't look at what they say look at what they do. So when I first met her she allowed me to kiss her on the lips and made a point of wearing a dress with no panties and telling me about it. And within an hour of meeting she had my cock in her mouth and was swallowing. Not exactly what I would call a woman that has not fucked a lot. I know I am good looking and charming and got lots of game. But I aint that good. LOL And when it came to the sugar she said she was not interested she got really interested afterward. I think she has a lot more going on than me.

Then take my date tonight. I started out tired. But I just got back from it and I am energized. She is a paralegal with a good job and does not want anything from me. She just wants to find a man of substance that is not out to try to jump her bones on the first date. Someone she can talk to and get to know. She is extremely conservative when it comes to men. In fact she was very careful not to drink too much and not to let me kiss her on the lips after the date. Frustrating but you have to understand what we have here. She is very smart, very good looking and is not looking to get anything from me as far as money goes. Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

She is very busy and does not have time to date men her age and fuck around with their immature antics. Along comes me and I am polite and successful and not trying to pin her to the wall and feel her up right away. I don't talk dirty. I am respectful and patient. By the way I need the slow roll on this anyway because I am low on time and energy. She is a perfect long term project. So we have a great time. Good conversation. Lots of complements both ways. She said so many nice things about me. And she is really nice looking. She is 37 YO Italian divorced and no kids. Very nice exotic face. Think Sofia Loren in her younger days and she has that mouth that the women pay so much money to inject with collagen these days to look just like hers. But it is natural and so sexy. Large natural breasts and a fairly good body little heavy but nice. And she is sweet as hell. And very into me. This is good stuff. You damn right I will put the time into this one.

I give her a 9/7/10/? . It may take a while but she is cool with me being married and she has her own car her own job and is going to school to better herself and her own place so we can meet. This will only cost me the dates themselves and nothing else. Pure heaven, now we just need to keep the dates going and see how it progresses. She is good to go for another date soon. May be next week until I can see her but that is ok. Slow roll my brothers, slow roll. But what a nice roll it is. This could be the solution to my quandary. All my others could fall by the wayside and I will have a quality woman with little or not cost. Maybe $200 per month, down from $2000 per month? I can dream can't I? LOL.

More to report after tomorrow. When I see my other Italian, my little 24 YO Hot pageant winner pushing 10's on the Hollywood scale.

Revvo.

[Walruscl]

Re Still keeping up with my regular SB who is a sweetie and we have been keeping that going for several months. Not ready to give her up, but one thing I am finding is that some of these things are easy to get into and much harder to get out of. I try not to be and SOB if time comes to go separate ways but it's difficult

Yeah, I'm feeling a little of that pain. My SB is still a total sweetheart, and while it's been difficult to make our schedules align, our "hangout" sessions are stellar. But there's been enough drama recently that I've begun to ponder where my exit-stage-left threshold is. As drama goes, I figure there's a lot worse-this is mostly school stress compounded on top of PCSD (post-childhood stress disorder), with a healthy dollop of the lack of perspective that comes with youthful inexperience.

But there comes a point where I'm out of emotional energy. And I'm in this game partially to offset all the stress and drama I get on the homefront, I don't need to add to that pile. Yet, as you say, easy to get into, harder to get out. We'll see how it goes, I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts.

[Revvo]

Guys thanks for the info on AM and CL and some of the other lesser sites. So here is what I have found for me.

My goal is to try to find something that is a little less expensive than what I currently have with the SD sites. The idea or the question is. Is there really a way to hookup without the expectation of having to pay. And what is the way to that? Is it really possible and if so how would it be done? So far the results are mixed. And there will be more to come. Besides I have had three babies in the past that were no pay babies from SDforme. One was fat and a good fuck, so I bailed after one time, one was too fat and I could not make myself fuck her if she was the last woman on earth. And the third was my Brazilian baby and she was awesome. Lasted about four months and holds the worlds record for the bust blowjob I have ever had. Maybe I could find another?

1. AM is a tough tough site compared to the other ones. Most of the women do not have pics with their profiles and do not send them when requested. In fact they do not respond at all most of the time. Like the other more experienced brothers on here have said. They are probably looking for mister perfect before they even bother cheating. And I am talking they are not the least bit polite about it. And the descriptions do not look good either. Even if they are pretty. Most are 40 ish and average around 5'4" and weigh around 150 lbs. And that is by their admission. So that means that they probably weigh more. Now I am 5'9" and weigh 175 and I am not a small guy. But they are creeping up on me on my size. Not really good prospects. I will not renew this but I will try some of the other techniques some of the brothers recommended.

