"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BikeRider]

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

I think this holds true within the US mostly. When I was a sophomore in college, I dated a Playboy centerfold (long story how it happened. Just call me lucky). She was the epitome of a dead fish. Worst fuck I've had. I've had much better luck outside the USA.

When I lived in Japan, I dated both a TV / Movie actress (learned to hate paparazzi), and her BFF (a model) after the broke-up (long story). The actress was a total freak (think Wide Eyes Shut), and the model was the best sex I've ever had hands down. She'd do anything to please. I was close to marrying the model when a f'ing Investment banker grabbed her (I was poor then). She's in NYC now...and still stays in touch (fingers crossed we'll meet again).

The moral of the story is don't over generalize. But I do think strippers in the US are jaded. Third rate models as well.

[Member #4103]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1909736]Nice summary HC Ahh, to be 40 again! These HCGs who are willing to date you for no allowance, how long do they last? Are they one and done or do you have to kick them to the curb? Do you date IRL? Or do you only date SBs?

Agree completely mid-20s is my sweet spot...

How long do they last...lets see...two I had to break it off as they wanted to be bf/gf...which was hard, as they were both mid-20s with a destructive combination of hardbodiness and sex drive Couple of one and dones (granted I dropped $100-150 on dinner and drinks for the evening). Three are ongoing....though one of those I think just uses me for backup sex...she's notoriously unreliable (e.g. breaks off dates), so I think I'm just her goto if all else fails...which is totally cool with me...I get it, yes I do :-)

And don't get me wrong, these are not the norm...I've had to wade through many a "I want $500 per visit" (NOT) to get there...but I think we've all found our little niches to play in...

[BikeRider]

Oh by the way. On the other issue below. I got tested and I am negative on all 8 STDs. Wife just has her first ever yeast infection. She went to doctor and he is treating it as so. I hear I could still have Trich but I have no symptoms. Is that possible?
Revvo.

Revvo. Glad to hear you're clear. Trich is tough as it is tough to diagnose just from male specimens. If your wife is still having problems after treating BV / Yeast over the counter then, it may be tich. My guess is she'll be fine after the OC treatments.

I'll have to do a bit of research to see what your options are. Occam's Razor says that it is probably BV or yeast. But trich is pretty common (HPV more so). My guess is you're fine...but as Andy Grove said "Only the Paranoid Survive".

I totally agree with you about South American women!

[Member #4103]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1909792]1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

I don't so much notice how the tongue-pierced girls kiss...but it works in other areas...LOL :-)

[BigTigger]

Met the owner renting the room. She is not doable, LOL. Made the deal for $600 per month, month to month. Nice furnished room. I will change the sheets and leave a,few clothes. Private suite, high rise with security. Easy parking.

Met the other POT. She is short, big boobs, cute butt. We talked, flirted, kissed, etc. She agreed to drive down tomorrow night and get a room close by my work. Tiggabounce tomorrow.

Ms Thickness canceled on me.

BT.

[F Scott]

1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

2. Artists. Think too much with their head instead of their pussy.

3. Mostly not so good, but my opinion is changing, since my current "girlfriend" is a nude dancer.

4. Princess is fine, if it's a state of mind.

5. Only looking for good girls, no pros and very limited on the UTR scene.

6. Haven't tried it.

HG and I can have almost the totally opposite take on these points, and yet we are clearly both successful in our pursuit. It just proves that there are babies out there for all of us, and it is our task to figure out how to land them.

Tally ho!

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

2. Artists. Think too much with their head instead of their pussy.

3. Mostly not so good, but my opinion is changing, since my current "girlfriend" is a nude dancer.

4. Princess is fine, if it's a state of mind.

5. Only looking for good girls, no pros and very limited on the UTR scene.

6. Haven't tried it.

[F Scott]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

Jesus, Cotton, are you reading my mind? Quit it!!

#'s 1 and 2 are my go-to guidelines. I love the quirky, creative, artistic types anyway, and the fact that they will shed their clothes in a minute is a decided bonus as far as I'm concerned; #'s 3 and 4 are my personal red flags; and I love to put persuasion time into catagory #5, as it often pays off wonderfully in the long run.

That said, I would also agree with Fred in that there is often sucess to be had in every catagory, and I have certainly had some outstanding times with single moms. Scheduling is often difficult, but the pent-up demand for a solid pounding always makes up for it.

[FredMoore]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

Nice summary HC Ahh, to be 40 again! These HCGs who are willing to date you for no allowance, how long do they last? Are they one and done or do you have to kick them to the curb? Do you date IRL? Or do you only date SBs?

I have learned that rules are only to be broken. But I have found for me that:

1) 24 to 28 yr old single college grads work best. Preferably the 8's,which I upgrade because of performance.

2) dancers, strippers, beautiful girls / models are GPS or UTRs.

3) single mothers are too difficult to maneuver with due to scheduling and babysitting.

4) teens are too schizoid and either unrealistic or Pros.

