"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[MJehl]

Welcome to the Bowl MoJo! We all look forward to hearing about your experiences. You will screw up guaranteed, but the important thing is to keep the errors to a non terminal level. As we all say, read the entire text of this thread 2 times, then read it twice more and you will avoid many of the problems we have encountered in our journey.

I assume you are Married and older? (or have a SO)

Playing in your home pond is extremely risky if you want to go out and entertain these Babies. The non Pros want to be wined and dined, taken shopping, etc. You need to have plausible deniability if you are spotted. But it is hard if you are older than the baby by 10 yrs or more. (40 in my case) , especially if you are holding hands, smooching, and acting silly. I would advise against dating closer than 60 miles so that your homies won't pop over for dinner out. Some guys in bigger markets can get away with it, like Chicago, NYNY, Boston, DC. But still. I ran into a next door neighbor in London a few years ago. What if I was squiring a 20 yr old Babe around? Busted!

Watch out for Nando 1s. If they are desperate enough they could be a nightmare for you. If they want gas money, babysitter fees, etc this can add up, so by the time you cover that plus a hotel you are already out $100+ and the Baby hasn't even gotten her taste yet. You also have to factor in dinner and drinkls, and your gas if you are traveling. It is not a cheap hobby.

A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away. 5) get a burner immediately. 6) be realistic budgeting all the expenses, not just her sugar. And finally, read the thread.

Good luck and as Scotty says, don't forget to write.

Thanks for the advice, bro-mongers.

Yes I am married and in my early forties. I love my SO but just not physically attracted to her anymore. She never lost that pregnancy weight and its been seven years. Its great for her when we have sex because I last so long and she has multi O's but not so much for me. I love my SO hut I just don't want to have sex with her. Oxymoron, eh? Am I all alone on this boat?

I work second shift and have the mornings til 2pm to monger so that doesn't leave me the option of long distance mongering. I am shooting for 1 and half hour radius at max. I must be asanine and insane to play so close to fire but that's where it is the warmest. I am from Brew-town so I should have enough of a playground. I like that there are two major colleges and four minor ones located within the county. If ya'll have any specific strategies or advice. I am all ears.

UPDATE.

POT#1 Swf is shaping to be a Nando1. She flaked an hour before the meet with an email saying she overslept. Not buying it. Will have to let this one go I think. She has been emailimg like crazy to make it up but with long periods of silence in between. I am thinking drugs. Will have to ask her.

POT#2 SULTRY blonde blakelively has been texting well and have set up MnG coffee for Monday. She is an hour away but I have cousins galore there so I have a cover story ready just in case. Its not foolproof but will pass almost all inspection. I digress but PM me for details if interested. We seem to have a lot in common and she really wants to learn new things. Keeping my fingers crossed and buying condoms.

POT#3 IRISH HCB is also a nanny. Lots of emailing and really is intelligent and determined. We also have a lot to talk about and am in the process ofscheduling a meet. Her profile says 'curvy' so I am tempering my expectations. I am having her send me a full body pic. Question. When is ir a good time to send out my picture to them? I am no slug but neither am I a model. Think "Bollo" from Enter the Dragon.

POT#4 SWF blonde tall and slim with tattoos. Sent me a bikini pic and she has a toned body with C cups and a tight ass. 8/10/8 for now. She is a waitress and has her days free. Good coincidence! We have been emailing and meet is set for next Thursday.

What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?

I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one

Take care and have fun,

MoJo

[GeorgeRichmond]

Old topic. But some update. I called one hotel for my a future meeting with a SB, in another city. I didn't want to disclose my real name and it is a pretty high end hotel. So I told them specifically, I want to use my business name (told them to use SD name) on reservation. Just my preference and that is what need to be reflected. Bingo: I got reservation under than name. So let's see how it goes.