2. About the time that I started this strange quest. I got a flood of interest off of the last days of my SDFORme profile. Unsolicited. I got 12 contacts. Two I would not even respond two since they looked too GPS or professional. I responded to 10, got in actual conversation with 7. Set up M&G with 5. And met 3 with two that I backed out of because too busy. And another that just popped up yesterday and will meet tonight. Of the 3 I met, two literally backed out at the M&G both had agreed to the FC on the first date but one did not like the 150 and stuck me with the hotel. She was not that great but was demanding 300 she was about a 7/7/6/? . The other agreed to the FC and then after I booked the hotel. We were sitting at a Chilies bar. She went to the bathroom and then snuck out the back door. This was a first. This is amazing since she was very receptive all of the time. There had never been one indication of negative feelings. She said many very nice things about me. Had been on the site off and on for three years. Who knows what happened? LOL.

And I fucked one today at her house. She is 49 YO the oldest woman I ever fucked. Not bad looking but not great. Hell she is 49. LOL Good fuck really cool a lot of fun. But talks way too much and said she was not interested in money. But when I did not leave any sugar she text-ed me later she was very interested in the sugar all of a sudden. She is broke. I give her a 5/5/8/8 . But she is not what I was looking for. Not going to pay her. I can pay younger much prettier women.

3. Tried Arrangement finders and found a some flakes and one that agreed to meet tonight and is not looking for anything but a respectable man to date in her busy schedule and not really after the money. So we are going to meet in about an hour. Lets see what happens shall we.

4. CL. No luck here. Worked on a good ad. But every time I posted it on Relationships women seeking men, it would say it posted and I could never find it. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. I never mentioned SD or SB or pay for play. Maybe the wrong section? I don't know. Any ideas guys? I started getting the flood of POTs and so I gave up.

5. Also I am trying Social Sex. You know the one with the logo of the two little birds fucking. Figured no one is on this site for regular dating and it is really big. If half the people on here are real then there are a lot of horny women out there looking for some dick and are not asking for money. Supposedly they have 16 million members worldwide! I got a few emails asking for pics. And one from a really hot. 29 YO doctor asking to meet? I don't know but she seems real. Anyone have much experience with this site? Or am I the pioneer? If you have any G2 PM so I can figure it out. The doctor seems to be nibbling and has sent me a request to meet. But she is not giving details yet. I am too busy to go on a date right now anyway. But I can tell you she is close to a 10, and if she is real, oh la la it could be the strike of a lifetime. Not holding my breath here.

6. Finally on the old school SD front. I met a really really really hot 24 YO white baby. She is absolutely gorgeous. Kind of like an Italian looking Penelope Cruz. Tall thin big fake boobs. In college and close to graduating. I give her a 10/9/9/8. Really really cool, fun sexy, sensual, and has told me personally that she wants to learn to give the best blow-jobs ever. Well since I have had the best I know a thing or two about what is a good blowjob. So we meet and she is ready for the FC on the first date. We get a bottle of wine and retire to the hotel. She is very free and easy with her nudity but not her body at first. In no time i am taking photos with my phone and she is posing and giddy with excitement. she even gives me her phone to take more nude shots. We spent quite a bit of time just talking playing and kissing, she is a great kisser and until we got down to it and she love my dick. She had a previous wealthy SD who by her description was insane. Stalker kind of guy. I have heard about this quite a bit from the hot SB's. So she seemed to be genuinely surprised to be with someone who was kind of normal. I cannot tell you how many good things she said about me and how much she appeared to really be into me and turned on by me. We fucked hard and she has a good start on the good blowjob technique. She wanted to see me again soon and she was in a parade the next day for winning a pageant. Nice bonafides. So she could not see me for a couple of days. And after we left she was super pleased and surprised that I gave her 200. In fact she tackled me and pushed me down on the bed for one final make out session before leaving. Now let me tell you guys a lot of these girls ask for a lot of money and are completely not worth it. This chick is. This is quality. Oh and she is the one telling me that she wants to spend quality time with me and not rush it. I think I am in heaven.