5) over 30 don't appeal to me.

Having said that I have had success with almost every category, but loads of failures. My search age is 18 to 29 The best 1 niter was 19 ,the best long termer was 28.

[Member #4103]

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

[LandonR]

Question for the gallery. How do you typically portray yourself to the babies? It's obvious that a number of these girls are attracted to wealth, power, perceived status, and other superficial things. Do you exagerate your networth, net income? What do you tell them you do for an occupation if you are really a mid level manager toiling away in corporate american. Curious if I should play into what these girls want and pretend to be a little more than what I am or if I should be 100% real as can be.

Also as a caveat, for the most part I'm looking for 1. 3 times and then moving onto the next baby. Not looking to get locked into anyone for a long term situation.

I'll hang up and listen.

[Revvo]

So I am high as a kite. Just got done with a M&G from a really nice POT. I have not been actively looking but I ran across this nice simple profile. The POT was 5'3" normal body and wait for it "Colombian". So I have covered this on this site before. But Colombian women are in my opinion the best this world has to offer. They are beautiful, sexy, fun, they have great attitudes, and they are what so many POTs describe themselves as but are not "down to earth". Well she was all of these things and more. She is finishing up her LPN training.

Even though she posted no pics on her profile, I could tell this was a quality woman. Let me first say about amateurs. There are different kinds of amateurs. I always ask how they found out about the site. Usually they say they were told by a friend, which means the friend is making lots of money and they want to make lots of money also. That is a GPS warning from an amateur. They will also say I have been on the site before or had a SD before. That is less of an amateur. She is more savvy. But this one said. I was curious and thought I would check it out. She said she had needs. I love it. This is my kind of amateur. Fresh and needing to be fucked.

So we started texting and she was very shy but cool. I was going to really need to take my time with her. Then we moved to the phone. Even better. What a sweet little sexy voice with that thick accent. I could get hard just talking to her. Then she sent me the pics. Nothing too risque but one was in her undies. Wow beautiful. I really really like her look. And I always look for quality and that connection. Let me tell you after my run ins with that crazy Russian UTR below. This was so pleasant. She was not demanding or vulgar or rude. She was sweet, intelligent, thoughtfulcute, fun, sexy, and willing to ride along on our adventure. Love it. So far.

She is gorgeous in the face, really nice hair and nails. Very well kept from head to toe. A little thick but as I have said before. I do not prefer thick women it usually is another way of saying fat. But she is thick in a good way. Large curvy ass, but no fat and a really flat stomach. And man what a set of titties. Can't wait to get into them. I am giving her a 9.5/8/10/? So far. We met she was on time and she agreed she needed to take it slow. And I did not have a problem with this since my other three were keeping me busy. But I must say I am having some issues. My Brazilian baby has gone dark, and my girl next door is way over swamped with work and schedule issues. So I have a little time on my hands. I am only servicing my Venezuelan baby right now.

The meeting was at a Starbucks and we Sat. And talked outside. She was very responsive and I escalated touching a lot and she reciprocated. Great sign. She asked lots of questions and she responded well to my flirtatious comments. Latin and especially Colombian women are so naturally sexual and uninhibited. She let me know that she was very shy at first but gets wild once she gets to know me. She has a killer ass. And she was wearing the tightest white jeans. OMG they look like they were spray painted on. And the smile and the little laugh. So fucking sexy. She was so sensual so feminine. No games or bullshit.

Anyway we went across the street for lunch after Starbucks and she called her Mom to let her know she was extending the visit. Then we had lunch and talked expectations and schedules. She was completely on board. But I will have to work this slow. No problem. We are meeting again on Tuesday. We had the greatest kiss, which she was really ready for since I did not have to lean in too far for she came the rest of the way to me. I think she is getting ready for a good stiff dick.

Awesome time. Even if it ended now it was a great connection. There is something so much easier and less forced and more natural about Colombian women.

Oh by the way. On the other issue below. I got tested and I am negative on all 8 STDs. Wife just has her first ever yeast infection. She went to doctor and he is treating it as so. I hear I could still have Trich but I have no symptoms. Is that possible?

Revvo.

[BuckDancer]

So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are! Some dudes just deserve to get caught.

[Pats Fan1]

So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF

[FredMoore]

Met the POT #1 I alluded to earlier. Was 7/7/7/6 with a lot of drama. The CPO was $100 with her own FC but I did not go prepared because of time constraints. I just wanted to check her out. But she turned out to want to do the deed so we did. Only after did we discuss allowance since she was paranoid about LE entrapment. Well I offered $ for that experience to be paid later and the same going forward. The problem is she bugged the crap out of me to pay now, basically blew up my phone. I paid as I promised and now she is all happy wanting to meet regularly. I might keep her on tap as a booty call only. She is definitely not SB quality by my standards. On the plus side, perhaps she will settle down now that she knows I won't screw her, weeeell money wise. And I save $250/ pop compared to my ATF to deposit a load. There will not be an E connection here though.