So my so called SD name is reflected. On reservation. And hopefully that works. Yes, my credit card went through with real name. (spelled last name little differently, like added extra letter) and so far so good. Let's see how this trip goes. I never done this. 1-2 day out with SB. Still several things to worry. Like rental car and other things like food. But this is all inclusive. If they use my SD name. To call me. In the hotel I am still covered.

Google voice, txt. Still working like charm. Have not tried to get a burner phone but might do it.

More to come.

[HappyHunter44]

A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away.

Wow, great summary of essential "save your a*" criteria. Thanks. Hope to have something to report soon.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, well, I met POT yesterday, had coffee, lunch and then went to movie. There was some hesitation of going to room. But after 5-10 mins discussion, she was ok. SB- SWF. 20 (going to be 21 next month), found out that she is dancer. I didn't know until that time. In the room. But very attractive, little more than average size but 5, 10" like the height, all natural-Ds. Well, my little-head couldn't wait. And we moved forward. Good night but no oral and ok kissing. She said, not much into kissing. Well. It was 2 hour drive, worth driving, little high on damage. But no regret. Will have to think about next meet.

[FredMoore]

I am a noob monger and have been reading the forum for about a month now. First, I would like to say "thank you" to all different those who have posted. I will try to learn from your past errors but cannot guarantee that I still won't screw up at times.

I have sent out about 20 emails and got back about 7 replies. After trimming off the fat, I have the following.

POT#1 is a reply to a CL post. She is a SWF 21yrs 5'6" 125lbs blonde with blue eyes. Her picture is plain but she does have potential to be a beauty. I think she is a Nando1? She has just moved into the area recently and is pushing to meet soon. She agreed to $ per visit 1-2 times a week. I think she is hard up for funds at the moment. But don't know what her story ia yet. Set a MnG for tomorrow lunch. She has asked for $30 for gas money when we meet. Face body attitude skills 8/9/6?

POT#2 is a SWF 21yrs 5'5" slim brunette / blonde. She is a dead ringer for BlakeLively. Sultry smile and flowing hair. I am a sucker for long hair. From her profile she seems to want a mentor / gf type of relationship. She is currently a waitress but would like to move up in life. I have set up a MnG for Monday coffee. She is 1hr away but I have many cousins and friends scattered throughout the area. I have to be careful. I am a noob but I have high hopes for this one. I already broke code and have started texting her with my phone. I know. I need to get a disposable. First on my list after I aquire more funds. 9/9/9?

POT#3 is a SWF HCB 22yrs curvy (chubby?) Redhead Irish / Sicilian mix. She goes to college in my city so I need to be extra careful of where we go. We are just emailing at this point but she seems friendly and willing. I hope to set up a meeting in a few days. 7/7/8?

That is all for now. Critique anyone?

MoJo

Welcome to the Bowl MoJo! We all look forward to hearing about your experiences. You will screw up guaranteed, but the important thing is to keep the errors to a non terminal level. As we all say, read the entire text of this thread 2 times, then read it twice more and you will avoid many of the problems we have encountered in our journey.

I assume you are Married and older? (or have a SO)

Playing in your home pond is extremely risky if you want to go out and entertain these Babies. The non Pros want to be wined and dined, taken shopping, etc. You need to have plausible deniability if you are spotted. But it is hard if you are older than the baby by 10 yrs or more. (40 in my case) , especially if you are holding hands, smooching, and acting silly. I would advise against dating closer than 60 miles so that your homies won't pop over for dinner out. Some guys in bigger markets can get away with it, like Chicago, NYNY, Boston, DC. But still. I ran into a next door neighbor in London a few years ago. What if I was squiring a 20 yr old Babe around? Busted!

Watch out for Nando 1s. If they are desperate enough they could be a nightmare for you. If they want gas money, babysitter fees, etc this can add up, so by the time you cover that plus a hotel you are already out $100+ and the Baby hasn't even gotten her taste yet. You also have to factor in dinner and drinkls, and your gas if you are traveling. It is not a cheap hobby.

