"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Set up a new account and tested multiple browsers. Chrome is lightning fast. The number of fakes and gold diggers messaging me is hilarious. Targeting the new guy. LOL.

So far only one real message and that was from a girl with no pic (you figure out why). Her profile says she likes to cook. I forgot what it was like to be a newbie on there. I guess I will have to wait about a week to get past the gold rush.

[HappyHunter44]

Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re Me

Hey, I still would like to be in your shoes for just one day. Working on it.

[FredMoore]

Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re Me

[Walruscl]

Again, with the caveat that I don't recommend anybody be as reckless as me.

An amazing 24 hours have come to pass. Circumstances led to my SB / Mistress to be in the next city closer to me for an appointment, and also with two days off from work. Somehow my devious mind got unusually creative, and a wonderful plan was hatched.

So the day before, I booked a room in a next-step-up hotel on Expedia, and picked her up from her appt that morning. Miracles sometimes occur, and I was able to get into the room by 11:00. Which led to four hours of sheer bliss. Damn she's an amazing kisser and cuddler, never mind the fact that she thanked me for what she called "the most amazing orgasm ever". Note to self: never do an overnight in a hotel with her, because she's *loud* when she's in the midst of multiple orgasms. At least during the day the worst that happens is we provide impromptu entertainment for the cleaning staff.

By mid-afternoon I had to get back to the ranch, so I dropped her off at the walking-distance mall so she could get a bite, and let her have the room to herself for the night. Besides being close to a bunch of stuff, there's a pool and hot tub in the hotel, of which she took full advantage. (remember our younger days when staying at a hotel was fun?) She luxuriated in an evening with little to do but soak and start a reading a book I gave her earlier, and enjoy a much better night's sleep than her usual accommodations.

Mid-morning I rejoined, and we made the most of every minute before noon check-out. I've been helping her out with some life-improvement issues, and so we took care of that after lunch and I dropped her back off at home mid-afternoon.

What's curious is that the most rewarding part of all this was giving her a little mini-vacation, and hearing the snippets of her evening over texts. She was just so damned appreciative, you'd think she was getting the royalty treatment. Talk about win-win: she got a break from her boxed-in life, and I basked in two days in a row of her wonderful company.

So yeah, yet another rule broken-never leave a SB alone in the hotel room. But this was after trashing the rule of "never break deep cover", and at this point the trust level is pretty high.

What a mind-blowing experience this is.

With all due credit to Revvo-be more careful than me out there.

[Revvo]

Well I have been under the radar for a while. I took some badly needed rest. And caught up on some badly needed work. I was told by several very cool and smart brothers on here to slow it down. Take a break. And so I did. I stopped sending so many letters out and then stopped sending them out altogether. It helped me relax and gain a better sense of perspective. And also taught me to be less frantic in my pursuits. So much has happened. Game has definitely gotten better. Let's review shall we.

REVVO_ATF: Still my little Asian honey. Not seeing her too much because of our schedules. But parting is such sweet sorrow. But not as sweet as when we get back together and she wraps her little hands and mouth around my cock. Always trying to please and taking everything I can give her. Even though we see each other infrequently she wears a little ring on her finger to tell other guys to stay away. So considerate. Still a 9/8/8/10 great in bed and ready to be with me whenever we can. No drama whatsoever. Schedule is always tough though. Since she works in NY half the time.

REVVO_POT1:So this was a big bust. Took this one in the shorts. Supposed to be a fly-in and it was a no go. Lost money on ticket. But it wasn't huge. I give up on the flyin thing too many scams. See it happens to experienced SD's also. Besides there are plenty of cute girls in my are. Which is Florida. Why fly someone in. I am plugging a new one in here. She is a 37 yo white MILF with a real job and educated. Blond hair green eyes very cute and maybe a little too serious. She was off the site within 24 hours but I got her. Very very normal. Talks a lot but is sweet and genuine. I give her a 8/9/8. I met her and we had a great first date just like a couple of regular people. I worked her good and she was good to go. She would not however go to the FC. She has a rule about fucking on the first date. She is not very expressive but I can tell she really likes me. Do need to work on her affection a little. We did some great kissing and making out. Awesome titties and a killer ass, a little bit of a belly but she looked really good in a mini dress. She definitely turned heads. We are all set for the FC for Tuesday evening.

