"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[GeorgeRichmond]

I reactivated my SA account, back after I gave up my SB...as she was not flexible. Will keep you posted on how it goes.

[FredMoore]

These ladies tend to be Nando 1's more often than not. Any blathering about money other than the negotiated rate is a HUGE turnoff to me and grounds for dismissal.

I have had 4 "real " LT SBs. I call them ATF 1 through 4 . Each one is spectacular in their own way and not one of them has ever hit me up for more than our agreement.

ATF #4 is going on 4 months now weekly except for her recent travel out of town. She is grateful for the reasonable allowance I give her, and loves to fuck like no one I have had before, and is fine with my parole situation.

SB #2.

Is a borderline Nando 1 and hit me up the other day for a raise due to unexpected expenses. I told her no and didn't have any problem drawing the line. I used to feel sorry for them and would take on their problems as my own, but no more. She's really a bootie call baby at best, but her pussy is clean, cheap, and tight. I really find that I crave an emotional connection that a BC baby doesn't provide.

[Dolato]

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

I don't think it was so bad to have called her. I probably would have as well. If she's so broke, did she take up your offer of $ or however much? I can understand it being a turnoff, but it might turn out to be a good trip to the fc still. I'm curious how the phone conversation ended.

If she hosts and will take $, I'd take her for a test run and see how it goes. If she's that in need of money, then she may be up for booty-call baby status (nothing regularly scheduled) and can be added to your roster for the time being.

She's either desperate and is using a sob story, or isn't so desperate but using the sob story. Either way you can hit it and quit it if it's no good after the first round.

[Igor Mongorsky]

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

I'm passing these losers up. I got one good looking 38-year old right off the bat tell me to give her a call. She would not answer a single question. Gave some lame excuse why she couldn't email. Yeah, like that makes sense. I don't know what her deal was, but I didn't want to waste a minute finding out.

[HollywoodGuy]

First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

My MILF is always broke.. If she wasnt such a great lay I wouldn't even listen to that stuff. But I been with her 2 years not 2 minutes.

[Ltnric]

First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

[HollywoodGuy]

Nothing is forever except death and taxes.

And available smoking hot pussy. LOL.

[SubCmdr]

Scott, I'm not an attorney but there's few if any attorney's that will take these types of cases.

These sites exist because of freedom of speech. If she knowingly allowed her pics to be taken, they can be posted anywhere as everywhere. There's no invasion or expected privacy with photos, whether nude or not.

Unless she is being extorted, it's not a crime. I believe California is one state where this type of scenario is illegal by statute. However, these sites operate in the virtual world and can be located anywhere.

How is US law going to apply when the site is located on a server in South Africa?

Our legal system can't keep up with advances in technology. I feel bad for your SB, but there's thousands of victims like her without any type of resolution.

Never let anyone take compromising photos of you is the lesson. Not even your SO, as there is no right to privacy if you allowed it willingly.

On the other hand let us not overestimate the true impact of the posts on your sugar baby.

Three years ago, my Doctor found a 25 year old girl dead in her home (status of his relationship with the girl was not revealed). He lawyered up the next day. 5-0 searched his home and office. Ultimately plead guilty to obstruction of justice. This was all over the news and you can google his name and find numerous articles about the case. This was a case that involved the death of another human being and a guilty plea to a criminal charge. He is still practicing.

My advice. Tell your SB not to expend needless energy worrying about it. Everyone has a bad day. Nothing is forever except death and taxes.

[HollywoodGuy]

I negotiate every price, the babes will throw out a number just to see what you do. Most will start out with something like $500 per week. Before I accept any number I ask these questions:

1. Can you host or will I need to get a hotel?

2. Do you have a car?

3. Will you travel to me?

4. What are your rules, what can I do and what can't I do? Most then ask "sexually" and I respond "both".

My goal is to pay by the visit so I'm not tied to giving them cash frequently. The number I have in mind is 200 per visit and include the hotel and any travel. So when they say $500 I say "that's way out of my budget." They then come down to $250 every time. I then say I have to get a hotel and factor that in and usually they understand and say, well what can I do? Starting at $100 I slowly move up to $130, because a hotel is $60-70 and parking is $10. I had 2 girls accept the $130,1 took $120 and 1 took $100 just this week. I took one to the FC this week and could of seen another but I wasn't expecting that type of success.

Before I started actively negotiating I accepted a $300 allowance for my main babe, she has her own place and I hang out there all day one day a week. For now it works but I'm going to renegotiate her arrangement soon.