A few recommendations : 1) date a girl with a job. 2) no kids in the home. 3) has her own private residence. 4) lives 1 to 1 1/2 hours away. 5) get a burner immediately. 6) be realistic budgeting all the expenses, not just her sugar. And finally, read the thread.

Good luck and as Scotty says, don't forget to write.

[F Scott]

Brothers,

I am on vacation in SC, and am enjoying myself immensely gazing with interest at all the fine, fine pussy there is to be seen. With the family, so I am on my best behavior, but it is fun to see a hot baby and wonder / imagine what it would be like! It adds a whole new dimension to a voyeuristic pursuit.

Keep up the good work, and great to see some new members posting up.

Peace,

Scott

[Dsprdo]

This week brought a flurry of activity for me, and none positive. I had lots of Pots this week, including a couple of "residuals" as described earlier, and converted none. In addition, there is unrest with my active SB's; and I may soon be back at square one. The rundown:

SB1. My Asian-American girl has been my recent favorite, despite not sizzling when it comes to sex. She is beautiful, funny and a great date and I thought the sex was improving. Lately she has been busy a lot, I suspect she may have found another SD and is juggling the both of us. I could be okay with that if my time was not suffering, but it is. I will see her tomorrow and if this trend is not changed I will consider cutting her loose.

SB2. Tattoo baby has a personal health issue that is significant and she is rightly focused on dealing with it. I can only wish her well.

SB3. My booty call girl is still around, just not of the caliber to be a "Quality SB".

POT1 is a 26 year old white spinner. 6/9/3. Her profile picture wasn't clear on the face but featured a rocking hard spinner body, just what I am looking for. We emailed for a few days and the attitude seemed much better than the 3 I have assigned now, and we discussed a potential weekly arrangement for $$ for 2-3 meetings. After a bit a M&G was set for Sunday evening. I drove 45 minutes to see her and had to detour to pick her up walking from her apartment at the last minute when she texted to say she didn't have a ride to the agreed upon location. I was disappointed with the appearance, particular some very poor dental work, but was willing to look past it at first. We went to a local place for a drink, and she was all over the place. She was obviously uncomfortable and kind of abruptly decide she was ready to leave the restaurant and have me drive her home. Once in the car she calmed down a bit and I got the conversation back on track. She said that she would be open to meeting a couple of times a week, and asked what I was willing to do per visit. Based on our previous conversation I said $ per visit. She was obviously unhappy and so I dropped he off. Later that night she texted that I made her feel like a cheap hooker. I responded with an apology, wished her well and deleted her number. Two days later she texted me again and said she was over it. I asked if she was sure and she replied she was over the insult and would be willing to meet again, but without anything physical. I said that I would be happy to meet her for dinner or drinks again, no sex and no sugar, to allow her to get comfortable. Her response was that she needed financial assistance right away and we would see about anything else down the road. Her number has now been deleted permanently.

POT2 is 22 years old, white 8/7/8. This was my most promising POT. She told me that this was her first venture in the sugar world, had been on a few meetings but had not met anyone promising till me. We had a good M&G with easy conversation, and by the end she had agreed to the FC and it seemed like we had a good connection. I asked her about her bills, which were modest. We agreed to meet again soon without finalizing the sugar discussion, which turned out to be a mistake on my part. I had asked how she was introduced to this and she told me that her roommate had a SD and had encouraged her to give it a try. When I got home she texted me that she had a great time, wanted to meet again soon, and oh by the way how much could I offer? I asked if she was okay with a per visit arrangement and her initial response was okay. I offered $ per visit, twice a week, which would cover the rent and phone bill she had talked about. There was a delay and then she pushed back that she needed 1k per month, so I suggested $.25 a visit. Another delay, then a request that I give her an allowance of 500, twice a month. I suspect that she was being coached by the roomie while forumlating her responses. I thought about it and told her I was not comfortable with that to start, hoping she would meet compromise, but radio silence since then. She may still come back, but I am considering this a loss.