REVVO_POT2: So I am plugging a new one in here. This one I met on the site and had a very short message to her and got an instant response back. Absoutley beautiful. I give her a 10/9/9? And we chatted and talked on the phone. By the way talking on the phone is critical to qualifying. But evidently I did not qualify well enough. She was willing to drive up to me to meet. Very normal seeming good personality. About 23 YO white, sexy full lips big green eyes. Could really hold a conversation told me that she had a SD before and turned into a fiancé and she split with him. So we progressed to the meet and greet and even better looking in person. Looks a lot like Penelope Cruz, in fact she said that was her nickname when younger. She complimented me a lot and we had a great lunch. Two mistakes I did not escalate quickly enough. And two I talked about goldiggers from my past. Come to find out she had a few SD's mostly European and they were paying her up to $2k per visit! Some not even to fuck. Big problem. So we had a pleasant time and scheduled our next meet. But I could tell it was over. She was driving a Mercedes and was using the site to live a very good life. We never even talked money but we both knew it was not going to work. This was her business. If it was normal dating I could have gotten her. But she has to pay the bills.

REVVO_POT3:Since I did fuck her once I will make her REVVO_SB7 and categorize her as a booty call baby. But probably will not call her again. I have a new POT here I just met her online using a very short email again. Seems to work better with the younger more blunt types. She is blond blue eyed. Seems to have a good personality. The chemistry was instant. She is educated intelligent, has some tats. I give her so far 8/8/10? And she is very blunt on the site about what she wants and doesn't want. I think I may have a winner here. But I have been fooled many times. She is very sexualy expressive and communicative. Got some nice pics back. Wow what an ass! I am going to be all over this shit. I have squeezed her in for next Tuesday for a M&G. She has her own apartment so I believe she can host also. No talk about money and no drama. And maybe the best thing. She is really into me already. More to come on this one.

REVVO_POT4: This one was from a while back that finally responded to me. She is interesting and frustrating but may just end up being worth it. Very cute girl next door type. 24 YO white. 5'3'very strong body, cute face extremely active and athletic. I give her a 8/9/8? For now. We will see. Having a hard time meeting. She works a lot. But she communicates well and has had to back out of one meeting and then got into a bad car crash before the 2nd one. But she still wants to see me and we are scheduled for a M&G tomorrow. Lots of talking on the phone and texting. She has expressed great desire to see me. And is reminding me about our M&G tomorrow. But I am always keeping my eye out for cold feet. As usual we shall see. But she has her own good job and apartment and would not have to worry about hotels with her.

There were other POTs but nothing really happened and I can only write so much. HAHA.

REVVO_SB1:Literally have not heard from her for two months. Until today she texted me and of course she is patiently waiting for me to come and fuck her and let her suck my dick. I am going to try to squeeze her in next week. May not happen. But I will try. 31 YO white blond. 7/8/9/9 very orgasmic and very horny.

REVVO_SB2:Plugging a new one in here. This went from 0 to 60 really quick. In three days. A cute 23 YO brown Brazilian princess. So full of fun and life a bartender and has worked at Tilted Kilt and is now at another restaurant. I give her a 7/8/9/10 boy could she fuck. This is a very sensuous, feminine, sexual woman. We chatted we talked on the phone we had great chemistry. Then we finally met and had drinks at a nice bar. It was instant attraction. Very sexy young woman. We ended up all over each other. And got a hotel. We got there late at night and fucked like rabbits. Slept in each others arms. She is a world class snuggler. Very very important. Lots of hugs and kisses and cuddles. And I will never forget as soon as I got naked standing there with my hard on and her looking up at me with those big dark Brazilian eyes and saying innocently, put it in my mouth. Then she eagerly blew me like a master. It was a great experience. Man what a juicy pussy and so responsive, she would quiver when you touched it. I never paid her anything. Since she was such an amateur and we never settled on anything. I will be fucking her tomorrow afternoon and will bring some nice gifts this time. So far no drama and absolutely no talk of money. Plus she has her own apartment with a gay roommate. Just a matter of time before I can partake saving lodging costs.

