"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**AliasSM** · 12-03-13 05:58

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Unfortunately I am going to have to cash out and take an early retirement. Nothing has happened at home, but for a number of reasons, now is the time for me to transition back to family man and hubby.

I will still monitor the board and may even give advice. But I am burning my bowling shoes brethern.

BigTigg. Out!

BT. I'm speaking for this entire forum when I say that we wish you the best and hope that you stay in touch. I learned a lot from your posts, and although I simply can't juggle a fraction of the number of SBs that you seem to handle with ease, I still related closely with some of your experiences and learned from them.

I haven't had anywhere near your success in the bowl, but I know from personal experience that I couldn't give it up cold turkey. So my hat is off to you if you have the will power to make the transition without severe withdrawal symptoms. I AM curious to know why you decided to retire at this time. I'm sure others are interested also if you choose to share.

Either way...best of luck in your future endeavors.

Alias.

**HollywoodGuy** · 12-03-13 04:17

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

G
I'm ashamed to even report such dismal stats but any lay is better than none.

I have to agree.. As long as they're not butt fugly.

**Igor Mongorsky** · 12-03-13 03:03

Thanks for your many contributions. I've had to live vicariously through you guys experiences as I haven't had much luck yet in the bowl.

**Showtime2020** · 12-03-13 01:00

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Unfortunately I am going to have to cash out and take an early retirement. Nothing has happened at home, but for a number of reasons, now is the time for me to transition back to family man and hubby.

I will still monitor the board and may even give advice. But I am burning my bowling shoes brethern.

BigTigg. Out!

BigTigg, thanks for your posts and insight. Reading your escapades convinced me to step in the bowl. Were in the same area so PM me if you like to grab a beer sometime.

Take care of yourself.

Showtime.

**Showtime2020** · 12-03-13 00:50

I've noticed that SA is much better than SD4 Me in my area. Last week I had three M&G and one trip to the FC.

I didn't see my normal Staxx because I wanted to see what else was our there.

New SB. Bashful. Early last week I reached out to a 22 year old AA and we began texting, she sent lots of naked pics and got me excited to see her. We negotiated $1.3 per visit with gas and lunch covered. I texted her this morning to set up a M&G and she said that she was horny and wanted to get this started. She needed the cash and figured why not get this started. I went on Hotwire and got a great 3.5 star for $75. This is where things got iffy. She said that she had tire problems and needed to have AAA come and change it. We were supposed to meet at 2:30 and this happened at 2. She said that she would make it and I believed her. Around 3:45 I was texting to see where she was and she didn't respond so I texted this 21 yr old African spinner she to see if she could come through and she said she could but I still wanted Bashful, so she responded and said that she was on her way so I pushed the African to Thursday.

At 4:30 I went to the hotel and she arrived at 5. She was in yoga pants my favorite and sweater showing her mid section. We had a bit of small talk and I undressed her and we got to business. She opened with a great BJ and let me have my way with her. I hit every position I can think of and she was silent the entire time. I mean she said absolutely noting the whole time. It was cool but after a while I needed verbal confirmation that she at least enjoyed herself. It just didn't happen. After about 90 min we got in the shower and washed off. I walked her to her car bc I had to pay for her parking and it reeked of weed. I thought I was going to smell like it too. She agreed to another meet but I'm renegotiating next visit.

Damage:

Sugar $130.

Room $77.

Parking $11.

I spent too much, I need to bring these costs down.

**Golfcart** · 12-02-13 23:25

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Unfortunately I am going to have to cash out and take an early retirement. Nothing has happened at home, but for a number of reasons, now is the time for me to transition back to family man and hubby.

I will still monitor the board and may even give advice. But I am burning my bowling shoes brethern.

BigTigg. Out!

Last thing I remember I was running for the door – I had to find the passage back to the place I was before. "Relax," said the night man, "We are programmed to receive." "You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave." Hotel California.

**BigTigger** · 12-02-13 22:19

Unfortunately I am going to have to cash out and take an early retirement. Nothing has happened at home, but for a number of reasons, now is the time for me to transition back to family man and hubby.

I will still monitor the board and may even give advice. But I am burning my bowling shoes brethern.

BigTigg. Out!

**Graham111** · 12-02-13 20:42

Sorry for silence...been layin low. You guys brought me out...

At the end of 2012 I had a few dates with "big girls" which were somewhat lacking. Decided to focus on young and thin. Wound up with two M&G. At this time.

I would always do a M&G with no plans to go to FC until next date. With two young hard bodies who fit the bill.