POT3 is also 22, white. 6/6/8. This was an issue of old pics. Texted for over a week until we finally set up the M&G. At the restaurant I estimated her to be at least 20 lbs heavier than when her photos were taken. She is not obese, just definitely heavier than I prefer. She mentioned in passing that another person she met had offended her by asking how old her pictures were and commenting on the change in her weight. After we ate we sat in my car for a few minutes and kissed, and I am pretty sure that she was very ready to go right then, but I had a later commitment. I told her I would be in touch. She texted later and indicated she was okay with a per visit arrangement. I wasn't sure if I was interested at all, but responded with $ based on her kissing ability. She came back with an expectation of $$, so I thanked her and passed.

POT4 is 26, white. 7/7/8. We emailed briefly and then her communication choice was to talk, so we had phone conversations for a few ays. She was very bubbly and upbeat. We set a M&G for lunch, met and had a nice time, though once again the pics were old and there had been some weight gain. During the course of our conversation she made several comments that indicated to me that she might not be open to the physical part of the arrangement, mentioning how "inappropriate" many of the texts or emails she received were. I decided to let it play out for a while rather than address it then. She asked if I was okay with 'helping with the bills", and I assured her I was. After our meeting she called me and was insistent on setting a time for another date, and suggested that she come to my place to make dinner together and hang at the pool. I thought that was a good sign and agreed, planning to cover the allowance topic in person this time when she came over. I also thought that if she came to my place it was a pretty good indication that she was open to sex. The day we were to get together, she texted me asking for about $$$$ for a couple of bills that were coming due. I responded and asked what she had in mind for help with her bills going forward and how often she planned on getting together (basically, should I expect to get hit for that kind of cash every time I saw her). She hemmed and hawed and finally suggested I help her out with these bills as a friend and we would work the details out later. I told her I needed to think things through and that I thought it would be best if we rescheduled. Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.

All in all, a very frustrating week!

[MJehl]

I am a noob monger and have been reading the forum for about a month now. First, I would like to say "thank you" to all different those who have posted. I will try to learn from your past errors but cannot guarantee that I still won't screw up at times.

I have sent out about 20 emails and got back about 7 replies. After trimming off the fat, I have the following.

POT#1 is a reply to a CL post. She is a SWF 21yrs 5'6" 125lbs blonde with blue eyes. Her picture is plain but she does have potential to be a beauty. I think she is a Nando1? She has just moved into the area recently and is pushing to meet soon. She agreed to $ per visit 1-2 times a week. I think she is hard up for funds at the moment. But don't know what her story ia yet. Set a MnG for tomorrow lunch. She has asked for $30 for gas money when we meet. Face body attitude skills 8/9/6?

POT#2 is a SWF 21yrs 5'5" slim brunette / blonde. She is a dead ringer for BlakeLively. Sultry smile and flowing hair. I am a sucker for long hair. From her profile she seems to want a mentor / gf type of relationship. She is currently a waitress but would like to move up in life. I have set up a MnG for Monday coffee. She is 1hr away but I have many cousins and friends scattered throughout the area. I have to be careful. I am a noob but I have high hopes for this one. I already broke code and have started texting her with my phone. I know. I need to get a disposable. First on my list after I aquire more funds. 9/9/9?

POT#3 is a SWF HCB 22yrs curvy (chubby?) Redhead Irish / Sicilian mix. She goes to college in my city so I need to be extra careful of where we go. We are just emailing at this point but she seems friendly and willing. I hope to set up a meeting in a few days. 7/7/8?

That is all for now. Critique anyone?

MoJo

[FredMoore]

Well, all of a sudden Pots are coming out of the woodwork! It is good and bad. I know we all are looking for that new taste of honey different from the same-ole-same.ole, but I have a comfort level ($$) with 2 regulars who are a good little drive out of town. I feel safe going out in public 1 1/2 hrs away and they take care of business.

Now just this week I have 3 very realistic Pots who seem motivated and one new SB. Both my regulars flaked on me this week for ostensibly good reasons. The problem is one I prepaid so she owes me a session before I move on to greener pastures. I know, we all advise against it but I "trust" her to make good. Stay tuned.