REVVO_SB3: This was one I contacted way back in May and she popped back up. She is an AA from Morroco, and very cute and nice body. We chatted online for a few weeks and finally I picked her up this week and we went out and had dinner and then the FC. Looked better in the pics but I will give her a 8/7/5/5. She just did not have the personality I had to do all of the talking and all just about everything else. She never put her phone down and said very little. Not very affectionate. But she was juicy and orgasmic. And I only popped once. Just was not into doing all of the work. She told me I was her third man ever. She was so week I only gave her 150. I usually donate 200. She wants to get together again and I can use her as a booty call baby but I probably won't. We shall see.

REVVO_SB4: My little Colombian princess. We had 1 wonderful fuck session since I last reported. And fell exhausted in each others arms sleeping to the rain outside. So cozy. Three pops and many orgasms. She left me exhausted and covered with coconut oil. A great lube and massage oil which she applied all over my body. She is very sexy but just a terrible communicator. She will probably fade out. Let's see if I hear from her this week. Shall we.

REVVO_SB5: My little European baby is always there for me ready to please. We have had a few encounters and they all have been good. 27 YO White blue eyed bruenette slim and tall, she is a 8/8/10/7. But she will do anything I want. So we have eagerly fucked a couple of times and she always patiently waits for me even if it is for a couple of weeks. She wanted to surprise me with a present so she did some sexy photos with a professional photographer and it has turned into a little bit of a career for her. She is getting multiple experienced professionals asking to work with her. And is already talking about paid jobs and an agent. She has a very European different look and she is in really good shape. Plus like I already know she is really easy to work with. Not like some of these vacuous stuck up privileged bimbos. She may make some money at this. Photos look really good.

That's it for this week. We will keep plugging. Membership has expired. I see no reason to renew for quite a while. In fact I haven't sent out any real emails in a week. And its been about 3 weeks since I really hit it hard. Lots of work. And lots of current pussy to service as it is. Several of these girls are like genuine girlfriends and will be happy with just gifts and no money. I may even wean the other girls off of money also. They have to go anyway. I may just ask each of them to keep seeing them without paying and see which ones stay. I can't keep up this many girls. Three at the most at expenses only may be my ideal situation.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

[FredMoore]

More than once the young girls (under 24) have told me that boys their age are not interested in pleasuring their partners, but want their nut on demand.

What the older guys offer is a sensitivity to the SB's need for satisfaction, ability to delay ejaculation, and a knowledge of female anatomy and physiology. It doesn't hurt that the older men probably have more available funds for the hobby.

[Graham1]

My original strategy was always M&G with FC optional until second date. That is not a winning strategy. Agree close the deal as fast as possible, hold the line on sugar and plow forward. I have lost several POT when M&G and second date were just too far apart. At least I think that is why.

Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

[FredMoore]

Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

[HollywoodGuy]

May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

If you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magi.../dp/1904424112

[Revvo]

Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[SubCmdr]

I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

And in this forum, the majority of men here have wives and girlfriends, where they are talking about the best ways to cheat on their partners with women they pay to fuck them is building the overall health and strength of relationships and family.

Is this what this forum has deteriorated too in my absence?

I've had the porn discussion with my ATF. We both like the same kind (interracial: specifically black men fucking white women). When she was with one of her ATF's she had him take a picture (non-sexual) and she sent it to me. I joked that next time take one of them while they were having sex and send it. She asked me if I would really want to see something like that. I said yes. Hey I'm kinky like that. That is when she commented that she like interracial porn. But would not want to see me with another women.

SubCmdr

[BikeRider]

I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

There won't be a "happy medium" as you put it. She'll keep asking for more until you walk away or make it clear she's not to ask for more.

You need to make it clear to her in a firm, non-negotiating manner that she gets $ (or what ever you've previously agreed) per meeting and no more. If you're afraid to walk away, you've lost any and all negotiating strength.

[Just757]

I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo

Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

[FredMoore]

I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

[HollywoodGuy]

Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

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Just dropped off this one. Saw her 3 times within the last 7 days for $$$ all expenses included. She certainly likes sex but her skills are not all that. This one will have to go to booty call status. I can easily keep her at $ or even less but it's time to do some more interviewing. I have re-evaluated her as a 7/8.5/8/7

She is definitely a FT college student but probably a UTR girl in training as I see she has been on the site everyday for the last few days. And along with some of her behavior a bit suspicious. No big deal, just an observation.