Then after she leaves we text a little bit and she goes dark the next day? I tried for several days to get back with her and just could not. Finally I gave up and sadly wrote her off. Then today all of a sudden she pops back up and tells me she had major phone problems. And wants to see me. Well maybe she did maybe she didn't. But hey who am I to deprive her of my cock and a few dollars. Remember my theory on "hot chicks"? She is very very hot. But not really an official blood sucking soul crushing succubus that is the "hot chick". So onward we go. I will see her tomorrow and postpone on a flakey POT.

There have been some massive stumbles along the way. But my fingers are getting tired from typing and playing with pussy today. LOL And I have to get ready for my date.

I will keep writing and hopefully some of you brothers will also.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.

[KrustyDawg7]

Reporting here on two M&G in the past week. Both POTs early 30's from SA. Both had nice personalities but not appealing to me for one reason or another. One was quite chunky, much more than I like, and other a combination of bad teeth, smoker, and lousy schedule that would never match with mine. I gave her a little Christmas cash for her kids since I knew she was hard-up. Sorry to say that I am very picky about who I would want to take to the FC. I still have on tap an older gal who was looking for "substantial" support but backed down to "occasional / negotiable" since that would be all I could do since there is distance involved. Hope to M&G in a few days there.

I am no longer deterred by POT saying they want a big $$ arrangement. Those sorts of SD are few and far between, so there's hope for us 50's guys with some loose change in our pockets. Still keeping up with my regular SB who is a sweetie and we have been keeping that going for several months. Not ready to give her up, but one thing I am finding is that some of these things are easy to get into and much harder to get out of. I try not to be and SOB if time comes to go separate ways but it's difficult. I also am getting more good leads off my SA profile and think times are still hard for many, and a good SD is nice thing for these girls to have... Girls like to shop. The eternal truth!

Krusty.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've posted a few things about AM in the past. I've had pretty good luck over the years (hard to count but more than a handful), but it is becoming more difficult with my increasing years.

I recently surveyed the AM women I've met (and I'm still in contact with) about their experience on AM, and why me. The results are interesting. Honestly, it seems luck and timing are pretty much the biggest factors. Catch them early and at the right time. Hollywood emphasizes this on the SD sites. There were two other interesting common comments. The first is I don't have any X rated or even PG pics in my profile. They're all g-rated. All of the women said they didn't want to see shirtless, or X rated pics to start. The second comment was that I could speak to them about a variety of subjects besides sex. Several complained that guys would just push to meet or talk about sex.

The long and short of it is act civil and relaxed. Don't be that desperate guy women want to avoid.

Also, I've met at least two women from AM that originally rejected me. I simply replied to them thanking them for their time, and wished them luck in their search. Both replied back that guys usually send them nasty notes after rejection, and since I was nice they were would like to get to know me.

I only show G rated pics. And always emphasize that there will be no intercourse or oral on a first date (knowing there will be on over half of them anyway). It just keeps you from looking like all the other desperate guys out there.

Although I do also emphasize that I need kissing with a HE if they wanna get paid. Otherwise its a civi date to say hi. Their choice. 50% take the FS, 25% take the HE, 25% take the civi date. These are round numbers.

All my current regulars opted for the FS on the first date.

[BikeRider]

Now Virginia Guy you say that you have had success. That is awesome. Give us details. Let us in on your secrets. Don't have to show the profile. But we are here to learn from each other. I have shared countless anecdotes and lessons over the past year. You could write a book on what I have contributed here. Please fill us in.

Be careful out there. And stay away from Ashley Madison unless you just want to spend money to get ignored.

Revvo.

I've posted a few things about AM in the past. I've had pretty good luck over the years (hard to count but more than a handful), but it is becoming more difficult with my increasing years.

I recently surveyed the AM women I've met (and I'm still in contact with) about their experience on AM, and why me. The results are interesting. Honestly, it seems luck and timing are pretty much the biggest factors. Catch them early and at the right time. Hollywood emphasizes this on the SD sites. There were two other interesting common comments. The first is I don't have any X rated or even PG pics in my profile. They're all g-rated. All of the women said they didn't want to see shirtless, or X rated pics to start. The second comment was that I could speak to them about a variety of subjects besides sex. Several complained that guys would just push to meet or talk about sex.

The long and short of it is act civil and relaxed. Don't be that desperate guy women want to avoid.

Also, I've met at least two women from AM that originally rejected me. I simply replied to them thanking them for their time, and wished them luck in their search. Both replied back that guys usually send them nasty notes after rejection, and since I was nice they were would like to get to know me.