SB9 was a 22 yo college gal who had dates an older guy before .32 yo (I am 55) but as usual, I discovered, had daddy issues which led her to older men. She was artsy, into dance and music, and drifting her way through college. Had a meet and greet and follow-up dinner where she liked the idea of an arrangement but wanted an "advance" of sorts. I was firm on sugar for sugar which led to first visit at FC. After round 2 in FC we discussed business and she was not into P2 P or cash, wanted presents. She is a outside event performer and really wants an expensive hula hoop (for dance performances. OK, it's custom order so should be able to get a few more dates before it arrives. Pull the trigger but as time goes by I think she hasn't paid up and she thinks she needs more. Ultimately a few more dates over 2 months ending with dinner and drinks and declaring after these she has her period on the way to FC. Didn't work for me. My take away was she really didn't need the money so stick with a true need to keep sugar cost proportional to sugar provided.

SB 10 listed herself as 23 on SD4 M, but I later found out was 19. Lot's of family drama as a later found out but met for M&G right before Christmas, the day after SB9, and could not believe my luck. Lived 60 miles away but on time, nice car, nice clothes, great bod and minimum wage job so in need. Took her to FC and tried to close the deal but she kept saying she had to go. Texted me later that night to drive to her town, get a room and entertain her but I smelled a rat and declined. Total silence for 2 months then meets for dinner and wow, I've got a porn star on my hands. Hours in the FC at a time. Initially she is driving to see me (I fill her tank..hehe) but she winds up getting a job locally on a night shift. So she gets off work at 3 am in the morning and let's herself in for a late night go, multiple nites at a time. CPO goes very low. Along the way of course I learn more about her life and all the deadbeats and mistakes along the way. Huge temptation to help as nothing a little cash infusion would not help in the short term but it's a slippery slope. Start thinking about moving on and my guess is her sixth sense picked it up. Finally in July she gives me a "I love you, you have led me on and why can't we be together". Refusing to fuck that evening (she is staying over) and provides a stellar performance in the am. Which she notes "that was one and half hours". Too late dear. Told her I couldn't do it any more and after initial drama had some minor text and email activity but she has moved on (I hope! Had me sweating as I have an apartment in the away town (the FC) which the warden only visits every other month but was there several times in the summer...didn't need any drama. I have had one close encounter and did not need more. I have a sixth sense she had an alternative life and others on the string but little proof...and it really doesn't matter.

This brings me up to mid 2013 with a few other side events. SB11 was a 35 yo hard body, very skinny, who had separated from her husband who was 20 years older so familiar with older guys. Kind of ditsy and several hangups but good for an overnite pounding so saw her a few times. $ per date plus gas.

SB12 was a 23 yo college gal, looked great from the waist up in pics but a little big below. At M&G too nervous to eat, said she had a daddy before who decided he was in love with her so got rid of him. Came to the apartment and after beating around the Bush "Want to fuck" You bet. A squirter too. But no personality and just didn't do it for me. $.25 per date. Only one date.

More to cum. Ha ha!

**Gogreen** · 12-02-13 18:54

Thanks Brother Scott.

Sorry about your parole. Hang in there!

I definitely don't think I can handle another local SB since it's hard enough finding the time for these 2 SB's. In fact, I'm trying to think of a way to cut #2 away gently so that I can possibly circle back to her when #1 moves away. Then again, there should be some fresh SB's when that time comes along.

Happy Holidays all!

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

My brothers,

I trust you all had an enjoyable Thanksgiving. In reading over the recent posts, especially from the first-years, I want to congratulate you all for getting out there and trying to make things happen.

Reading our little journal is certainly your best first step, but there is no substitute for experience in the field. Our collected wisdom will certainly help minimize your mistakes, but nothing can guarantee 100% success. Don't be afraid of failure; you will learn from that as much as from your successes.

Green. Good for you. It took you some months, I believe, but it seems like you have two steady babies at the moment, and unless you are BT, Revvo or Hollywood, that's probably all you should expect to handle!

Good luck to all, and keep up the good work.

Scott.

**FredMoore** · 12-02-13 17:51

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

My question here is, how long should I let this play out like this before I tell her she has to get to the next level? We have discussed that she wants to take it slow. She doesn't want to end up feeling like a working girl and wants to have a connection before she does that. But really, how much time should I invest in this? If it works out it could be off the wall good. I don't want to blow this as she is not the typical SA girl. But, I don't want to waste my time either.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Look at the risk / rewards:

Risk: socializing in public increases exposure, spend more $$ , possibly never getting to the FC.

Reward: A true connection not predicated only on sex / money, less allowance if she likes you.

I have read the SA "rules" and been on their blog about this very topic. The girls are advised to "date" for x times before giving up the Quan so she might be holding onto some preconceived number. Tell her you are very attracted to her and that while you respect her desire to go slow you need some kind of indication from her what the plan is. If she is evasive and too open ended then give her a deadline. Normal adults don't "date" for months before burying the one eyed snake. Just saying.