I hate doing it. Getting rooms. But if the total damage is $$ including everything. You have to consider that fair.

[RiverCity2011]

If anyone has hung out with Felicity, can you please PM me? I'm about to take the plunge and I want to feel comfortable more quickly. Thanks!

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from SA.com and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

[J Martinez]

Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?

I prefer a per meeting figure, typically around $. It can go higher if she can host or if she lives close but not more than $.5. Negotiations must occur before the first FC, usually at the M&G. The big head must do the negotiations. Just stand firm, be polite and friendly. My budget is $. Many will want more, especially the pros and experienced SBs. I've also had better long term arrangements with those who initially agreed and appreciated my initial $ meeting amount. Unlike others on the board, I've yet to find someone I felt comfortable paying a monthly allowance. If I did, it would be a multiple per meeting amount rounded to my favor.

[Showtime2020]

Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?

I negotiate every price, the babes will throw out a number just to see what you do. Most will start out with something like $500 per week. Before I accept any number I ask these questions:

1. Can you host or will I need to get a hotel?

2. Do you have a car?

3. Will you travel to me?

4. What are your rules, what can I do and what can't I do? Most then ask "sexually" and I respond "both".

My goal is to pay by the visit so I'm not tied to giving them cash frequently. The number I have in mind is 200 per visit and include the hotel and any travel. So when they say $500 I say "that's way out of my budget." They then come down to $250 every time. I then say I have to get a hotel and factor that in and usually they understand and say, well what can I do? Starting at $100 I slowly move up to $130, because a hotel is $60-70 and parking is $10. I had 2 girls accept the $130,1 took $120 and 1 took $100 just this week. I took one to the FC this week and could of seen another but I wasn't expecting that type of success.

Before I started actively negotiating I accepted a $300 allowance for my main babe, she has her own place and I hang out there all day one day a week. For now it works but I'm going to renegotiate her arrangement soon.

[Revvo]

The bowl will not be the same without you.

You are one of a kind. Not only willing to go out there and do it. Which is different than most of those cold and timid souls.

But you were always there to help. And I appreciate it.

The bowl is better with you in it.

Good luck.

Revvo.

[Dolato]

I finally had my very first ever M&G. I was getting discouraged after having had three previous women flake out on me.

SB#1: She is a 22 year old SB who has a 3 year old son (I don't know but there is something that is a turn off about a woman with kids, but considering what this lifestyle is all about I guess I need to expect that). We met on SA and we emailed a few times and we finally had our M&G. She was a little thicker than what I normally like but hey beggars can't be choosers. I was actually hopeful that something good would happen as I have been reading posts about some of you out there getting some good action. Long story short, it would be my luck that I meet the one "good girl" SB. She was telling me how she was getting a lot of rude and suggestive emails off of SA and how that isn't her. Don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting to take to her a hotel at our first M&G but it does sound like I am going to have to put a lot of work and effort to get her into my FC. Yep just my luck. HOwever, I did make it clear that we would go on a few dates and if we decided to get "closer" then and only then would we talk about our arrangement. Basically telling her I am not going to give her any type of allowance just to hang out with me. THanks to all of the members on here for the advice. I kept my expectations realistic and after a good first meeting I hope I won't to have to wine and dine her for too long before I can get her into my FC. Happy Hunting everyone and stay safe.

Congrats on your first M&G. I hope you didn't make my rookie mistake and spend too much on it. One of the things I learned from this site is to keep it simple for the first meeting.

I understand how she's your SB#1 and wanting to get her into your FC, but I don't know about having to wine and dine her especially when she's a little thicker than what you normally like.

Maybe others will chime in, but I'm thinking maybe just texting / talking to her until she's ready for the FC instead of having to pay for dates after dates?

[Dolato]

Hi guys!

Just wondering how you guys like to do your allowance negotiations.

Do you find the prices pretty firm? What kind of things do you say to bring things down to your number?

Do you prefer to give out monthly allowances or weekly?

Hey ThirdCoaster. I'm just offering my amateur opinions here.

There's much posted on the allowance amounts. Reading through the different posts, the others are fairly open about what they give / how they give.

There was a post a while back that mentioned negotiating when there's a huge difference in the number will just lead to disappointment because you'll pay more than you wanted and she'll get less than what she wanted.

I'm pretty firm on starting at $/ date and leading with that from the beginning based on Hollywood guy's suggestion. That way if she's suffering from gps then she'll filter herself out. But if she's a looker I've gone to $.5.

So don't really see it as negotiating. Tell her what you'll do and if she's living in fantasy land, then move on to the next.