SB#3 (formerly Pot # whatever, I lose track)

She is my first AA 23 yr old 10/9/8/10. Wow! Now I get what Hollywood is talking about. She is quiet, shy at first, sweet, and doesn't have sex on the 1st date. Bottom line, we ended up working the sheets and she was very vocal, appreciative, and can't wait for an encore. What a body! What a kisser! She is definitely in the rotation and I may let one go.

Pot #1

Is a 20 something pregnant girl 8/8? We have a M&G for next week. I am turned on by Pregnant girls, especially if they can give up a little breast milk during the exercise portion of the session. We will see if this bears fruit.

Pot #2

Was #1 a 10/10 Asian HCG who is looking like she won't be available when I need her to be. Too Bad because I could see her as an ATF candidate.

Pot #3

Is a beautiful 28 yr old blonde in my area, so it's a little sketchy having one so close to ground zero. Plus she would be the 4th in an active rotation of 3. Preg Pot would make 5 and I definitely can't sustain that long term $ wise.

So life is good for the moment. A good reason to keep extras on tap is that they seem to flake on moments notice so you always have someone to take up the slack.

The take home message for guys having a dry spell is that we all do, then it rains. It is the nature of the business.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have not got that far yet, but will do the same. Thanks.

You will. LOL. And then tell us all about it. Actually I have done a few m&g's in the parking lot. Only been turned down once that I can remember. I remember because she had agreed to the $ and then said it was $$$. So I passed after driving 37 miles. Next she talks her way into my house a few weeks later. Says its $$. I did some making out and it was dead. Nothing worse than a hot girl with awesome lips that can't kiss. Sent her on her way. Next a few more weeks go by and she says ok to the $. But the lackluster kissing killed it for me. She looked like Beyonce. No shit.

[HappyHunter44]

I never pay for the motel until we are in agreement in the parking lot outside.

I have not got that far yet, but will do the same. Thanks.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Qn: Should I ask SB what they want as allowance or should I set my offer upfront?

I had a nice meet-and-greet with a good SB today. Lunch went well. There was no plan afterward as it was just M&G. At the end I asked the POT to send me expectation via email. It was double my offering. Didn't realize in my local area, comparatively small town, allowances are going upto 1k per meet. Uhh. I am either earning less or something is wrong with the market. Well. Even in DC, the asking are not that level. Anyway, I said thank you and putforward my offering. That's it.

Not many POTs. But still looking. My old pot is there as backup but want to see non MILF for once. Will keep posted. I need to learn about allowance offering and making attractive.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ditto. My POT life in a nutshell. I must thank all the seniors who posted before in getting me ready for such behavior. I made sure I sent confirmation emails, no sugar before FC, and held a serious deep cover. The confirmation email is key because it does save a trip and paying for the FC. A big money-saver!

I never pay for the motel until we are in agreement in the parking lot outside.

[EasyGoingJ]

Hello brothers, I'm afraid I fall into the category of lurker, I read here regularly but haven't posted much because I haven't felt I had anything useful to add. I'm in " C'ville " and am happy to exchange or share any info or perspective, long time in the bowl, just not very active now. Anybody in the area please get in touch and hopefully something good will come along to share.

Thanks

[HappyHunter44]

So the theme of this board the past couple of days is 'flake'. In the interest of keeping my post on topic, I am happy to report that this Pot turns out to be a flake.

We were supposed to meet today at noon. Yesterday morning we were still texting like crazy. By late afternoon, she stopped responding to texts. This morning, no response whatsoever from my texts and voicemail. She went completely silence about 18 hours before our date.

I will lay low and check back with her in a week to see what happened to her.

Ditto. My POT life in a nutshell. I must thank all the seniors who posted before in getting me ready for such behavior. I made sure I sent confirmation emails, no sugar before FC, and held a serious deep cover. The confirmation email is key because it does save a trip and paying for the FC. A big money-saver!