**FredMoore** · 12-02-13 16:34

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Saw my "Princess" (pictured in her thanksgiving day dress) 8 times and spent 1.3 k.. It's been a steady 8 months of twice a week visits so I rewarded her with an early Christmas at the mall.

My roommate has been a little distracted so it was a quiet month. Only 4 hookups. I am having withdrawal symptoms. LOL. 8 benjis

ATF MILF. Saw her zero times but sent her $$.25 as a retainer.

Did 7 M&G's for $.8 which resulted in only one hookup.

Did one booty call for $.

Plus $$$ in sugar alimony.

So another 3 k for the month. Only 14 hookups. Sometimes you got to go along to get along. Hoping for a better December.

Good job Hollywood. I calculate $214 / pop which is still less than I have negotiated with my ATF.

I am down to 4/ mo but with my ATF out of town I have a backup booty call at $100 with her own FC. There is no relationship and is truly a hump and run. The only difference between her and an escort is low volume (I think) She is very skitzy and is constantly worried about a sting. She is paranoid. I read this as either she has been busted before and is fearful of being set up or she is a true amateur and is worried about the unknown. I think she might be an UTR. However, she is young, cute, and tight. I think she is trainable if I get her to relax. What do you expect for $ ? And I need a quickie since my time is monitored.

I'm ashamed to even report such dismal stats but any lay is better than none.

**F Scott** · 12-02-13 14:41

My brothers,

I trust you all had an enjoyable Thanksgiving. In reading over the recent posts, especially from the first-years, I want to congratulate you all for getting out there and trying to make things happen.

Reading our little journal is certainly your best first step, but there is no substitute for experience in the field. Our collected wisdom will certainly help minimize your mistakes, but nothing can guarantee 100% success. Don't be afraid of failure; you will learn from that as much as from your successes.

Green. Good for you. It took you some months, I believe, but it seems like you have two steady babies at the moment, and unless you are BT, Revvo or Hollywood, that's probably all you should expect to handle!

Ltnric. I never pay for more than coffee / drinks / etc on an m&g. No sugar until I have seen the pussy is the way I approach things, but in the end you need to go with your gut. Each situation is different, and the successful SD is a fluid one. That said, be aware of the scammers at all times. In your present situation, I would point-blank ask if the next time you get together, would she be comfortable with you getting a room. If the answer is other than positive, move on.

Fyrguy. Same for you, in my opinion. I totally believe in letting things evolve at their own pace, but the goal should never be too far out of sight, namely the FC. There are ways to keep the sexual tension on without being gross about it. Again, trust your gut; there are no hard and fast rules, just pitfalls to watch out for. Otherwise, fluidity is the word of the day.

Good luck to all, and keep up the good work.

Scott.

**Gogreen** · 12-01-13 21:33

Sorry I haven't posted many updates but I've been making steady progress. Currently have 2 local SB's and haven't had a visitor yet.

#1. 1st SB that is a 22 HYB. 9-10 in the looks dept. Been seeing her weekly. Very fit, but kinda pricey at $400/ meet including hotel. She's one that I've been trying get less business-like. Don't think she's been a pro or UTR, just doesn't want any emotional attachment. Will definitely be losing her next spring as she's planning to move back to Cali. Will be trying to push the envelope more in the FC with this one until then or if I can find a replacement sooner.

#2. 22 HYB, Hungarian girl, more curvy than the first like a softball player, she's apparently trying to go pro as a kickboxer. Go figure. She's more accommodating, eager to please and friendlier than the first, and can host. I just wish she looked leaner like the first girl. She also is cheaper at 200/ meet. If only I could combine her with the first.

The local SB pool seems to have grown a bit and I've gotten a little more courage to fish in this bowl.

I have 1 long distance prospect that I want to bring over next month and we'll see how that goes.

**Ltnric** · 12-01-13 20:07

Well I guess flakes can be found every where including in the SD / SB world. I was supposed to meet a young SB today. We had a time and day set and she confirmed but never heard back from her. This was a super young SB so I am going to attribute this to age but I doubt she is the first or will be my last.

**FyrGuy33** · 12-01-13 18:49

Well, it didn't take long. While I was with my buddies watching football this afternoon, she texted me to ask how much I would give her if we started an arrangement right away. So I told her 150 per visit. Minimum 2 hours per visit. She jumped right on it. You have to love this time of year. She's a waitress hurting for money and need to buy Christmas presents for family. Seeing her at noon tomorrow. Found a 41 y / o MILF in the same situation that I am meeting on Tuesday. Same donation. You have to love the holidays, LOL.